'Vaccine passports' are on the way, but developing them won't be easy

[LetMyPeopleVote]

I want to see vaccine passports adopted and used. People who are vaccinated should be able to attend sporting and other events. I can see some airlines in effect requiring some sort of proof of vaccination in lieu of COVID tests at the airport.

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The Biden administration and private companies are working to develop a standard way of handling credentials — often referred to as “vaccine passports” — that would allow Americans to prove they have been vaccinated against the novel coronavirus as businesses try to reopen.

The effort has gained momentum amid President Biden’s pledge that the nation will start to regain normalcy this summer and with a growing number of companies — from cruise lines to sports teams — saying they will require proof of vaccination before opening their doors again.

The administration’s initiative has been driven largely by arms of the Department of Health and Human Services, including an office devoted to health information technology, said five officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the effort. The White House this month took on a bigger role coordinating government agencies involved in the work, led by coronavirus coordinator Jeff Zients, with a goal of announcing updates in coming days, said one official......

The passports are expected to be free and available through applications for smartphones, which could display a scannable code similar to an airline boarding pass. Americans without smartphone access should be able to print out the passports, developers have said.

Other countries are racing ahead with their own passport plans, with the European Union pledging to release digital certificates that would allow for summer travel

My family is going to get our CDC vaccine cards laminated

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[soothsayer]

1. NY has one called the Excelsior Pass. Japan rolling one out soon

[womanofthehills]

60. There will need to be an expiration date on your pass card

Because Pfizer said their vaccine will probably protect people for about 6 months

[soothsayer]

61. Yeah good point. I think it's probably a temporary measure

[SheltieLover]

2. Please, NO religious exemptions!

[liberal_mama]

12. New York State eliminated the religious exemption in 2019 after the Measles outbreak

[SheltieLover]

14. Excellent! 👏👏👏👏

Ty for sharing!

Fed should do same. Religion has no place in public policy.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

38. Florida's Ron DeSantis says he'll ban 'vaccine passports'

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During a press conference on Monday, March 29, DeSantis revealed he plans to introduce "an executive function" that would prohibit businesses from refusing service to any individuals who have not received the COVID-19 vaccine. He also lambasted the idea of implementing vaccine passports.

"We are not supporting doing any vaccine passports in the state of Florida," he said at the press conference, according to 10 Tampa Bay. "It's completely unacceptable for either the government or the private sector to impose upon you the requirement that you show proof of vaccine to just simply be able to participate in normal society.

DeSantis added, "You want to go to a movie theatre, should you have to show [a vaccine passport]? No. You want to go to a game, should you have to show that? No. You want to go to a theme park? No. We're not supportive of that."

If Deathsantis is against vaccine passports, then they have to be a good idea

[SheltieLover]

42. Gawd how I loathe them

Yups! Like Alice in Wonderland! Up is down.

[spinbaby]

55. What if the cruise lines demand them?

Or Disney World, Universal, Sea World, and other major tourist attractions? That’s some major economic pressure.

[Mr.Bill]

57. He says he's going to

ban any business from demanding them. I guess the republicans are now for big government telling businesses what they can and can't do.

[SoCalDavidS]

3. DO NOT LAMINATE ORIGINAL CARD!

I was told that if you want to laminate, make a copy and laminate it.

They may need the original card for later Booster shots, according to the lady who gave me my 1st injection.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

5. I am headed to WDW in May and I will take my CDC card in some format

I would love to see an official program adopted

[SheltieLover]

15. +1

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

11. That's what I'll be doing. I've already photocopied the card,

and just need to get somewhere to laminate it.

[SheltieLover]

16. Excellent idea.

Ty for sharing.

[SheltieLover]

17. Excellent idea.

Ty for sharing.

[dalton99a]

19. +1

[Mariana]

22. Laminate your card if that's what you want to do.

Then if you need boosters or whatever, simply copy the information from the old card onto a new card, and then add the updates to that new card. There's nothing magical about the original card that you have to keep that piece of paper forever, it's not like they've been notarized or anything.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

54. Okay

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[ornotna]

56. No need to laminate

You can get a protector and lanyard for it.


https://www.amazon.com/s?k=vaccine+card+protector&crid=28LXV55QMZVX4&sprefix=vaccine+card%2Caps%2C188&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_12

[brooklynite]

4. I have one...

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[Dream Girl]

6. I don't get why this is necessary. Why can't they just scan us when needed?

Isn’t that how the chips they implanted are supposed to work? 😊

[Chellee]

39. Shh...ixnay on the ipschay.

George Soros said we're supposed to keep it a secret.

[Dream Girl]

40. I thought everybody knew! I'll keep on the DL...

[RobinA]

43. I Think That Whole Thing

is just a made up story. I've been waiting for Bill Gates to summon me to do his biding since mid-January when I got my second shot, and.......nothing. I have a few words I'd like to get off my chest about Windows.

[George II]

7. I've got one of those cards with the first shot entered. Unfortunately Canada still won't allow....

....Americans to enter yet for anything other than family emergencies, even if fully vaccinated

Obviously we never expected anything like this to happen, but had I known it I would have gone through the certification process (it's mostly paperwork and takes a few months) of getting my formal Canadian citizenship documents. I never really worried about it because I've been crossing the border for decades without any problems.

BTW, back to that card - of course my wife washed the jacket that I wore the day I got my first shot, so while my card is still legible, it's a mess. Hopefully I can get a new one when I get the second shot.

I notice the cards in the pictures are white, mine is yellow. I wonder if there's a reason for that? My vaccine is Moderna, too, so it can't be a code color signifying which vaccine it represents.

[Retrograde]

8. Just make it a size that fits into a standard wallet

Like the size of a driver's license: make it convenient for people to carry along with their credit cards and id - the CDC card is just too big!

[Hortensis]

36. Yes.

[Tree Lady]

9. Great idea but I am already seeing the lawsuits

Suing for discrimination, medical reasons for not getting shots.

Hope they make it easier than getting a passport and cheaper. Like turn in your regular passport and copies of vaccine card and they update it.

[BannonsLiver]

20. Not only that

But if all you have is the paper card you are truly fucked. Those cards alone will not suffice as proof when trying to acquire the so called passport. My understanding is some local health depts have been recording who gets it but I’m sure there is nothing close to uniformity across the country meaning there are loads of people with nothing but the card.

[Tree Lady]

24. Sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen

And nobody really knows anything. I was trying to find out what it means that I had such a strong reaction to second shot and my husband nothing. Most of what I read were guesses and they really don't know how it will affect if you are exposed to the virus other than to say you most likely won't die. While comforting doesn't really answer my questions because basically we don't know yet.

[Hortensis]

37. So they sue. Established law says businesses can have valid

business reasons for requiring vaccination, both for certain positions and in other cases for employment at all (how about our friend the commercial ship captain and his crew?), and that will be upheld because it continues to be true. Case by case, but the vast majority of deluded would-be litigants would be out both legal fees (or maybe just time in HR being educated) and whatever they were suing for.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

10. Maybe the passport-sized lanyards that I bought...

... for my CDC vaccine card will prove useful for a vaccine passport as well?

The vaccination card is 4"x3", but I ordered bigger lanyard covers to avoid overly-tight fits.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

53. Yep

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[Buckeye_Democrat]

63. Love that video!

[Ex Lurker]

13. A vaccine passport is too authoritarian for my comfort level

I've had my first shot and look forward to my second in a few weeks, but I won't be carrying around my "papers" as a condition of travel. I'm surprised more people don't have a problem with this.

[BannonsLiver]

21. There will be loads of litigation

[LetMyPeopleVote]

25. What is wrong with identifying the idiots whos refuse to take the vaccine

Idiots who refuse to take the vaccine should be excluded from some activities

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[BannonsLiver]

28. I personally don't have a huge problem with it

My concern is how does one acquire said passport. If the card suffices, then I could see this happening somewhat smoothly. But if the card is not enough a lot of people could be out of luck. I got my vaccine through a state contracted provider that the state supplied vaccine to. Did they compile a list and send it to state and county health officials? I have no idea.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

30. The CDC has a database with the vsafe database that could be used

[winstars]

46. Not sure the hostess at my favorite restaurant will have access to the CDC database.

I am all for these passports but am unsure how its all going to work.

MAGA types are already selling the paper cards on the internets, so theres that issue. And the database thingy presents problems the lower echelons of business.

I would love to eat in a restaurant or go to an event with "vaccinated only" people around me but I am just unsure that I won't be sitting next to someone with a fake CDC card etc...

[BannonsLiver]

50. Not according to this from their website

Vsafe is voluntary and wasn’t designed for the purpose of being an all encompassing database for those who have been vaccinated. And even if it were, that doesn’t account for who is responsible for recording the info at the actual vax site. Databases require data.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/adults/vaccination-records.html

[USALiberal]

33. Leave your drivers license at home?? nt

[fescuerescue]

65. I do often

If I'm not driving.

I'm probably the exception.

[rictofen]

34. They might have a problem with it

If having to provide proof of vaccination starts having a disparate impact on certain groups.

[drmeow]

18. There is already a Yellow Fever

Vaccine card/passport.

[Klaralven]

23. You'll eventually need the International Air Transport Association Travel Pass to travel abroad

https://www.iata.org/en/programs/passenger/travel-pass/

It would seem like a good idea to use the international standard instead of coming up with a US kludge.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. A passport would help international travel

I can see that some form of proof of vaccination being required for overseas travel and perhaps for travel to Hawaii

[spinbaby]

29. It's been required since forever

Vaccines have been required for certain travel for as long as I can remember.

[Raftergirl]

31. I downloaded the Excelsior Pass

and will activate it once I get my 2nd shot on the 9th.

H and I are looking forward to going to some Yankee games (for me) and Met games (for him.)

I also have no problem getting whatever is needed to travel internationally.

I think requiring these types of passports to go places, attend events will push some of the those who say they won’t get the vaccine to get it. They will talk a good game about never getting vaxxed blah, blah, blah, but eventually they will. They just won’t tell anyone.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

32. Coming 'Vaccine Passports' Aim for Simplicity

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The first digital “vaccine passports” for post-pandemic travel have been designed as easy-to-use applications that will one day merge into other travel platforms, like airline apps, their developers say.

Though popularly known as vaccine passports, the apps also include information like Covid-19 test status, and are in trial runs in several places around the world.

Clear, the trusted-traveler program that helps fliers get through airport security more quickly, is testing a Covid-19 test or vaccination-verification app on some flights into Hawaii as part of a pilot program with the state. Clear’s Health Pass app is already being used by some sports leagues and museums to verify the Covid-19 status of ticketholders, the company said.

Other organizations, like the nonprofit Commons Project Foundation and the International Air Transport Association or IATA, are introducing their own apps that also aim to let passengers quickly prove they have had the Covid-19 test or vaccination required to cross a border. The apps would save travelers the trouble of uploading health documents to the immigration website of each destination country.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

35. Gym Jordan and MT Green are against vaccine passports

Given that these two idiots are never right on anything, then it is clear that Vaccine Passports are a good idea

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[Sympthsical]

41. These are a terrible, authoritarian idea

When it comes to tracking and tech, it is very difficult to unring bells. Once you create a two-tiered society, the lines between them will grow.

Historically, we should know better. I'll let Naomi Wolf speak for me here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1376264954702131210.html

This is the absolute end of the line for human liberty in the West and if you don’t understand why, ask a techie. Once you agree to this platform any functionality can be loaded into it turning off and on access to society, goods, information, movement, based on your behavior.

2/ Wake up world, for love of God. As I’ve been screaming for a year, it’s not about virus, or even vaccine; it’s the data. The vaccine is an excuse, a Trojan Horse, to get you to agree to a platform that is ALREADY 360 degree surveillance, geolocation, turns society off and on.

3/Once this platform is ‘mandated’ you can no longer opt in or out of out as you do when you sign ‘I agree’ to terms and conditions on a website. You’ll be FORCED to ‘agree’ in order to work, socialize, travel. Then any functionality - social credit system that turns PayPal off..

4/ and on based on your social media behavior, or restricts you to your home based on whether you saw ‘dissidents’, which it will know, or a forbidden play the night before, can be loaded onto it with NO PROBLEM, w/o any additional consent from you which you can’t revoke anyway.

5/ Lastly and as the granddaughter of a woman who lost brothers and sisters to the Holocaust, I don’t say this lightly: IBM is producing the NYS version. IBM’s German subsidiary in Nazi Germany built the forerunner of a digitized system like this, using punch cards, that ...

6/ first did exactly what ‘Vaccine Passport’ proposes - it separated Nazi Germany into a two tier society, Jew and Aryan, using the technology of the day. Then IBM created the mechanized lists that allowed Jews to be rounded up swiftly, efficiently. Exactly same system, updated.

8/ But before that, Nazis created exactly what ‘Vaccine Passports’ explicitly promise: separation of society into two tiers: the ‘clean’ (privileged, with access) and ‘unclean (restricted, stigmatized, marginalized). There is no going back once this platform unrolls; no escape.

Some people, in their authoritarian partisanship, would absolutely adore a China-like system of social credit in America if it was directed against the right things and people.

Count me way the fuck out.

[Mr.Bill]

58. You must be terrified to have a driver's license.

[fescuerescue]

66. There are NO activities that one can't do without a drivers license.

And that's driving.

We can even vote without a drivers license! There are a few dozen activities that are difficult, banking, entering a Federal building, flying commercial, etc etc. But mostly banking.

This card, will regulate basically all the other things in life EXCEPT driving.

[Mr.Bill]

67. What are you worried about,

considering your post #64?

[fescuerescue]

68. I'm not worried

I'm conversing about the realities of life. Realities are not an emotion.

What you infer about what I write about those realities is a reflection of oneself.

[Mr.Bill]

69. Oh, how clever.

Accusing me of your bullshit.

[fescuerescue]

71. case in point.

[roamer65]

73. I am ALL for them.

As an added FU to the fundies, we should have it be a chip in the right hand or in the forehead.

[Wingus Dingus]

44. I only agree with them as part of international travel, school

enrollment (like all the other vaccines required), employment where appropriate (and exceptions allowed for people who shouldn't have the vaccine), anything that would require strict health measures. But for gym memberships, eating out, domestic travel, daily domestic life? Fuck no. That's ridiculous.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

45. I disagree

I am hoping that Walt Disney World adopts some sort of system for dining and shows. I can see Broadway also adopting some sort of system

[csziggy]

47. I think it would be great

When my husband and I were preparing to go to the UK, our doctor's office recommended certain vaccinations and we got them. But once we had them, we were not given any proof or record that we had gotten them. Of course, the UK is not a place to overly worry about most diseases and we were never asked about any vaccinations. But I would feel more comfortable if that information were readily available if needed.

Besides, horses have had to have "vaccine passports" for decades. About thirty five years ago a client brought four horses down from Canada and they each had their own equine vaccination passport. I'd never seen one before because we didn't deal with international horses. (The equine passports later helped me when it turned out the owner was a crook and I could track down where he lived in Canada by the info on the passports. Without that info, I would never have been able to collect on the $5000 bad check he gave me or the additional board for five months after that check bounced. Long, long story.)

[BannonsLiver]

49. I've been to the UK many times and am unaware of what recommended vaccinations there would be.

What did he suggest you get vaccinated for prior to visiting the UK?

[beaglelover]

48. I support vaccine passports 100%!

Keep those dumb anti-vaxers off of the airplanes, cruise ships, and out of live concerts and sporting events. Only those who fully vaccinate should reap the benefits of an open free society.

[womanofthehills]

59. Big problem- today Pfizer said their vaccine will protect you

For about 6 months so by the summer some people will no longer have antibodies unless they have a booster shot. So no booster shot, no entry. 110 vaccinated people in Washington state got Covid this week. Too many variables going on. Do you really think businesses are going to turn away people - I doubt it.

[beaglelover]

62. I just read the news and Pfizer says their vaccine

Is still 91% effective at the 6 month mark and that it seems to protect against the South African variant.

[DFW]

51. There is already the international orange-colored vaccination booklet

I had to have it for my smallpox vaccination for my first trip to Europe in 1968. I have a new one now with all my current vaccinations in it. Any doctor can glance at it and see what vaccinations I have had and when.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

52. LOL

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[fescuerescue]

64. Fake ID companies are already gearing up to make these

Especially since until there is a law against fake vaccination cards, they will be legal.

[spinbaby]

70. So people will buy a fake vaccine card,

When the vaccine is free. There really is a sucker born every minute.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

72. The UK is looking at vaccine passports

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