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PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 12:50 PM Mar 2021

Questions regarding the blockage in the Suez Canal

Who will be held responsible for the accident? Reportedly, the ship had two canal pilots directing the transit of the canal. Will they be held responsible? Or will the company that owns the ship face liability?

In a similar way, if a tractor-trailer truck hits an overpass, is the driver liable? Do they have insurance coverage? Or does their company cover the responsibility?

Thanks, in advance, for any answers.

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Questions regarding the blockage in the Suez Canal (Original Post) PJMcK Mar 2021 OP
The ship itself is liable. It's called an "in rem" liability. It's been a while since I was in... TreasonousBastard Mar 2021 #1
that ship is technically salvage at this point..... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #2
Wow Hekate Mar 2021 #13
Wow. Delphinus Mar 2021 #14
And you still don't know if you are relying on internet answers. former9thward Mar 2021 #18
Thanks for Delphinus Mar 2021 #19
And I have one minor question. The lettering on the ship reads "EverGREEN", yet talking heads say niyad Mar 2021 #3
Evergreen is the company's name. Ever Given is just one of the many ships in its fleet dalton99a Mar 2021 #7
Why could it not have been the Ever Genius? Generic Brad Mar 2021 #10
Ever Gifted could work in this case, too. Xavier Breath Mar 2021 #11
Maybe they'll rename it to this: Towlie Mar 2021 #16
Thank you so much. niyad Mar 2021 #12
How much ballast do these behemoths take on to keep from rolling over? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #17
Some have suggested the possibility of the ship breaking up. keithbvadu2 Mar 2021 #4
I think the ability of the ship to handle stresses is a big issue in the rescue captain queeg Mar 2021 #9
The ship is worth $170M; insured up to $140M; cargo is priceless Chinese goods dalton99a Mar 2021 #5
china ships a lot of high dollar items.... getagrip_already Mar 2021 #15
Is the canal filling up with sand and silt? Is it becoming more shallow? Are the banks collapsing? NurseJackie Mar 2021 #6
"How did it get as far as it did without bottoming out someplace else" EX500rider Mar 2021 #8

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. The ship itself is liable. It's called an "in rem" liability. It's been a while since I was in...
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 12:56 PM
Mar 2021

the business, but while pilots my be liable, they can't get insurance for that liability so nobody bothers suing them.

getagrip_already

(14,743 posts)
2. that ship is technically salvage at this point.....
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 01:07 PM
Mar 2021

Which means the salvors can claim up to 50% of the value of the ship and cargo as compensation for saving/freeing it.

Admiralty law is complex, but this is common. So it really doesn't matter who is held responsible, the ship is toast. It's cargo is toast. It's insurance carrier is toast.

Lots of toast to go around.

former9thward

(32,002 posts)
18. And you still don't know if you are relying on internet answers.
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 07:01 PM
Mar 2021

The ship is not salvage. The rescue operation is being handled by the ship's owner.

niyad

(113,293 posts)
3. And I have one minor question. The lettering on the ship reads "EverGREEN", yet talking heads say
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 01:12 PM
Mar 2021

"everGIVEN". What is that about? What am I missing?

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
16. Maybe they'll rename it to this:
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 05:38 PM
Mar 2021


I'm getting a lot of mileage out of this image but I guess someday I'll have to stop posting it.

keithbvadu2

(36,793 posts)
4. Some have suggested the possibility of the ship breaking up.
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 01:14 PM
Mar 2021

Some have suggested the possibility of the ship breaking up.

With both ends stuck, its weight is not supported evenly in the water.

I have no idea if it is that serious or not.

It is still under some pretty great stress.

(This may be a painting instead of a picture)

captain queeg

(10,188 posts)
9. I think the ability of the ship to handle stresses is a big issue in the rescue
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 02:28 PM
Mar 2021

They are going to latch onto it with a bunch of tugs, some pulling and some pushing. That will induce stresses that were not designed for. I remember reading about a big tanker going around the cape of Good Hope where they commonly have giant rollers. The front of the ship was raised by a big wave as well as the stern. So midship wasn’t supporting much weight and the ship broke in two. That area is notorious for huge rolling waves. Makes me wonder if these huge ships are properly designed to take that route if the suez is out of action for a long time. I imagine ships are designed for what’s expected.

getagrip_already

(14,743 posts)
15. china ships a lot of high dollar items....
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 05:21 PM
Mar 2021

and a container full of even apple products ain't chicken scratch.

And half of it and the ship will belong to the gov't as salvage in any case. The insurance company will pay the salvage claim up to the insured value, but the cargo owners will have a claim on whatever is left. This will be a nightmare of suits lasting decades.

But the Egyptian gov't will make out well.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. Is the canal filling up with sand and silt? Is it becoming more shallow? Are the banks collapsing?
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 01:16 PM
Mar 2021

How did it get as far as it did without bottoming out someplace else?

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
8. "How did it get as far as it did without bottoming out someplace else"
Sun Mar 28, 2021, 01:50 PM
Mar 2021

It didn't bottom out so much as go sideways and it is longer then the canal is wide.

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