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Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:41 PM Mar 2021

So I have two right-wing sisters. One has gotten the vaccine already, but ...

the other has suddenly become an anti-vax conspiracy nut!

How do I talk sense into someone who believes that the vaccine is a conspiracy to "thin the herd" and reduce the population?

She keeps sending me articles from some fringe nutcase group called America's Frontline Doctors who also promote quack theories about having sex with demons!

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So I have two right-wing sisters. One has gotten the vaccine already, but ... (Original Post) Binkie The Clown Mar 2021 OP
I don't think you can changed their minds... FarPoint Mar 2021 #1
Tell Her That The Plan To "Thin The Herd" Will Be Released On The Anti-Vaxxer's..... global1 Mar 2021 #2
Hell yes! That's shear genius! I'm going to do it. hahahahaha. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2021 #5
You have my sympathy! nancy1942 Mar 2021 #3
Sadly....You Can't Me. Mar 2021 #4
Thanks! elleng Mar 2021 #9
My 3 sisters and my Mom are all right wing. They have all gotten at least the first dose of beaglelover Mar 2021 #6
:) Good input that conservatives come in many types, including smart. Hortensis Mar 2021 #17
Sex With Demons Is Overrated... Jim G. Mar 2021 #7
It is a conspiracy to thin the herd hurple Mar 2021 #8
Did she tear up her Biden Bucks check in protest of wasteful Democratic spending? Shermann Mar 2021 #10
Cultish type behavior is often filling an emotional/psychological need... RockRaven Mar 2021 #11
Attention. ret5hd Mar 2021 #19
Tell her the herd is thinned out either way. Her way it's only RWs. Your way she stands a chance. marble falls Mar 2021 #12
I'd tell her to go have sex with a demon lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #13
You can't. Cults are not logical. AllyCat Mar 2021 #14
Tell her Bill Gates will watch her wherever she goes. lpbk2713 Mar 2021 #15
The more you try, the harder she'll cling to those lies. maxsolomon Mar 2021 #16
Ironically, she has a son whose is a PhD microbiologist. She doesn't believe him either. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2021 #22
Kidnapping and deprogramming are probably out. maxsolomon Mar 2021 #23
Same here. ancianita Mar 2021 #18
The video was very interesting. Thanks. ret5hd Mar 2021 #20
Sure. I thought so, too. Thing is, I forgot to tell Binkie my daughter responded afterward. ancianita Mar 2021 #21

FarPoint

(12,336 posts)
1. I don't think you can changed their minds...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:46 PM
Mar 2021

When I sincerely try to educate others since I am a nurse with a strong infectious disease/community health/critical care background...I do educated...but meet total shut down from anti vaxer types... they already believe the conspiracy theories which assist them with reinforcing the denial with fear and paranoid examples...

Let it go...you can leave literature on the table for possible reference if they desire....

global1

(25,241 posts)
2. Tell Her That The Plan To "Thin The Herd" Will Be Released On The Anti-Vaxxer's.....
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:47 PM
Mar 2021

The people that are vaccinated will be protected from the stronger viruses that the deep state will release to kill all those people that didn't get vaccinated to protect themselves.

In case she is a anti-masker - those people will also be suseptible to the stronger viruses as well.

Because she's a conspiracy nut - these conspiracies should work for her too and they just might scare her into getting the vaccine.

nancy1942

(635 posts)
3. You have my sympathy!
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:48 PM
Mar 2021

Unfortunately you could talk until you're blue in the face and it would not make any difference in their thinking.
You can't change their thinking anymore than they could change yours.
Trying to talk sense and logical thinking to a right-wing thinker is nothing but a waste of your time and energy.

beaglelover

(3,466 posts)
6. My 3 sisters and my Mom are all right wing. They have all gotten at least the first dose of
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:51 PM
Mar 2021

the vaccine as have I. I'm proud of them!

hurple

(1,306 posts)
8. It is a conspiracy to thin the herd
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:52 PM
Mar 2021

But the anti-vaxxers have it backwards. The conspiracy is tjeirs, and the herd that will be thinned is... them.

Shermann

(7,412 posts)
10. Did she tear up her Biden Bucks check in protest of wasteful Democratic spending?
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:56 PM
Mar 2021

If not, let her know she's merely a fair-weather supporter of the Republican Party.

The best strategy to thin the herd during a pandemic is to do nothing, kind of like Trump was doing. It's like when you hammer a nail, you let the hammer do the work. Let the virus do the work.

RockRaven

(14,959 posts)
11. Cultish type behavior is often filling an emotional/psychological need...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 03:09 PM
Mar 2021

Sometimes evidence and reason are not enough to change people's behavior because bad information and faulty logic are not the only reason why they adopted those positions in the first place.

Unfortunately I don't have any specific advice except to try to understand what she finds so attractive about this misinformation. What need is it filling? Is there some way to address that need so that the misinfo doesn't have such a strong hold on her anymore?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. I'd tell her to go have sex with a demon
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 03:13 PM
Mar 2021

(in less polite terms).

But I don't have much patience with Trumpies. I've cut them all from my life.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
16. The more you try, the harder she'll cling to those lies.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 03:22 PM
Mar 2021

Tell her that Trump is vaccinated, then tell her to stop sending you bullshit, then that she won't see you or your immediate family until she's fully vaccinated. Set clear boundaries.

Do it on the phone, NOT IN A TEXT OR EMAIL.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
23. Kidnapping and deprogramming are probably out.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 06:41 PM
Mar 2021

Her son needs to impose sanctions as well.

They might not work, though. just like international sanctions!

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
18. Same here.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 03:35 PM
Mar 2021

I responded to my daughter: 1. sent the numbers of scientists that agree that vaccines work,

2. sent this message...

YouTube died and sent me the "sorry we're having trouble playing this video." Nonetheless, I get it.

The entirety of the false thrall and fraud -- which I've studied long before you and lately, along with you -- can't stand the entirety of the fabric it's in. Which is this:

In the year that is Earth's age, microbes have been on Earth since March. We have been here, evolved from them during the week between Xmas and New Years.
Microbes sit inside human cells, running things. Microbes don't care about human souls, fearless consciousness, power, or some conspiring human parasites of life force.

Microbes exist on their terms, not on humans'.
To understand reality is beyond human programming.
To understand that reality brings one to live respect, and live by, the law of Evolutional survival, its #1 law being this: adaptation trumps domination.
Slavery to microbial ignorance is worse for survival than our beliefs in the powers of human constructs or all else that humans fight each other about as "human truths."
Microbes don't care about those who created any of that.

Microbes don't know or care that you're concerned with those IN fraudulent scientific authority.

They just ARE. That is their authority. In evolutionary law, their authority is greater than ours.

The deceptions of all those you name will either fail, die, or adapt before the world of microbes that have already made the fabric of existence that humans exist within.

Whether humans "believe" in the reality of microbes, or not.



3. Then I posted this video from a best selling microbiologist.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
21. Sure. I thought so, too. Thing is, I forgot to tell Binkie my daughter responded afterward.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 04:59 PM
Mar 2021

I guess I'll never know if it did or didn't change her mind.

Silence is usually the response when people are given relevant information.

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