Ask an anti-vaxxer, where are the dead bodies from the covid vaccine or really any vaccine?

[Imallin4Joe]

10's of millions of people in the US have already been vaccinated against covid with the latest figures approaching 100 million. I've done my own extensive research and deaths due to side effects or possible reaction from covid vaccines are extremely rare. Almost non-existent compared to the near 100 million vaccinated.

So, to anti-vaxxer neighbors, coworkers, maybe even family members..

Where are they hiding all the dead killed by covid vaccines and Bill Gates micro-chipping us?

Where the fuck are the dead bodies?

Because there ARE 500,000 dead bodies from Trump's failure to respond to the global pandemic. He called it a hoax for the first 2 months when we instead could have responded early and saved hundreds of thousands of deaths by taking it seriously. Mask mandates, distancing, more available testing, stay at home etc..

500,000 dead from covid and these antivax assholes still question science with ZERO evidence to back up their stupidity.

If the covid vaccine were deadly it would have killed 10's of thousands of people by now.

Trump's covid is deadly.

Our vaccines are safe.

Ask the anti-covid-vaxxer..
Where are all the dead bodies? Hiding in some Bill Gates bunker somewhere?

Bonus question..
Ask them, why is science never on your side in any argument? Where is your anti-vax science? What's your highest level of science education?

[ecstatic]

1. I'm not sure that would be helpful

Anti-vaxxers feed off the notion that they are being lied to or that crucial information is being hidden.

I think a better approach would be to be brutally honest: Yes, there have been a relatively small number of deaths from all vaccines and most drugs out there. Every medication you take comes with the potential risk of death. Viagra? Adderall? Oxycodone? Hydroxychloroquine? If you're an antivaxxer who has taken any federally regulated medications, you really have no room to talk. And you're probably more likely to die in a car accident than from getting a COVID19 vaccine.

[janterry]

2. I think it's okay to have a measured, scientific discussion

about vaccines. We do know covid can be deadly. It may have very serious long-term consequences for many MORE than we currently are aware of (more than the so-called long-haulers). Even those that have recovered could have consequences down the line (we have no idea). They may not - but again - we can only know with more time and data.

We know that the vaccines appear safe in the short term. We have mass vaccinated and have that data. We also have data that suggests that they are highly protective against covid.

We cannot infer, however, that they are totally safe in the long-term. We will know that when we have long-term data. Some of those vaccines are delivered using a novel viral vector - and that adds a layer of complexity to the research question.

All things equal, it certainly seems like a great idea to get vaccinated. I'm going to get vaccinated. Covid is clearly dangerous. The risk is real.

But I think it's okay to talk about what we know and what we don't know carefully.

[jimfields33]

3. A women did die in utah

That’s the one that is discussed a lot on Twitter. Very sad for her and feel for her family, but like you said millions vaccinated.

[Ms. Toad]

7. Several have died after having the vaccine.

That is not the same as dying from the vaccine.

Last i checked (sometime last week), no deaths have been established as having been caused by the vaccine.

[jimfields33]

8. Good point for sure.

[womanofthehills]

10. People & drs report vaccine injury and death to the government site VAERS - 2,050 reported deaths

Medical professionals & vaccine providers are encouraged to report side effects & deaths after vaccine to this site, however, there are reports from the NYT's that the government has yet to hire staff to analyze this info. Every week these reports are released and the public can read all the individual reports of injury and death on the governments VAERS site or sites that compile this info into categories.

CDC VAERS data released March 19 -- 44,606 injuries and 2,050 reported deaths. (These are deaths that happened after getting the vaccine but not proven to be from the vaccine - interesting to read the individual reports) At the bottom of each report is the Write-up if you want to read what was actually reported.

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19 (this link copies and compiles the VAERS data)

When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

[Ms. Toad]

11. That's pretty much what I said.

Death following vaccination is not necessarily death caused by the vaccine.

Last time I checked, none of the deaths that followed vaccination were confirmed to have been caused by the vaccine.

[tanyev]

4. They already think hospitals are lying about causes of death because somehow the hospital

makes more money off of Covid deaths. ? Pretty easy leap to stir 'vaccine deaths' into that pot.

[brooklynite]

5. This makes no sense...

"Where are the dead bodies" from the initial COVID infection? They've been buried or cremated.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

6. The dead bodies from the vaccine? We're here. Walking around.

The vaccine killed me, on the first dose. I am a zombie now, re-animated so I can post nonsense. I'm getting killed again soon, by the second dose. After that, my posts will be even more stupid than now. The bar is set very low.

Now I'm going over to the cooking forum, look for recipes for brains.

Bon apetit.

[myohmy2]

9. this...

...is true...

...we know where the bodies from the virus are...

...

[retread]

12. You can't argue or even have a rational discussion with people that have their own "facts".