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Imallin4Joe

(758 posts)
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 12:59 AM Mar 2021

To Sen Joe Manchin, please join the rest of the party.

Or you sadly might find your party in the minority after 2022.

Democrats are fighting the good fight and need you. Filibuster reform. Protection of voting rights. Minimum wage reforms..

The protection of voting rights may very well decide elections in 2022.

To Sen Joe, we need you. Again, you may find yourself in the minority party after 2022 if things don't change at the federal level.

Sen Joe, join us. The other 99.99999% of us Democrats who want to inch the US forward. Protect voting rights and democracy.

To Sen Manchin, you have a chance to build the legacy of a senate hero if you would just get behind our president and support a Democratic agenda.

To Sen Manchin, join us. You won't regret it.

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BGBD

(3,282 posts)
18. This is a bad take
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:07 PM
Mar 2021

Gea actually going out of his way to not have more power.

He'd be the most powerful person in Washington if the filibuster went away.

Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

speak easy

(9,239 posts)
2. Kabuki theater - Imallin4Joe
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:20 AM
Mar 2021

What Manchin says in public does not matter. The real deals are going on behind closed doors.

Senators Klobuchar and Schumer are certain ... adamant even, that the voting rights legislation is going to pass. And they are relishing the fight.


It might be possible, might it not, that they have a better idea about how Joe Manchin is going to vote than we do?

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
3. What is Manchin's asking price for doing the right thing?
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:20 AM
Mar 2021

His name on a national park? $100 million? His name on a national park and $100 million?


alwaysinasnit

(5,065 posts)
11. Maybe this?
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 03:27 AM
Mar 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/politics/gayle-manchin-appalachian-regional-commission/index.html

(CNN)Gayle Manchin, an educator and wife of Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, has been nominated to serve as the federal co-chair of the Appalachian Regional Commission, the White House said in a news release Friday.
The commission is an economic development partnership agency of the federal government and 13 state governments working toward strengthening economic growth in Appalachia.
Manchin previously served as West Virginia's secretary of education and the arts. She was fired from that position by Republican Gov. Jim Justice after she issued a statement calling on the governor to veto legislation that would eliminate the state's Office of Education and the Arts and offered to resign.

She served as West Virginia's first lady from 2005 to 2010 when her husband was governor of the state. Manchin was appointed to serve on the on the West Virginia board of education from 2007 to 2015 and was the board's president for the last two years.

Manchin directed the AmeriCorps Promise Fellows in the state and is the chair of an American Federation of Teachers initiative serving rural West Virginia, the Board for Reconnecting McDowell, Inc., according to the White House.

A longtime educator, Manchin has worked in Marion County Schools, was a faculty member at Fairmont State University and was the director of the university's first community service learning program, the White House said in the statement.
Her husband, Joe Manchin, is a moderate Democrat whose support is critical to the White House in a Senate that is split 50-50 between Democrats and Republicans. If Manchin or other Democratic senators break with the White House on certain initiatives, it could limit the scope of Biden's agenda.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Manchin represents a conservative state. It's rather remarkable
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:30 AM
Mar 2021

that he has been able to run as a Democrat and vote Democratic most of the time. I get angry at him also, but he's the choice of the people of WV and is there until 2024. This is the beginning of 2021.

Itm, maybe chill and remember that dealing with him is his Democratic colleagues' job. He and they were instrumental in passing the American Rescue Plan almost intact. You wouldn't have gotten your stimulus/rescue checks without Manchin.

Most important, whoever's calling for primarying him is up to no good. WV voters would not replace him with someone you like. They'd replace him with whoever McConnell and company backed.

Celerity

(43,328 posts)
8. if he allows the suppression to not only continue but go into overdrive (which is exactly what
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 01:52 AM
Mar 2021

will occur if he ends up blocking all or large chunks of the multiple voter rights bills now sitting in the Senate), then he will more than likely (if he even wins in 2024, which is highly problematic, as he narrowly won in the huge Blue Wave election of 2018) be in the minority in Senate either on January 3rd, 2023, and/or January 3, 2025. Quite likely we will loss the House in 2022, fail to regain it in 2024, and failure with these bills really puts the 2024 POTUS race in danger as well. Flip just 22,000 total votes (spread out between 3 states, NV, AZ, WI) from D to R, and we would be in the 66th day of Trump's 2nd term.

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
13. The problem with this contention is that, and I'm sure Manchin
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 04:45 AM
Mar 2021

knows it, if S1 isn't passed, the republicans will double down with even more voter suppression laws in the effort to make Red State Dems like Manchin a thing of the past. He wouldn't stand a chance in any State wide race.

Give him the space to come in.

WarGamer

(12,436 posts)
16. Always good to look at both sides of the situation.
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 07:36 PM
Mar 2021

What if a Republican Congress in the future proposes HR1, then S1...

mandating Voter ID and abolishing vote by mail?

BUT the Fed has NO RIGHT to do that to the individual States, RIGHT?

HR1 would be wrecked in the SCOTUS.

I'm personally in favor of passing it just to get the SCOTUS on record... but Barf, Handmaiden, GoodHair, Sleepy, Scalito and JR won't let it pass Constitutional muster.

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
17. I think it is fair to look at what could happen, certainly. The problem though is that Dems
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:07 PM
Mar 2021

can't leave things stand where Republicans enact all these voter suppression laws, and you go into the next election where Democrats already had a narrow path due to previous GOP skullduggery. Who's to say that they won't be even more emboldened and create a permanent majority in the house or Senate ? I think this is the moment, when Democrats are in control. Pass S1 and that forces the GOP to fight 2022 under fair rules, and forces them to either change direction or get blown away.

As regards the SC, Norm Ornstein talked about this, and said that if the legislation is drafted properly, the right wing SC will have little wriggle room.

P.S. don't forget that the racist States had to comply with the VRA until Roberts let them off, but iirc, Roberts basically said that Congress needed to draft proper legislation.

WarGamer

(12,436 posts)
20. Good points, all...
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:47 PM
Mar 2021

I typically look at most issues as a dispassionate outsider.

And I see that abolishing the filibuster and passing HR1 will lead to horrendous things if/when the GOP takes power again.

There need to be limits and roadblocks in our political system.

Imagine if there were no roadblocks during the Trump years.

Now keep in mind that the NEXT person running on a campaign of America First and MAGA will be more likeable and literate than Trump.


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