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They are freaking out over the popularity of new voting rights bills. (Original Post) UCmeNdc Mar 2021 OP
:) Turns out Repubs WANT to stop billionaires from buying elections. Hortensis Mar 2021 #1
There definitely are such conservatives, and primarily they want Soros, The Rothschilds, et al Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #3
It's not just that, though. Both the Tea Party and Trump were Hortensis Mar 2021 #4
That's it NJCher Mar 2021 #6
May there be more leakers to come. applegrove Mar 2021 #2
Inside the Koch-Backed Effort to Block the Largest Election-Reform Bill in Half a Century Ford_Prefect Mar 2021 #5
Rachel NJCher Mar 2021 #7
Don't Underestimate Laziness smb Mar 2021 #8

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. :) Turns out Repubs WANT to stop billionaires from buying elections.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 03:07 AM
Mar 2021

Their own research found that "there's a very large chunk of conservatives" "who were as supportive as the general public when they read the neutral description of HR 1."

Reportedly, part of the dark-money freak is that they can't figure out a way to convince enough people the reforms aren't necessary or shouldn't happen. (Maybe resuscitating Hillary's emails would work?)

Occurs to me that, n that context, the GA legislature's like a criminal who started throwing the loot around before it was safe.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. There definitely are such conservatives, and primarily they want Soros, The Rothschilds, et al
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 04:09 AM
Mar 2021

You know ... THOSE people ... to stop with their whole 'Running the Whole World' thing they have going on.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. It's not just that, though. Both the Tea Party and Trump were
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 04:29 AM
Mar 2021

in large part inept rebellions against their party's fealty to the new ultrawealthy classes, instead of them. They knew they were being screwed.

Most trumpists really want the progressive government programs they grew up with, such as Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, to continue. At least for them.

(Most drawn to populist movements, both right and left, combine varying portions of social conservatism and economic progressivism. On the economic side, both Trump and Sanders ran on promises to replace the ACA with a program with much better coverages for much less.)

NJCher

(35,670 posts)
6. That's it
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 05:51 AM
Mar 2021

As you so vividly described it in your last paragraph.

Smug smile here. 😽

The utter cruelty of denying food and water didn’t help their cause, either. That hits at a visceral level.

Ford_Prefect

(7,897 posts)
5. Inside the Koch-Backed Effort to Block the Largest Election-Reform Bill in Half a Century
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 05:37 AM
Mar 2021
On a leaked conference call, leaders of dark-money groups and an aide to Mitch McConnell expressed frustration with the popularity of the legislation—even among Republican voters.


In public, Republicans have denounced Democrats’ ambitious electoral-reform bill, the For the People Act, as an unpopular partisan ploy. In a contentious Senate committee hearing last week, Senator Ted Cruz, of Texas, slammed the proposal, which aims to expand voting rights and curb the influence of money in politics, as “a brazen and shameless power grab by Democrats.” But behind closed doors Republicans speak differently about the legislation, which is also known as House Resolution 1 and Senate Bill 1. They admit the lesser-known provisions in the bill that limit secret campaign spending are overwhelmingly popular across the political spectrum. In private, they concede their own polling shows that no message they can devise effectively counters the argument that billionaires should be prevented from buying elections.

A recording obtained by The New Yorker of a private conference call on January 8th, between a policy adviser to Senator Mitch McConnell and the leaders of several prominent conservative groups—including one run by the Koch brothers’ network—reveals the participants’ worry that the proposed election reforms garner wide support not just from liberals but from conservative voters, too. The speakers on the call expressed alarm at the broad popularity of the bill’s provision calling for more public disclosure about secret political donors. The participants conceded that the bill, which would stem the flow of dark money from such political donors as the billionaire oil magnate Charles Koch, was so popular that it wasn’t worth trying to mount a public-advocacy campaign to shift opinion. Instead, a senior Koch operative said that opponents would be better off ignoring the will of American voters and trying to kill the bill in Congress.

Kyle McKenzie, the research director for the Koch-run advocacy group Stand Together, told fellow-conservatives and Republican congressional staffers on the call that he had a “spoiler.” “When presented with a very neutral description” of the bill, “people were generally supportive,” McKenzie said, adding that “the most worrisome part . . . is that conservatives were actually as supportive as the general public was when they read the neutral description.” In fact, he warned, “there’s a large, very large, chunk of conservatives who are supportive of these types of efforts.”

As a result, McKenzie conceded, the legislation’s opponents would likely have to rely on Republicans in the Senate, where the bill is now under debate, to use “under-the-dome-type strategies”—meaning legislative maneuvers beneath Congress’s roof, such as the filibuster—to stop the bill, because turning public opinion against it would be “incredibly difficult.” He warned that the worst thing conservatives could do would be to try to “engage with the other side” on the argument that the legislation “stops billionaires from buying elections.” McKenzie admitted, “Unfortunately, we’ve found that that is a winning message, for both the general public and also conservatives.” He said that when his group tested “tons of other” arguments in support of the bill, the one condemning billionaires buying elections was the most persuasive—people “found that to be most convincing, and it riled them up the most.”

The New Yorker article by Jane Mayer is the source of this analysis. You can read it here:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-koch-backed-effort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century

smb

(3,471 posts)
8. Don't Underestimate Laziness
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 06:52 AM
Mar 2021

Outside the core cultist base, even Republicans are pissed off at the idea that politicians want to make them get out and stand in line (even the short lines typical of lily-white suburbs) instead of just filling out the form and dropping it in the mail.

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