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"We want you to beat him:" Maryland police seen in body camera footage handcuffing 5-year-old boy
"We want you to beat him:" Maryland police seen in body camera footage handcuffing 5-year-old boy
The 51-minute body camera video, which the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office released Friday, sheds new light on an encounter that's now the subject of a lawsuit filed by the boy's mother.
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7:00 PM · Mar 27, 2021
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/5-year-old-handcuffed-maryland-police-montgomery-county/
marble falls
(57,008 posts)Bev54
(10,038 posts)especially a cop?
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)Maybe
But a five year old?
These two arent fit to be dog catchers not alone officers
mchill
(1,017 posts)(Not me!)
Whoopi Goldberg stood up for beating (spanking) a child.
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)There is a HUGE difference between spanking a child and beating one.
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)And the parenthesis saying spanking don't work for me. You said beating. HUGE difference.
A bit about Whoopie.
Whoopi Goldbergs Battle With Dyslexia and Keys to Success
Whoopi Goldberg in her youth struggled with learning; labeled dumb and lazy she became a high school dropout at the age of 17. With low self-esteem, she became involved in drugs. Yet remarkably she overcame all this to have the most amazing career as an actress, comedian, television host and author. She has won an Emmy Award, a Grammy Award, an Academy Award, and a Tony Award.
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When Goldberg realized she had learning dyslexia and it prevented her from succeeding in school it was life changing for her.
When asked how she thinks her dyslexia affected her, Goldberg says, I think perhaps it made me more introspective. Made me more thoughtful, maybe slightly slower in how I do things because it takes me a minute sometimes to figure things out. She also says how thinking differently has helped her succeed.
Fortunately for Goldberg, she had a mother who told her that she wasnt stupid and could grow up to be and do anything she wanted. She herself realized she couldnt be stupid because, as she says, If you read to me, I could tell you everything you read. She says she still likes to be read to. Her mothers attitude, coupled with her own determination, took her off welfare and drugs and drove her to succeed.
Source: Whoopi Goldberg Speaks Up About Dyslexia at Annual Adam Katz Memorial Conversation
Whoopi Goldberg is one example of many who struggle with learning and have been labeled as dumb or lazy.
betsuni
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Emrys
(7,221 posts)Scotland:
https://www.mygov.scot/smacking-children/
The existing law was modified in 2019, and the changes came into force in 2020.
Wales is also following suit:
https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2020-03/ending-physical-punishment-in-wales-faqs_0.pdf
The law was enacted in 2020, and comes into force in 2022.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,307 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)As a the big bad policeman is going to get you if you dont behave type of lesson?
Sounds worse in the headline.
The screaming in his face was way over the top. Maybe assault.
Encouraging the mom to beat her child is stupid. But its apparently legal - and supported by some here and, as someone pointed out upthread, the Oracle Whoopi Goldberg.
Maybe Im missing something...
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)Who here on DU supports beating a child? Beating a child is far different from spanking one. I asked them (up thread) and I will ask you for a link to Whoopi to where Whoopie supports children being beaten and those you referred to on DU that support it. Who on DU supports children being beaten. Who? That is a nasty allegation to claim about a fellow DUer.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)She can dress it up all she wants. Its a beating. Not playing that game.
This the same person that said Roman Polanski didnt commit a real rape - she coined the term not a rape rape
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)Was it in her sig line on DU? Is she a member here?
You said DUers support her beating children comment here on DU. Where was all this said?
BY YOUR OWN POST HERE YOU ARE ACCUSING DUers here of supporting child abuse. Please stop.
You can't just toss stuff out without supporting what you are accusing her and DUers of. Now you bring in Polanski. What!?
betsuni
(25,376 posts)As the link in comment #18 shows.
George II
(67,782 posts)sheshe2
(83,645 posts)Completely off topic. I am not even sure why Whoppie was brought up in this thread. Confusing to say the least.
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George II
(67,782 posts)betsuni
(25,376 posts)mcar
(42,278 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,919 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....(which it is), but you have no explanation of why you have two animated gifs in your signature depicting the infliction of pain and violence on children.
Seems kind of contradictory, doesn't it? Any explanation about why you are displaying violence toward children in your signature, i.e.,
This:
and this:
progressoid
(49,944 posts)I just spent a memorable lunch break watching clips on YouTube of the brilliance of Young Frankenstein.
George II
(67,782 posts)....they are not comedy or funny.
progressoid
(49,944 posts)I'm told there are also some troubling parts in To Kill a Mockingbird and Lord of the Flies too.
I take it you haven't seen Young Frankenstein? Cuz, that scene, among many, was kinda funny.
George II
(67,782 posts)....little girls.
progressoid
(49,944 posts)Who is reveling in it?
Second, where was the violence against the girl in YF?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)You know what actually isn't funny? Comparing hitting real children to fictional scenes in movies where no one was actually hurt. The first one the girl lands safely in a bed, the second one she is tossed in a lake, both events that aren't harmful, and weren't intended to hurt a child.
I'm wondering why you continue your crusade against harmless fiction where there are people defending hitting real schildren?
Autumn
(44,980 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 29, 2021, 06:47 PM - Edit history (1)
our time. AFAIC Young Frankenstein was the funniest movies of all time and is priceless. A lot of the scenes and characters are parodies of the 31 film and its sequels.
The second clip was from the 1931 film Frankenstein and that clip was censored until the 1980's when luckily it was found. When it was re released with that clip added it changed the tone of the movie.
They are movies they are not real and children were not harmed. I can't understand how anyone can ever be upset about scenes from a comedy or an old black and white "horror" genre based on a classic book. You may not find Young Frankenstein funny and that's your loss George but a lot of people find it hilarious.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)Vampires, like Frankenstein, arent real. Neither are Muppets.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....scene was removed from the movie and thought to be destroyed. It only surfaced almost 60 years later. Doesn't make it any less violent.
The fact is the little girl in the movie was thrown into a lake and drowned. Why you find the need to about it is beyond me.
Don't forget:
Silence of the Lambs won FIVE Academy Awards
In Cold Blood was nominated for four Academy Awards
There are others, too.
The fact that they were award winning or nominated doesn't take away the violence depicted in them.
Both the movies in question here are 1-1/2 or 2 hours long, it's curious that probably the most violent scene in each is presented here.
Still waiting why, in a post decrying violence toward children, these two gifs are acceptable. Obviously it's not just me that finds them disturbing.
Also interesting is that this thread has been here since Saturday, but all of a sudden within a couple of hours three people who hadn't previously participated in the thread zeroed in, not on the OP or the subject matter of the OP, but my post more than halfway down thread. Odd coincidence?
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)....scene was removed from the movie and thought to be destroyed. It only surfaced almost 60 years later. Doesn't make it any less violent.
It was disturbing. Now it is back and found to be amusing.
George II
(67,782 posts)sheshe2
(83,645 posts)Yet that is just me...and you.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)in the movie, the girl and he were throwing flowers on the water,when the monster throws her in like a flower, and is visibly upset when she doesn't float, the tone of the sequence completely changes. Take the movie Bambi, one could say that was a violent movie. If you don't like seeing what people post, or you don't like a person you should ignore that poster, sage advice from the previous owner, Skinnner was pretty smart. Makes more sense that complaining about their posts every time you see them. As for replying in this thread today, I had a very busy weekend, this is Monday. HBS is a very good friend of mine, I always look for his posts, I value his opinion and his sense of humor. There are two people in this thread that will post a response to a post of mine a few days, a week, sometime 2 weeks later.
George II
(67,782 posts)Still about violence, eh Autumn?
Interesting, you've tried to explain why they're used more than the user has, who has remained virtually silent. As they say, "speaks volumes"!
Have a great evening, hopefully it's peaceful and quiet.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)Not real. One can spend 2 minutes on the internet and find real life situations that are more offensive. Like this one.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-police-5-year-old-boy-handcuffed-berated/
A real child in a real life situation. Not a movie, not pretend. Five years old, George. Where's the outrage on that?
George II
(67,782 posts)....violence. And yet you STILL persist in at it. Perhaps you wouldn't be surprised?
Violence is violence - fake, real, pretend, actual, whatever. Maybe you should read up on some of the perpetrators of violence against children to see what their motivations were. It's shocking. Where's your outrage, Autumn?
Autumn
(44,980 posts)movies. I know none of it is real. I have no outrage when it comes to movies. I don't like a movie, I don't watch it. I also don't complain about what other people find to be humorous, or a genre of movies, music or dance that they enjoy. I'm not laughing at violence George, I'm laughing at faux outrage. YMOV
George II
(67,782 posts)....and wrong" and yet you've had two animated gifs depicting violence and pain against children?
George II
(67,782 posts)kcr
(15,314 posts)Supporting spanking is not much better than supporting beating. Supporters will huff and puff their denial in order to keep the disconnect in their minds the same way all supporters of any violence do.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)In the event they wonder off near traffic or are forgetful.
betsuni
(25,376 posts)isn't about pain, it's startling the child into snapping them out of their anger or whatever and knowing you're serious about what you've told them 45 times. She never supported "beating." You missed something.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/video/whoppi-spanking-beating-14897359
Wonder why anyone would belittle liberal Whoopi Goldberg, Democrat, as an "oracle" and accuse her of supporting beating children.
sheshe2
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LetMyPeopleVote
(144,919 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)For being depressed and asking to go to the hospital.
I was not agitated ,threatening or acting out. I was willingly going to the hospital.
When they cuffed me I ask they be gentle as putting my shoulders in that position hurts my back that has nerve damage. They cuffed me tight and omg it hurt.
Was put in a plexiglass box built into the seat that gave me no room to move.
The ambulance that came got turned away
I was mortified being hauled away like a criminal.In front of my neighbors.
I have been taken to the hospital in an ambulance they can take people in a mental illness crisis.. There was no need for the cops to take me.
When we got to the hospital the cop would not take the handcuffs off even though I had tears rolling down my cheeks it hurt so bad.
Cop wouldn't let me sit down.
Hours later he took off the cuffs and I screamed from the pain the locked muscles caused when I raised my arms to be wanded.
There was no need for any of this shit if they just let the ambulance take me.
There are bigot cops out here in Maryland and I live in hud housing. Marks me as a poor.
My town has alot of bigotry regarding the poor ,different races and transgender people. It's disgusting.
Cops also misgendered me and seemed to delight in doing it.
There's a lot of transgender hatred in Maryland. Even in places you think would be above that shit.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)to them that they were probably heaping PTSD on you, too. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)know very well the bigotry of many cops (and others, such as teachers) toward the poor, the callousness and the abuse, mental and physical, those kind inflict on their victims. It was a long time ago, but you never forget that kind of thing.
We need to set our standards for who we arm with the power of the state much higher. We've always had a real if uneven growth -- and spread -- of individual rights, but of course law enforcement lags. If the Republicans don't turn us into a police state, I believe that'll continue to get better, aided by something of the same evolution that's almost rid the market of genuinely bad toasters. It's getting increasingly harder to be a bad cop, or responsible for bad cops, without being exposed and held to account.
Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)And the fact I am transgender. So the bastard thought he'd punish me for existing.
Thier cuffing bullshit has happened three times to me since I have been in hud housing here. Each time I was not agitated in any of the incidents, was mostly quiet except for tears,my counselor felt I should go and I agreed.So she called 911.
There is a lot of bigotry twords transpeople out here.
I really hate calling 911 .I make totally sure I feel too unsafe or too sick to stay home before I pick up the phone.. Because you never know if you'll get an asshole cop situation or an ambulance when they treat you decently.
Cops apparently do not think I deserve to be treated decently.
Fuckem
When I was a homeowner they didn't pull this shit on me.If I went with the cop I was not cuffed. I sat in the backseat of the car not a plexiglass box.
I can say with certainty the poorer you are out here the more shitty you get treated.
And add in a creative appearance like my mowhawk in bright colors,tattoos, gothy punk clothes and being trans it pretty much garantees I'll get shitty treatment by cops 20 years my junior. I'm 55 but look like I am 30 something. So I guess they got mommy issues or hate punk goth liberals or something
Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)Volunteers with cars who are there to take people in crisis to the hospital.
They have set ups like that for other illnesses/issues.
Even if the workers are paid it would make a world of difference.
Stigma against the mentally ill is so entrenched in this country it's tragic.
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sheshe2
(83,645 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,618 posts).., I guess it took until now to pry the bodycam vids out of the MCSO.
I'm sure they knew how damning it would be, and it is. I understand no one has been fired to date.
XanaDUer2
(10,497 posts)Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)Later, the officer says, "You can beat your child in Montgomery County, Maryland. In front of him and everybody else you can beat him." The officer adds, "And please don't leave no cuts or crazy cigarette burns, nothing like that. We're good, alright? Meeting adjourned."
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)Maybe someone should take his gun and demonstrate just to make sure the mother knows how to do it.. I would volunteer to beat the snot out of that cop.. you know for educational purposes.