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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 04:18 PM Mar 2021

United States is preparing for an "imminent crisis" due to the pulling of Russian troops to the Ukra


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Olga Lautman
@OlgaNYC1211
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Mar 31, 2021
United States is preparing for an "imminent crisis" due to the pulling of Russian troops to the Ukrainian border

US Army in Europe has raised their alert levels

США готовятся к «неминуемому кризису» из-за стягивания войск РФ к украинской границе
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Olga Lautman
@OlgaNYC1211
A crisis building that could have been avoidable if the West would have stopped allowing Putin to act w impunity for the past few decades

Olga Lautman
@OlgaNYC1211
Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark A. Milley spoke today with both Ukraine’s Chief of the General Staff Lt. Gen. Khomchak and Russia's General Gerasimov https://jcs.mil/Media/News/News-Display/Article/2557107/readout-of-chairman-of-the-joint-chiefs-of-staff-gen-mark-a-milleys-phone-call/



Olga Lautman
@OlgaNYC1211
Hope people are paying attention! There is lots of military activity building and rhetoric on Russia state media between propogandists and government officials discussing war is off the charts.While Russia is moving in troops they are discussing BS possible provocation by Ukraine

Aki Heikkinen
@akihheikkinen
Russians are ure making A LOT of noise with large troop movements near Ukraine. Huge LOOK HERE effect achieved.

Worth keeping an eye on peripheries too.


Russia's 56th airborne brigade has been spotted loading and on it's way to Crimea from Kamyshan. Something to keep an eye especially with increased activity on several fronts

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United States is preparing for an "imminent crisis" due to the pulling of Russian troops to the Ukra (Original Post) soothsayer Mar 2021 OP
Oh, great, just what we need. rickyhall Mar 2021 #1
I think Russia will just back down soothsayer Mar 2021 #2
Tend to agree..but PortTack Mar 2021 #5
Exactly. Maybe saber rattling, maybe a wee annexation soothsayer Mar 2021 #6
testing the resolve of the west stopdiggin Mar 2021 #12
I don't especially after this as well maryellen99 Mar 2021 #14
Doesn't Ukraine have nukes or are they controlled by doc03 Mar 2021 #3
They do not, returned to Russia after breakup after Russia signed a non-aggression treaty EX500rider Mar 2021 #8
They gave up their nukes to Russia in exchange for recognition of their existing borders. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2021 #13
Nixon was correct. PCIntern Mar 2021 #4
An airborne brigade with tanks that big? Throck Mar 2021 #7
Looks like BMP's which are armored personal carriers, light enough to be air mobile.. EX500rider Mar 2021 #9
BMD armored fighting vehicles sarisataka Mar 2021 #10
Those are BMP-3 Light Infantry Vehicles. 15 Tons as opposed to the T-90's 46 Tons. Decoy of Fenris Mar 2021 #11
Russian military morale is very low. Baked Potato Mar 2021 #15
Pretty big force, 6 combat brigades: EX500rider Apr 2021 #16

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
6. Exactly. Maybe saber rattling, maybe a wee annexation
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 04:31 PM
Mar 2021

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Olga Lautman
@OlgaNYC1211
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Mar 31, 2021
Russia is making recent military moves and disinfo on Ukraine has increased significantly over the past few weeks. Meanwhile Putin's crony press secretary Peskov expresses concerns over a threat of war. Unbelievable gaslighting! Hope the West will actually respond this time





stopdiggin

(11,292 posts)
12. testing the resolve of the west
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 05:19 PM
Mar 2021

in a new 'cycle.' Very much a risk/reward calculation.
(Russian doesn't really have to 'win' this situation -- but there is still a useful component in internal propaganda -- global attention -- and not allowing the U.S. and China to suck up all the oxygen in the room.)

Tommy Carcetti

(43,164 posts)
13. They gave up their nukes to Russia in exchange for recognition of their existing borders.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 05:21 PM
Mar 2021

Which included Crimea and Donbass (Eastern Ukraine).

Putin has violated that treaty.

PCIntern

(25,518 posts)
4. Nixon was correct.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 04:27 PM
Mar 2021

After the fall of the Soviet Bloc, he stated unequivocally that forces would be unleashed of which we had little comprehension. I recall thinking that you know you’re in trouble when the only politician who knows what’s going on is Dick Nixon who was a lot of things, but not stupid or ignorant. Not by a long shot.

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
9. Looks like BMP's which are armored personal carriers, light enough to be air mobile..
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 04:51 PM
Mar 2021

...depending on the plane

sarisataka

(18,565 posts)
10. BMD armored fighting vehicles
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 04:54 PM
Mar 2021

Last edited Wed Mar 31, 2021, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Classed as infantry fighting vehicles rather than tanks. They only carry 5-6 people in addition to the crew.

They are capable of being air dropped with parachutes

ETA> those particular vehicles in the video are BMPs as others indicated (I missed a distinctive characteristic). A bit heavier and carry more troops. Certain versions can be dropped by parachute, others rapidly delivered by transport planes

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
11. Those are BMP-3 Light Infantry Vehicles. 15 Tons as opposed to the T-90's 46 Tons.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 05:10 PM
Mar 2021

Fairly sleek and lightweight, more mobile and land-agile, capable of land/air/sea deployment, carrying approximately the same destructive potential at the expense of heavy armor. Against more lightly armored opponents in a conflict focused heavily on soft targets, such as the Ukraine, sending in IFV and medium-tank variants is a significant strategic improvement over an MBT like the T-90 or the upcoming T-14.

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
16. Pretty big force, 6 combat brigades:
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 02:37 PM
Apr 2021

"Russia is once more conducting military exercises near its border with eastern Ukraine and the Ukrainian territory it has occupied since 2014. This time the “training exercises” are more threatening because they involve the equivalent of six combat brigades, accompanied by additional artillery (gun and rocket) units moving to the border as well as a buildup of combat aircraft and warships in the Crimean Peninsula, the one Ukrainian province Russia was able take in 2014 and annex. Russia then sought to take two provinces in eastern Ukraine, which comprise the economically important Donbas (Don River Basin) region. Surprisingly, for the Russians, Ukrainian forces quickly responded to the 2014 Donbas seizure effort and after months of intense combat there was a stalemate, with Russian holding half the territory it sought. The equivalent of half a dozen Ukrainian combat brigades now hold the line against a slightly smaller force of ethnic Russian residents of Donbas, plus volunteers (mercenaries) from Russia and thousands of Russian soldiers pretending to be volunteers. What has worried the Ukrainians is the Russian buildup of forces stationed near the Ukraine border. This force now consists of about seven combat brigades. This time Russia also bringing warships to the Donbas Black Sea coast and in position to attack the two main port cities there. The air force buildup in Crimea and increased EW (Electronic Warfare) equipment along the border is either another training exercise or Russia seeking to take Donbas, and maybe more, by force and then declare peace. This would increase the costs of occupying Donbas and incur additional sanctions. This is already costing Russia several billion dollars a year.

Another complication is the fact that the Russian army has, since the 1990s, been smaller than the American army. That’s a first. The Russian army is also much smaller than the better equipped Chinese army, something Russia does not wish to dwell on with foreigners. Currently the Russian Army has about 20 combat brigades that are combat ready, plus a smaller number that are not. The current concentration of brigades on the Ukrainian border is the majority of such brigades the Russians possess. The Ukrainian ground forces have 170,000 active-duty troops versus 350,000 for Russia (and over 500,000 in the U.S.). Since 2014 Ukraine has reorganized and upgraded its ground forces and currently has as many combat ready brigades as Russia. Ukraine also has more reserve troops, who are better trained and dedicated than their Russian equivalents. In other words, Ukraine is not exactly helpless against a Russian invasion but most of the fighting would take place in Ukraine and civilian casualties would mostly be Ukrainian, as would the property damage. If the Russians did not sense a quick victory, they would probably propose peace and Ukraine would accept. As much as Ukrainians would like to humiliate their ancient Russian oppressors militarily, practical considerations take precedence."

https://strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20210401.aspx
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