Residents defend Robert E. Lee High: 'Jesus himself never condemned slavery'

[Demovictory9]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/03/25/robert-e-lee-high-school-renaming-jacksonville-florida-orig-jk.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/

Residents defend Robert E. Lee High: 'Jesus himself never condemned slavery'

A school board in Jacksonville, Florida, proposed changing the name of its Robert E. Lee High School and held community hearings on the issue. Comments made in support of the name outraged many at the hearings. Source: CNN

[Behind the Aegis]

1. He never condemned homosexuality and yet...

These people are deranged.

[dhol82]

2. Not did he have anything to say about the transgendered.

Curious.

[Ms. Toad]

14. Just an FYI -

it is transgender individuals, not the transgendered. (Transgender is an adjective that describes one aspect of the individual's life.)

[dhol82]

15. My bad.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

7. Nor about abortion ... of course, there's actually ZERO historical record of anything this supposed

person ever said, documented at the time he supposedly said it.

Just stuff that people wrote 100-200 years after he died, imagining what he must've said a century or two before.

[dhol82]

16. Exactly.

And most of the Bible is taken from texts from the ensuing centuries that were translated from the Aramaic to the Greek to the Latin and then eventually to 17th century English. With adjustments made in accordance with their current times.
I keep asking people if they ever played “telephone.”

[scarytomcat]

43. and the bible has lots to say about slavery

god doesn't know owning people is bad
Same with war

[joetheman]

13. Well, let's go there: OK Wingers...what did Jesus say about adultery??? Ouch!

Trumpers banging their heads And Jesus did say we should all pay our taxes.

[Demovictory9]

19. there is a big flaw in her logic

[tblue37]

21. Or abortion.

[tikka]

3. Okay, then how about the fact that he is a traitor.

[gratuitous]

4. He never condemned abortion, either

So what's your point, Jacksonvillians? Never mind, whatever it is, it's stupid.

[Xavier Breath]

5. Communism removed Aunt Jemima?

Sweet baby Jebus.

At least there were decent people there to advocate the correct action.

[Celerity]

33. +10000000000000000

[Karadeniz]

6. Jesus didn't need a roladex of every conceivable situation. Love your neighbor as yourself, love

Your enemy. No need to itemize, dildoes.

[dalton99a]

8. Jesus never condemned waterboarding or genocide or Nazism

[Red Mountain]

11. He'd have been a big wakeboarding advocate

if the lousy Romans had shared. Those triremes were super fast.

[bahboo]

9. awful lot of wrong there.....

[RockRaven]

10. So you're tacitly admitting the cause of the Civil War and your love of Lee were about slavery???

You all used to deny both of those things. Interesting...

[Wolf Frankula]

12. Then call the teams

The Traitors.

Wolf

[KPN]

17. Pardon my French, but OMf'nG!

[Blue_true]

18. Jesus also never talked about abortion or LGBTQ people,

but that doesn’t stop the rightwing fundamentalists from invoking Jesus’ name when trying to stop women from getting an abortion, or when they want to discriminate against LGBTQ people.

[tanyev]

20. So the Israelites should have stayed in Egypt and learned to enjoy being slaves?

[pnwmom]

22. Jesus did speak for equality: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free

there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28).

Slaves used to be given abridged bibles, to leave out the parts that would make them question their status.

https://www.history.com/news/slave-bible-redacted-old-testament

[Buckeye_Democrat]

24. Jesus was often portrayed as an effeminate-looking boy...

... in the artistic depictions of him by the earliest Christians.

That was back when a fish was typically their symbol, not a cross. The cross became commonplace only after the Roman emperor, Constantine, became a Christian and he tried to force it upon others. (Constantine murdered his own son over jealousy, by the way.)

The bearded man depiction of Jesus came much later.

[Hekate]

29. This, thank you

[Takket]

23. jesus never advocated for gun ownership either.........

[Wounded Bear]

25. Phillipe said it best...

Phillipe: Sir, the truth is, I talk to God all the time, and, no offense, but He never mentioned you.

[MustLoveBeagles]

35. +1

[JCMach1]

26. Change to Harper Lee HS

It would be a nice change!

Or the JAX connection: Harris Beecher Stowe HS

[Buckeye_Democrat]

27. Jesus commanded slaves to obey their master?!

Where?!

If he's referring to something written much later by the evangelical a-hole, Paul, in Ephesians or elsewhere... well, that's not a so-called quote of Jesus.

Edit: I'm referring to the guy with the folded arms shown at around the 1:05 mark of the CNN video.

[Celerity]

31. yes, it was not a quote from jesus at all

Kevin Rudd correct on Paul's references to slavery in the Bible

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/kevin-rudd-slavery-bible/4934162

[Buckeye_Democrat]

32. I already attributed it to Paul in my post.

By the way, I'm an atheist.

So none of this gets me very "worked up", and it seems pretty crazy to me, but I read the Bible numerous times when I was a child.

So the guy attributing it to Jesus mostly bothers me for being inaccurate, at least as far as I recall.

I've also periodically delved into the ancient history of the religion, like other histories that I've examined out of curiosity.

[Celerity]

36. I was agreeing with you, and I am an atheist as well

I was just giving you the two verses

[Buckeye_Democrat]

38. Oh, okay.

Thanks!

I don't have as much respect for Paul, if that wasn't already obvious.

[Celerity]

41. The Habbakuk Commentary roasts him (and is contemporaneous of the so-called 'messiah')

It is part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

It frames him as 'the liar' and the 'wicked priests' (the other major protagonists in the Commentary) were the Pharisees (Roman collaborators)

The hypothesis is that Qumran, near Jerusalem (Qumran was the actual 'Damascus' which was never about the Syrian Damascus) was actually a Zealot (hardcore ultra strict Jewish warriors/freedom fighters) community, not at all Essene/Messianic, and that is where 'Jesus' was leading (or helping to lead) a rebellion against the Roman rule. The way the Roman system of government was set up, Paul (Saul) would NEVER have been sent to bust up a group in modern day Syria as that was an entirely different governorship. He was sent to Quran, but eventually joined them. He then was kicked out (multiple times if memory serves) for making 'Jesus' a supernatural son of a god, aka Pauline Christianity's foundation.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

42. Thank you.

You've mentioned some historical details that I might delve into someday. Various histories strike my fancy sometimes, and what you wrote seems pretty interesting!

It's hard for me to ignore it given my exposure to Christianity at an early age. Not to mention the overall impact on Western civilization.

[Hekate]

34. You are quoting Paul, not Jesus. Paul also told women to be silent in church & to be subject...

...to their husbands as their husbands were subject to God.

Whole other guy. Never even met Jesus.

By the way, you have not lived until you’ve been to a wedding where the vows are based on the words of Paul. I was at one, and all the neighbors who had watched the young man grow up (including me) were absolutely gobsmacked.

[Celerity]

37. you misunderstand, (my own fault, I will edit) I was agreeing with poster (that Jesus never

said it)

I was only providing the verses that they referenced

[Hekate]

39. Gotcha

>whew

[Celerity]

40. sorry for the short title in the original reply, I can see how it was not a clear response

[Hekate]

28. "Love your neighbor as yourself" pretty much covers that, I thought....

What idiots.

Bear in mind that White Christians were well-represented in the Abolition movement — clearly they read the Bible differently than slave-holders and segregationists.

[pnwmom]

30. Yes! nt