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JohnSJ

(92,055 posts)
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 10:53 PM Mar 2021

What happened to George Floyd was more than murder, it was torture. Georgie Floyd was begging for

for his life, and for those 9 minutes he knew his life was slowly being taken away.

The terror George Floyd must have been going through during those 9 minutes is unimaginable, as he was slowly being killed

If there is a crime that would merit capital punishment, Chauvin would deserve it, but since that won’t be an option in Minnesota, may he be thrown in prison for life, and never see the light of day




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What happened to George Floyd was more than murder, it was torture. Georgie Floyd was begging for (Original Post) JohnSJ Mar 2021 OP
Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2021 #1
K&R Blue Owl Mar 2021 #2
Seeing this kind of thing in print is so heart wrenching..can't even imagine how his family feels PortTack Mar 2021 #3
Unfortunately, it's not a slam dunk case. The autopsy by the medical examiner didn't turn up Calista241 Mar 2021 #4
Cause of death is mzmolly Mar 2021 #5
Yes. The knee on his neck was against his carotid artery, plus the weight against his chest. JohnSJ Mar 2021 #8
Horriffic, mzmolly Mar 2021 #13
I can't imagine how they could have found an impartial jury for this case. notinkansas Mar 2021 #6
The defense will bring up Chauvin's height and weight... IcyPeas Mar 2021 #7
Depraved Indifference moondust Mar 2021 #9
Alternatively, moondust Mar 2021 #12
Premeditated murder IMO , he made a conscious decision that he was going to kill Floyd. nt Raine Mar 2021 #10
Rec. Kicking. Thank you, JohnSJ. ⭐️ Judi Lynn Mar 2021 #11

Calista241

(5,585 posts)
4. Unfortunately, it's not a slam dunk case. The autopsy by the medical examiner didn't turn up
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 11:10 PM
Mar 2021

much evidence that he was suffocated. Which is going to be a problem for the prosecution. They're essentially going to be arguing against their own, state employed medical examiner that usually testifies on behalf of the prosecution.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/derek-chauvin-s-defense-strategy-george-floyd-trial-emphasizes-pathology-n1262332

However, a number of forensic findings will give the defense some room to maneuver. Importantly, Baker found no clear injuries to Floyd's neck, either internally or externally. This tells us something (though not everything) about the amount of force Chauvin was applying to Floyd's neck. You can bet the defense will argue that the pressure was minimal. In my experience with manual strangulation cases, there are almost always injuries to the structures of the neck (a broken or fractured hyoid bone, for example, or fractured thyroid cartilage, etc.).

Another important finding: Baker noted "no facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae." In deaths involving manual strangulation/asphyxiation, there generally are petechial hemorrhages in the whites of the eyes and often in the gums and elsewhere. The absence of such hemorrhages suggests that there was not a sustained, acute cutting off of Floyd's airway. I can envision the defense arguing that these findings refute (at least in part) any suggestion that this was an asphyxial death (as Dr. Michael Baden, the forensic pathologist hired by the Floyd family, opined).

mzmolly

(50,978 posts)
5. Cause of death is
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 11:51 PM
Mar 2021

"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

No restraint, neck compression and subsequent torture = no death.

JohnSJ

(92,055 posts)
8. Yes. The knee on his neck was against his carotid artery, plus the weight against his chest.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 12:18 AM
Mar 2021

It was awful

I feel so badly what George Floyd went through in his last moments


IcyPeas

(21,829 posts)
7. The defense will bring up Chauvin's height and weight...
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 12:01 AM
Mar 2021

He is 5'9" and weighs 150 (these numbers vary a little depending on what site you look at). I don't know why I thought he looked taller than that.

moondust

(19,954 posts)
9. Depraved Indifference
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 12:28 AM
Mar 2021

Kneeling casually on neck with hand in pocket, adjusting knee to exert better pressure, hearing victim's pleas, unflinching, untroubled, ignoring distressed witnesses nearby including an EMT who knew this was dead serious and was desperate to help save a life, ...

The whole world has seen it, protested it, and is now watching this trial knowing the inescapable truth.

moondust

(19,954 posts)
12. Alternatively,
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 07:24 AM
Mar 2021

sadism, i.e. he was actively deriving pleasure from the pain and suffering he was inflicting.

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