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Yavin4

(35,453 posts)
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 07:31 PM Mar 2021

The responsibility of Sen. Joe Manchin to make bi-partisanship work.

Unlike most of his fellow Democrats, Sen. Manchin is a strong believer in forging bi-partisan consensus with Republicans on major initiatives like voting rights and infrastructure. Also, he wants to maintain the filibuster as well. He believes in the traditional rules of the senate.

Fine. Then it's up to him, and him alone, to find and forge Republican support. He has to demonstrate to the world that bi-partisanship is indeed possible and that Republicans really do want to help govern this nation. He has to prove that.

If he fails to do so, then he's just a tool for Republican obstructionism. So, instead of peppering him with questions about the filibuster, ask him directly what he's doing to garner Republican support.

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The responsibility of Sen. Joe Manchin to make bi-partisanship work. (Original Post) Yavin4 Mar 2021 OP
Nope. TwilightZone Mar 2021 #1
Yeh, sure NoRethugFriends Mar 2021 #2
All the more reason for filibuster reform... regnaD kciN Mar 2021 #5
Democrats in the House, the Sentate, and President Biden himself have all reached the conclusion Yavin4 Mar 2021 #3
I would love to think that we could get 10 GOP votes in the Senate for this dsc Mar 2021 #6
Yes, put the pressure on him to show results or get on the side of what's possible. brush Mar 2021 #4

TwilightZone

(25,508 posts)
1. Nope.
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 07:35 PM
Mar 2021

Stomping our feet like little kids and proclaiming that no one but Manchin should try to forge alliances or work with Republicans is silly and counterproductive.

It would make more sense to try to find ways to get Romney, Collins, and/or Murkowski, etc., on board with major legislation even if it involves, *GASP*, discussion and compromise.

NoRethugFriends

(2,349 posts)
2. Yeh, sure
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 07:45 PM
Mar 2021

You know you need 60 votes for cloture, not 53, right.
There are not 10 anywhere near reasonable Rethuglicans

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
5. All the more reason for filibuster reform...
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 09:12 PM
Mar 2021

There aren't the votes needed to abolish it, but we'll see how much those 50 or 47 or whatever Republicans feel like obstructing everything if doing so means they have to sleep on cots in the Capitol hallways and wear Depends while speaking for hours. My guess is that they'll suddenly find that obstruction should only be limited to a few high-profile gestures.

Yavin4

(35,453 posts)
3. Democrats in the House, the Sentate, and President Biden himself have all reached the conclusion
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 09:04 PM
Mar 2021

that the Republicans do not want to co-govern with the Democrats on anything, and they're correct. Only Joe Manchin thinks the opposite.

So, if you think the opposite, then it's up to you to bring Republicans to the table in good faith. Find the 10 Senate Republicans who want to co-write important legislation.

Also, your phrase here, Stomping our feet like little kids, is an example of using a pejorative to win an argument, but it fails. Democrats are not being immature, rather they're being rational.

If you and Joe Manchin actually believe that there are 10 Republicans that want to co-govern, then he needs to produce them.

dsc

(52,172 posts)
6. I would love to think that we could get 10 GOP votes in the Senate for this
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 09:25 PM
Mar 2021

I would also love to wake up tomorrow and look like Brad Pitt, have Jeff Bezos' money, and have Stephen Hawking's brains. But alas and alack none of that will be happening.

brush

(53,962 posts)
4. Yes, put the pressure on him to show results or get on the side of what's possible.
Fri Mar 26, 2021, 09:04 PM
Mar 2021

He has to stop kidding himself (or acting like he thinks bi-partisanship is possible), because it's glaringly apparent that ten republican senators needed to break the filibuster aren't about to come around.

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