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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo I have two right-wing sisters. One has gotten the vaccine already, but ...
the other has suddenly become an anti-vax conspiracy nut!
How do I talk sense into someone who believes that the vaccine is a conspiracy to "thin the herd" and reduce the population?
She keeps sending me articles from some fringe nutcase group called America's Frontline Doctors who also promote quack theories about having sex with demons!
FarPoint
(12,336 posts)When I sincerely try to educate others since I am a nurse with a strong infectious disease/community health/critical care background...I do educated...but meet total shut down from anti vaxer types... they already believe the conspiracy theories which assist them with reinforcing the denial with fear and paranoid examples...
Let it go...you can leave literature on the table for possible reference if they desire....
global1
(25,241 posts)The people that are vaccinated will be protected from the stronger viruses that the deep state will release to kill all those people that didn't get vaccinated to protect themselves.
In case she is a anti-masker - those people will also be suseptible to the stronger viruses as well.
Because she's a conspiracy nut - these conspiracies should work for her too and they just might scare her into getting the vaccine.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)nancy1942
(635 posts)Unfortunately you could talk until you're blue in the face and it would not make any difference in their thinking.
You can't change their thinking anymore than they could change yours.
Trying to talk sense and logical thinking to a right-wing thinker is nothing but a waste of your time and energy.
Me.
(35,454 posts)At some point for the sake of your sanity you will have to
beaglelover
(3,466 posts)the vaccine as have I. I'm proud of them!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Jim G.
(14,811 posts)I've been married twice, so I have some experience.
hurple
(1,306 posts)But the anti-vaxxers have it backwards. The conspiracy is tjeirs, and the herd that will be thinned is... them.
Shermann
(7,412 posts)If not, let her know she's merely a fair-weather supporter of the Republican Party.
The best strategy to thin the herd during a pandemic is to do nothing, kind of like Trump was doing. It's like when you hammer a nail, you let the hammer do the work. Let the virus do the work.
RockRaven
(14,959 posts)Sometimes evidence and reason are not enough to change people's behavior because bad information and faulty logic are not the only reason why they adopted those positions in the first place.
Unfortunately I don't have any specific advice except to try to understand what she finds so attractive about this misinformation. What need is it filling? Is there some way to address that need so that the misinfo doesn't have such a strong hold on her anymore?
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)marble falls
(57,077 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)(in less polite terms).
But I don't have much patience with Trumpies. I've cut them all from my life.
AllyCat
(16,177 posts)lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)And he will keep her out of harm's way.
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)Tell her that Trump is vaccinated, then tell her to stop sending you bullshit, then that she won't see you or your immediate family until she's fully vaccinated. Set clear boundaries.
Do it on the phone, NOT IN A TEXT OR EMAIL.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)Her son needs to impose sanctions as well.
They might not work, though. just like international sanctions!
ancianita
(36,023 posts)I responded to my daughter: 1. sent the numbers of scientists that agree that vaccines work,
2. sent this message...
The entirety of the false thrall and fraud -- which I've studied long before you and lately, along with you -- can't stand the entirety of the fabric it's in. Which is this:
In the year that is Earth's age, microbes have been on Earth since March. We have been here, evolved from them during the week between Xmas and New Years.
Microbes sit inside human cells, running things. Microbes don't care about human souls, fearless consciousness, power, or some conspiring human parasites of life force.
Microbes exist on their terms, not on humans'.
To understand reality is beyond human programming.
To understand that reality brings one to live respect, and live by, the law of Evolutional survival, its #1 law being this: adaptation trumps domination.
Slavery to microbial ignorance is worse for survival than our beliefs in the powers of human constructs or all else that humans fight each other about as "human truths."
Microbes don't care about those who created any of that.
Microbes don't know or care that you're concerned with those IN fraudulent scientific authority.
They just ARE. That is their authority. In evolutionary law, their authority is greater than ours.
The deceptions of all those you name will either fail, die, or adapt before the world of microbes that have already made the fabric of existence that humans exist within.
Whether humans "believe" in the reality of microbes, or not.
3. Then I posted this video from a best selling microbiologist.
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)I guess I'll never know if it did or didn't change her mind.
Silence is usually the response when people are given relevant information.