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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOk... Where's the best proof and refutation of the "Bill Gates vaccine depopulation" BS?
I mean, the fact that some people believe it is astounding to begin with, as the whole conspiracy theory reeks of something that doesn't make sense in the first place. That said, I've had a family member drop this on me as their reason to not get the COVID-19 vaccine. I haven't found anything that he wouldn't just simply blow-off as "that's what they WANT you to think."
He also noted he was more than happy to let us protect him with our "herd immunity" ... And yes, you could hear the air quotes in his voice.
He's a good kid but he's off base here. I don't want to entrench him by attacking him; I'd rather find some way to make him start thinking again.
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RockRaven
(14,966 posts)Because by the time this crap reaches the end-consumer of the conspiracy theory, it is so misrepresented that the original quote can't even rebut the misapprehension because the believer doesn't recognize the connection between the real thing and the lunacy they have swallowed.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/
You're likely to get a response along the lines of "no, that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about some other [vague, never specified] thing"
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)would just be taken as further confirmation, not that he needs it, of the power of the conspiracy. We now know that offering facts reinforces resistance to them and to the person.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Wackadoodle conspiracy theories such as these don't merit refutation. People who believe things like this are impervious to logic anyway.
TheBlackAdder
(28,190 posts)Twoflower
(1,020 posts)Why would Gates need anything else?
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)They want you to think the vaccine is how they will get you, but actually, the vaccine keeps people who take it safe, and they want the people who won't take it out of their hair. So they circulate all these wild rumors that the vaccine is the problem, to eliminate the gullible who'll believe anything, and aren't capable of function in the modern world....
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)"Microchips? You know, they used to put people in insane asylums for saying things like that."
But you're better than I am. You could ask who he trusts about information, and point out that you are someone (you assumed) he trusted, and you got the vaccine, and you do not have a chip in you and are not under Bill Gates's control.
If he says, "As far as you know," and you could reply, "Yes, well, I do know, and anyone who tells you that I am under control of Bill Gates is someone who is lying to you."
I mean, personalize. I bet he does trust you deep inside, and maybe if you say, "You can trust me, or you can trust the people who are telling you I'm in the control of Bill Gates."
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)BlueNProud
(1,048 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)This is a WaPo article about QAnon, but this stuff is happening all over the conspiracist right.
QAnon is flourishing on Telegram chat groups even after purges on Facebook, Twitter and others
Within the alternative universe of the Q NEWS OFFICIAL TV group on Telegram, coronavirus vaccines arent saving lives and bending the pandemic toward its eventual end. Rather, they are bioweapons concocted by an evil cabal of corrupt government officials and drug companies.
Their goal? Depopulation. Social control. Altering the very genetic structure of our species.
Such unhinged conspiracy theories once ran rampant on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. But months of purging accounts that trafficked heavily in the baseless QAnon ideology especially after it helped fuel the Jan. 6 siege on the U.S. Capitol have reduced those voices on leading social media sites.
Now adherents of QAnon, an extremist ideology that the FBI has deemed a domestic terrorism threat, can be found in the less-visible but still-virulent world of encrypted chat app groups on Telegram and elsewhere. These largely unmoderated online spaces have become cauldrons of ludicrous claims about the pandemic and breeding grounds for an increasingly intense alliance between QAnon and covid denialism.
Videos with names such as Murder By Vaccine The Evidence Mounts! and Doctors and Nurses Giving the coronavirus vaccine Will Be Tried as War Criminals have been viewed tens of thousands of times after being linked on QAnon-themed channels, including Q NEWS OFFICIAL TV, which has more than 50,000 members. Other QAnon groups on Telegram have more than 200,000 members and endless streams of misinformation about the pandemic.
Nothing so far has been able sink QAnon, whether it be massive purges by social media companies or the failure of its so-called plan to manifest, said Rita Katz, executive director of the SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks online extremism. Now, as energy around its election-related conspiracy theories loses momentum, the Q movement has doubled its focus on themes like covid-19 denialism and vaccine skepticism. ...
A report published Thursday by the Network Contagion Research Institute, which tracks misinformation and extremism online, warned that crackdowns on mainstream sites may backfire by fueling vaccine resistance and making it harder for researchers to monitor. The report also said several potent online conspiracies are showing signs of merging into a broader populist, anti-government movement distrustful of outsiders and traditional sources of authority. ... This creates a ready audience for politically fueled lies and will undermine the vaccine rollout, said Joel Finkelstein, co-founder of the research group. This could cost thousands and thousands of lives. ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/03/11/with-trump-gone-qanon-groups-focus-fury-attacking-covid-vaccines/
As you can see, just offering facts is worse than a waste of time. Are there ways his family could lessen (eliminate!) his exposure to the toxic gasses he's seeking out on line and increase his exposure to the real world and real-world information?
There are on-line groups where those who love them share their problems and successes, like Reddit's Qanon Casualties. One family got a kid a new car or some such thing and that really changed how he spent his after-school time; so use healthy interests to distract him? A husband secretly blocked some of his wife's sites and took her out more. Someone who got herself out developed a new practice of looking everything up to verify information, so encourage the idea in the family of "when you hear it you check it out?" Leave interesting magazines around, read them yourselves and chat about interesting, noncontroversial events, like how volcano eruptions are teaching us how gerbils think? Failing professional counseling, each successful move in that direction might add up to real intervention.
Btw, since January 6 militant domestic terror groups are newly focused on recruiting young men hooked by conspiracy theories, to persuade them to join them to combat the "evil." The targeted conspiracists have been driven to concentrate on Telegram and on closed sites, now that most social media have shut thousands of their old gathering places down, and the recruiters go there too. And of course political manipulators are stalking them also.
Good luck.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)What source told you that?"
When they tell you whatever nonsense source they tell you, you say, "Well, it just isn't true, and frankly it's crazy. But I'm not going to try to convince you of that because I see you can't be convinced. So let's change the subject."
If they don't change the subject, walk away.
I think that's my new plan, too.