Derek Chauvin Defense

[magicksmom]

I’m starting to wonder if Chauvin’s attorney is purposely acting incompetent so that Chauvin can claim this later depending on the outcome

[Walleye]

1. The same thought exactly crossed my mind

[onecaliberal]

2. He's doing the best he can with what he has to work with.

[Walleye]

5. True. The fact is there is no justification for this muder

[onecaliberal]

9. Two minutes passed after the officer was told that Mr Floyd did not have a pulse

Before he stopped kneeling on Floyd’s neck. The medics had to push the officer off of Mr Floyd to put him on the gurney.

[Walleye]

12. That is very damning. Almost as if the murderer had a personal motive

[IL Dem]

18. They did know each other prior to the murder.

n/t

[Walleye]

21. My suspicious mind has wondered about that.

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[IL Dem]

31. Link

https://www.newsweek.com/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-worked-together-relationship-1579431

..."Floyd and Chauvin were colleagues at one stage, with the former working as a bouncer and the latter working as off-duty security guard outside the venue."

[Ocelot II]

3. He's not that bad; he just doesn't have much to work with.

Anyhow, an appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel almost never works - the lawyer has to be blatantly and spectacularly ineffective, as in drunk, asleep or insane. This guy isn't any of those things; he just has a shitty case.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

6. Jinx!

[Ms. Toad]

14. Just started watching -

But that was a big blunder to ask the 17-year old about whether her life had changed since the incident.

They gained nothing by asking it (and I can't imagine what they thought they might gain), and it was a perfect set-up for the prosecution to ask about how the life of a young black woman (with many black male relatives) had change since the incident.

[2naSalit]

29. And he can see what they jury look like...

And their expressions, perhaps he knows he can't win this.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

4. Then again, it might be difficult to appear competent when your case totally sucks

And your client is guilty as sin.

But you might be right.

[2naSalit]

30. It would be a hard performance...

For a jury knowing it's not a good side to be on in this case.

[Shermann]

7. The purposefully incompetent defense...

...risky strategy, that one is.

[underpants]

8. They are going with the training defense

He was just doing what he was trained to do.

[LAS14]

20. I'd like to see the training manual that prescribes Chauvin's behavior. nt

[joshcryer]

10. His defense is your typical cop defense.

"Feared for his life, didn't know he was pressing down too hard, there were other officers there and Chauvin is the fall guy," etc.

Honestly the other officers *should* have been charged too, but Chauvin's actions are most documented, and therefore more prosecutable.

He's almost certainly going down for manslaughter. Not sure about 2nd Degree.

There's just not much the defense can do in such an overwhelmingly evidenced situation.

[sarisataka]

11. The other officers have been charged

Their trial is scheduled for later this year

[joshcryer]

13. Ooh, I didn't know that.

That's really good to hear. I thought they threw the charges out on them. May be thinking of another cop related trial?

[sarisataka]

15. The prosecution wanted to try them all at once

but the judge granted the motion to hold Chauvin's trial separately.

You may be thinking of the back and forth about the 3rd degree murder charge. The other three are facing charges as accomplices

[Amishman]

16. We will see, I'm expecting a hung jury

they're going to keep going back to the toxicology as much as possible, and at least one on the jury to buy into it.

[Ocelot II]

22. The others have been charged; their trials will be later.

[joshcryer]

24. Yes, thank you, good news.

[sarisataka]

17. To my eyes,

he appears quite competent. He simply has a big hill to climb and also it will not help him to be super aggressive with the eye witnesses.

His push will be in the coming weeks when each side calls their expert witnesses. That is the best opportunity to create reasonable doubt.

[LAS14]

19. Yeah. The thought has crossed my mind. How could such a bad attorney...

.... end up with such a high profile case. On the other hand, I can't think what a good attorney would have done differently except, maybe, not even try some of those avenues.

[Ocelot II]

23. He's actually a good attorney, but Revlon doesn't make enough lipstick

to pretty up this pig of a case. There's only so much he or any lawyer can do when there's that damning video.

[joshcryer]

25. That video caused half the country to seek reform.

It is impossible for anyone with empathy to look at that video and see it any other way.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

26. I did not

see any incompetence with the Defense attorney.

[Ocelot II]

27. He isn't incompetent; he just has a crappy case.

His job is damage control - get his client acquitted of the worst charges, convicted of the least serious one.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

28. Agree.