All of our problems were caused by the former guy

[Cary]

All of them.

No exceptions.

[CloudWatcher]

1. Sadly not true.

McConnell was taking a dump in the pool long before Trump got elected.

Reagan turned the GOP into a union-busting hate fest.

Fox News and Limbaugh made ignorance and alternate facts the new conservative standards.

Racism has been with us forever.

Trump just made everything a lot worse.

[Cary]

2. Not the point

Let the ratfuckers try to refute it. I'll ignore their facts the way they ignore mine.

[CloudWatcher]

5. The problem with just blaming Trump

You can't just blame Trump for everything. There's a lot more evil still getting done by Trump's enablers. Trump was the face of evil for the last four years, but he's not the only one we need to be fighting.

We've still got McConnell. We've still got Putin. We've still got all the racists and idiots that put Trump in power. It feels good to blame it all on Trump, but he didn't get himself elected.

[Cary]

7. You want to defend the former guy?

Think about it and get back to me.

[CloudWatcher]

12. Defend?

That's pretty rich. Nothing I've said was in defense of Trump. He is the worst of the worst. But he's not alone. Removing him from power (and keeping him out of power) cannot be our only goal. Cutting head off a hydra is not the end of the battle.

[Cary]

16. Yes it is rich

You don't get the point.

[Hortensis]

3. They're much older than him.

Leaders of the white Christian conservative man's party and their power blocs became desperate back in the 1990s when they finally realized that with every passing year they'd lose more and more honest elections. Changing to remain representative was rejected. Instead, we now know they decided to take over and impose what would be a police state in whatever form their authoritarian government took.

He's just a wild card increasingly angry and rabid RW populist types chose to hurry things up.

[IbogaProject]

4. Most

Campaign finance is a big problem as it often leads to centrist democratic vs some republican, either far right or an enticing "moderate" poser.

[rickyhall]

6. Under different names it goes back to the founding.

[Cary]

10. Satan, Beelzubub, Lucifer, ...

... the former guy.

[rickyhall]

11. Actually, I think they were to help us. Read William Blake.

[GoCubsGo]

8. If by "former guy." you mean Ronald Reagan, yes.

Most of the problems we are dealing with now were due to Reagan, his assault on working people and their rights, his racist assault on minorities and their rights, his corrupt war on drugs, his kow-towing to corporations, etc. They were exacerbated by the rest of his putrid, disgusting crime syndicate, including the Bush Family, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, that drunken, blubbering boob from Ohio/former Speaker of the House whose names escapes me at the moment, the Kochs, the Murdochs, the cretins they installed on the Supreme Court and in lower courts...

[Cary]

9. And where does all of your logic and reason get you?

You have no need to debate with or persuade me. The people whom you need to persuade have no use for logic, and wouldn't recognize or appreciate reason if their lives depended on it. The people whom you need to persuade cannot be anything more than what they are: high right wing authoritarian followers.

They never recover. That's a fact. They will only use your logic, reason, fairness, and good faith to gaslight you. They cannot be dissuaded. They cannot handle complexity or nuance.

They are followers and so they can be demoralized and disaffected, and they have given us a scapegoat. They offered him up. They made a golden calf in his image.

I say shove their golden calf down their authoritarian throat.

All of our problems are the former guy's fault. No exception.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. Reagan could not get the nomination in the current version of the GOP

[LetMyPeopleVote]

13. I agree with your analysls

[Cary]

15. I need to perfect my tactic

I still get drawn in.