My asshole brother went to that attempted coup and stepped inside the capitol...

[Baltimike]

I don't talk to my asshole brother. I am fine with never ever talking to him again. We're not close.

He used to turn on "Bill O'Reilly" when I was at his house and announce, "See? No spin here".

We're not close.

He is authoritarian and abusive, and even went to prison for being a drug dealer, narrowly escaping king pin charges.

We're NOT close.

When my father died 7 years ago, my brother made everything he could harder for me to withstand. He is a full on Trumper, and has never put anyone before himself in his entire life.

We're not close.

Now I find out his traitor, Trump supporting treason weasel ass, who is pretty recently off parole/probation after serving time in federal prison for the aforementioned drug dealing, took his two sons and my Holocaust denying cousin straight to the halls of the capitol building.

I have not spoken words to this felon since 2014, when my father died.

After he got out of prison, he bought a boobie bar....er....gentleman's club and it's already been busted, because....UGH!!!!

I am related by blood to four, and maybe even five treason weasel sedition motherfuckers and I just really, really needed to vent about it.

Oh the assholery. Oh the SHAME!!!!!

[Picaro]

1. Turn him in...

[SoCalDavidS]

2. THIS!!!! nt

[Beakybird]

3. Exacto

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

11. Will the country be safer if he is allowed to go free?

If not point the Justice System his way. He'll get a fair trial.

[jrthin]

5. Yes. And do it now!

[hlthe2b]

7. +++

[SheltieLover]

23. +1,000!

Turn him in!

[relayerbob]

43. My first thought also

[7wo7rees]

68. My very 1st thought as well. The only responsible thing to do.

Very sorry, but I do understand. Surrounded by it in our families, thank God none we are aware of went.
Had any one of them gone and taken part there and we became aware, we would turn them in. Not one moment of hesistation.
Difficult place to be.
Best wishes - Ms 7wo7rees

[olegramps]

109. My Grandfather told me: God gives you your relatives, but you can choose your friends.

[DownriverDem]

116. My thoughts exactly

Turn him in!!!!!!

[Harker]

4. I hear you're not close. n/t

[PTWB]

123. That's the rumor lol

[Blue_true]

6. He is not you. You have made better choices in life.

Take care of your own nuclear family, leave him to sink with his.

I do feel for you. It is difficult to get past blood relations, even when a relative is a horrible person.

[TxVietVet]

8. I'd turn the POS in to the FBI.

My mother and father's deceased son was a conservanazi POS.

[MagickMuffin]

9. You need to turn them in to the FBI, these mobsters tried overturning our elections

They should pay the price for their insurrectionist behavior. You'd be doing a service and plus he will no longer have the upper hand on you or your emotions.

[SheltieLover]

25. +1

[Dan]

10. Look up "Misprison of a felony".

[marble falls]

12. My RW brother gave me the best compliment ever, he said he was going to send my nephew ...

... over here to live, the kid's sounding too much like my wife and me.

[brewens]

13. Are they after people that just went in and never seemed to do much? Even if not, he's out on

parole, so that might make them interested. Plus, the FBI would have some leverage if he knows or saw anything useful.

[Baltimike]

19. I am pretty sure his parole is up...

He served time with Michael Douglas' son. True story

[Ilsa]

14. You are not required to have ANYTHING to do with them.

And you are not alone. You have more in common with friends and like-minded people. Sometimes we have to cut the bad people out of our lives.

Turn them in. You'll make the world a better place.

[Alien Life Form]

15. I ditched my sister as well,totally resistant to reason

[rzemanfl]

16. How did he get a liquor license for the "club?"

I agree with the consensus here, turn the traitor in.

[Baltimike]

21. His stint in federal prison had him in with Wall Street criminals

They taught him how to hide it all better. I am sure he set up a phony LLC and got to gettin'...

But I am just spit balling. I really have no idea on that. Really.

[xmas74]

169. Juice bar?

I know in some states if you serve alcohol you can't have full nudity and what is shown is strict. Owners got around that by opening juice clubs- no alcohol is served or allowed in. This allows the clubs in some states to be 18+ and allows for full nudity.

He could own a juice club and bypass the liquor license.

[rzemanfl]

186. That's a possibility. n/t

[MLAA]

17. The good news is you are close to your DU family.

I have a hypocritical evangelical, trumper asshole brother. Never been close, but after this good ‘Christian’ voted for trump I called it quits.

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. I'm in the "turn him in" crowd. Not sure why you haven't. He is a secessionist.

[Baltimike]

20. I don't think they're doing anything to people who just walked in...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/doj-capitol-rioters-charges-debate/2021/01/23/3b0cf112-5d97-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

[Treefrog]

91. Probably best to let them decide, don't you think?

Besides, how do you know how he got in and what he did? You said you’re not speaking and that he is untrustworthy anyway.

[mackdaddy]

167. But, How do you know that they "just walked in"?

Because he said so. I am sure he is very credible.

Might be good for the FBI to at least know who they are so they can sort out faces and names.

Also, probably a serious probation violation so they might not be so forgiving.

Any photos or selfies of them there?

[yonder]

174. Agreed. No one really knows the extent of his involvement..

Could be more or less. Let the pros figure it out - it's a positive step forward.

[paleotn]

22. Can't choose your family, but you can choose who you associate with.

I also share genes with a few I've not conversed with in decades. Not going to either. Life is too short to waste time on nitwits. Even those you're related to.

[monkeyman1]

24. if my blood kin he be turned in by now . count on it!!!

[Baltimike]

26. I just found out about this 2.5 hours ago

and it's Saturday night on a holiday weekend.

[monkeyman1]

39. sorry bud

well, making one mind up this kind of stuff is not easy. it is something that is not easy to do . but, this stuff has to stop & alot of good people are dead because of this . i'm a veteran & i have no shame in saying this. hate to say this ,but it is your call. there is a 24/7 call line . take care & do the right thing.

[Lars39]

56. You have a clear responsibility...

FBI phone lines work 24/7 , holiday or not.

[COL Mustard]

98. Don't Pressure Him

He'll make his decision. The statute of limitations isn't close to expiring.

[7wo7rees]

72. I think the tip line is 24/7.

If he wasn't your brother would you turn that person in?

You repeated time after time "We Are Not Close".

Do it and don't look back. They were trying to stop our government from functioning. Our Capitol was last attacked in The War of 1812 with the Brits, Brits attacked our Capitol on August 24, 1814.

There is no quarter for this for us.

But we are not in your shoes.

[Treefrog]

87. Tip line operates all the time.

24/7

[Treefrog]

96. That's really not a reason not to call, as others have pointed out.

Neither is your other reason that nothing would happen to him. You have no way of knowing what he did inside the Capitol.

[Baltimike]

103. and you don't either, so maybe back off?

[Treefrog]

141. Uh, numerous people have said the same to you in this thread. You posted this thread, right?

Did you not want people to comment? No, I sure don’t know what he did in there, but I sure as hell would want the FBI to know if I had ANY personal knowledge of the traitors who participated in the insurrection.

[Baltimike]

154. Did you think I had to acquiesce to your comments and demands?

This is a two way street pal.

[Treefrog]

173. I see nowhere where I said you HAD to acquiesce to my comments, nor did I make a demand.

As I commented to another on this thread, if the FBI decides to do anything if they were to read this thread, you’ve provided plenty of information for them. No need for you to do anything if you don’t want. Many of us think you SHOULD, but I don’t see anyone DEMANDING anything.

[Baltimike]

195. as I see nowhere where I asked for your advice. Good day

[Treefrog]

207. Lol, over half the posters in this thread have said the same as I.

Funny how you only respond to me. Don’t post threads if you don’t want people to comment would be another piece of advice.

[Baltimike]

209. LOL! I didn't ask them either.

[Treefrog]

211. Surely you understand how a discussion board works?

And you know this is a board for Democratic party supporters? So what did you think people would say when you mentioned your brother is an insurrectionist?

[Baltimike]

213. surely you can read for comprehension?

I said I was venting. Also, I didn't "mention" my brother was an insurrectionist. I wrote a whole fucking post on the matter.

We're not close.

[PatSeg]

111. I think we all know too little about

what his brother did or didn't do to pass judgment. This is a very personal decision for the poster who just found out about it. We are here as a sympathetic, understanding ear for people who feel the need to vent, not to give unsolicited advice. Baltimike will do what he thinks is best and I'm sure we will support him in whatever he decides.

[Treefrog]

149. I have no sympathy for the insurrectionists, sorry, not sorry.

[Baltimike]

157. your concern is noted.

[PatSeg]

162. No one is suggesting you show sympathy

for the insurrectionists, but without knowing more about the situation, it is presumptuous to tell the poster how he should react. We don't even know if there is any concrete evidence that his brother did enter the Capitol building on January 6th. If he did, it is very possible that he is already on the FBI's radar.

It is very easy to tell a total stranger what they should or should not do regarding their family, when all you know is what you've read in one thread on the Internet. Lets give this man a chance to assimilate what he has just learned, so he can make a clear and rational decision.

[Baltimike]

155. Thank you. I am *AMAZED* at how some feel entitled to substitute their judgement for mine

or act a fool...like on this thread.

[PatSeg]

163. You are very welcome

The world is full of people who are quick to say, "If it was me, I would _______", without knowing all the details or the complexities of the situation.

I might have missed it, but I didn't see where you asked people what you should or shouldn't do. I'm sure you are capable of making your own decisions and if you need advice, you will ask for it.

[Indykatie]

27. I Understand The Need to Vent But Don't Understand Why You Haven't Turned Them In

I'm fairly sure you would feel the same about any other DUer in this same position.

[Baltimike]

31. It is Saturday night during a holiday weekend.

I found out about this 2 and a half hours ago.

[ToxMarz]

36. Well, I can't think of a better way to celebrate a holiday, or any day

and I'm pretty sure you can turn in a criminal (particularly a seditionist domestic terrorist) to the FBI 24/7/365

[grantcart]

28. Sorry to hear, are you close to him?

[Baltimike]

33. Nope. I never want to see that rotten asshole ever again. nt

[Laffy Kat]

29. Are you close?

Just kidding. You have my sympathy.

[Baltimike]

32. Thank you. nt

[grantcart]

34. Jinx!!!!

[Laffy Kat]

80. I know!

[Pepsidog]

30. I cut out a few family members and it's true, they are, and always have been

“me first” kind of people.

[vercetti2021]

35. Turn him in

It's time for a little bit of fucking Karma turn assassin

[monkeyman1]

42. bite him in the ass1

[liberal N proud]

37. Sounds like my asshole brother

I don’t know if he went to the insurrection, I have not talked to him for 5 years since my father died.

My sister says he didn’t go because no one would pay his way.

[Baltimike]

61. we can be de facto siblings!!!! nt

[MoonchildCA]

38. It feels surreal to have someone you know turn out to be a capitol rioter.

My daughter’s ex was one of the ones arrested. He was not a Trumper-type when she dated him. Trump was not even a thing then. He was a hippie-liberal, kind a guy, but always seemed to be over-the-top in whatever his current belief was. Guess he fell into the rabbit hole.

It’s strange knowing someone who was involved. Even if your brother’s actions don’t totally surprise you, it’s still weird to know someone who will go down in history as an insurgent on a day that will go down in infamy.

[Lucky Luciano]

40. Turn his ass in. Maximum penalty for treason is what he deserves!

[littlemissmartypants]

41. This might help you cope. Stay strong.

❤ pants

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017649673

[Scrivener7]

44. No shame to you. You didn't do it. We aren't our relatives.

[Evolve Dammit]

45. Very sorry to hear. It's still a loss of family regardless. Pretty sure FBI takes calls 24/7/365.

Also the shame is great on them for sure. They probably are incapable of feeling any, but it's there.

[maxsolomon]

46. My sympathies, Baltimike.

One thing I am grateful for is that all of my siblings and I are on the same page politically.

[Baltimike]

77. you are very lucky. nt

[Haggard Celine]

181. It's good that you're grateful.

A lot of people envy you. A whole lot.

[maxsolomon]

182. Well, my 84 year old Dad is lost to Fox,

and we can't even discuss the news with any civility. So it's not entirely paradise.

[Haggard Celine]

183. I guess you can't have it all.

I can't discuss news much with my parents, either, due to Fox indoctrination. My brother is alienated from them, so I don't have to deal with him. Family life is a minefield in my family. It's not easy for any of us, though. Never has been.

[BradBo]

47. That's wild.

This is one story for the ages on DU. Hang in there. My wife disowned her brother and mom. I disowned close friends.

[OMGWTF]

142. My former BFF of 36 years ditched me because I'm not a MAGAt

We made it through Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama with no problem (we just didn’t talk politics) because her husband was a Reagan appointee, but she’s in a fking cult now so we’re done.

[Baltimike]

160. this shit is next level crazy. nt

[certainot]

48. their intellectual leader is a guy who told millions for decades that smoking doesn't cause cancer

and covid is a hoax, and then died of lung cancer

[ShazamIam]

49. And you delivered a fine artfully angry, rant.

[Baltimike]

55. We're not close. nt

[Best_man23]

50. Turn him in.

If he sent you a picture, forward it with his name to the FBI task force. If he verbally confessed, write out the conversation (as much as you can remember) and be prepared to send it to the FBI.

If I found out a member of my family had taken part in January's sedition, the only delay in my reporting would be the time needed to look up the phone number. Two of my uncles fought against Nazis in WWII and my memory of them would weigh heavy were I to keep silent about seditious activity.

[Mom of Baltimike]

51. I disagree with the people who say to turn him in

Love,

Mom

[Baltimike]

53. LOL!!! I am sure you would...there's "good" news about your asshole son

They're only going after the top tier traitor ass treason weasel mother fuckers, and the FBI is posting the pics of the coup cux clan members as they want them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/doj-capitol-rioters-charges-debate/2021/01/23/3b0cf112-5d97-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

[Mom of Baltimike]

59. I already knew that about your asshole brother.

Near as I can tell, it's a misdemeanor.

[Baltimike]

62. so why the need to omit? Why the need for 'protection'?

I understand there's even video

[Mom of Baltimike]

65. Because of your not unjustified personal animosity toward him.

I didn't want to give you this weapon.

[Baltimike]

66. You? Give *me* a WEAPON? No...HE gave me a weapon

and the table never gets cleared from this. EVER. He is a seditious traitor treason weasel asshole for life.

It NEVER goes away. EVER. This is NEVER "something we can't talk about" Because the stupid alone...just. the. stupid.

[Mom of Baltimike]

70. Now that you know, we can talk about it all you like.

I'm not disputing your characterization but disagree with turning him in.

[Baltimike]

74. Really? Because all you did was just berate me as to how I found out...

as though my knowing about it was worse than him doing it.

There was absolutely no reason to lie to me, especially in light of the report that they're not going after the ones who didn't break anything in the capitol, but now I wan t a DNA test on the excrement that was smeared. I wouldn't put it passed him...

[Mom of Baltimike]

89. I was afraid you might start acting like an asshole, dear.

"past" not "passed"

[snort]

93. Holy fuck

[Baltimike]

94. I know, right? She's worried *I'm* going to be an asshole while her fave son is a fucking TRAITOR

He announced that she was dead to him too....and she still carries his water.

[Mom of Baltimike]

143. That's not fair. He's my only son.

I suppose that everyone I know gets to share your outrage because I have not told anyone about this.

Not a single person.

[Baltimike]

159. I see what you did there...

but you talked to the person that told you about it.

[Mom of Baltimike]

166. Two different people told me.

It's hilarious about the video.

I saw it on the night of the 6th but dismissed it as "somebody who looked like your asshole brother."

[grantcart]

187. Can someone please help me

How can he be the "only son" when both sons are "assholes"

[COL Mustard]

100. Agreed.

That took weird turn!

[Cafe Cat]

147. That was a mean 7th post, Mom.

[BlueStater]

190. I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

This thread is just plain weird and I can’t help but feel that people here are being taken for a ride.

[Baltimike]

196. There is no "ride", there is no fake out, there is no bs here

This is very real.

[Rustyeye77]

60. I'm sorry...I agree with your Mom

I understand that you are not close....

But he is your brother and he is your moms son.

Sorry...that’s how I feel.

[Baltimike]

67. They already announced they're not going after everyone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/doj-capitol-rioters-charges-debate/2021/01/23/3b0cf112-5d97-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

[Oppaloopa]

114. Are they going to arrest the head of Publix's then? She donated 700,000 according to our local news

Her last name is Jenkins. They are now giving out vaccines for better PR

[maxsolomon]

131. Yes they should arrest everyone who stepped in that building.

Trespassing, at a minimum. Enforce the law to the letter.

If the situation were reversed, Trump, the GOP, and the Right Wing Noise Machine would be calling for their public execution.

[ProfessorGAC]

179. Jenkins Is Not "The Head Of Publix"

She was heir to part of the fortune.
A huge block of the company shares are in the ESOP, meaning the workers are the biggest stockholder segment.
I loathe her as you do, but she has absolutely nothing to do with how the chain operates.
Doubtful she's ever actually worked a day in her life.
Publix issued a public statement repudiating her involvement & that her political views are contrary to those of the company, especially those of their employee owners.
The vax at their stores is not PR. They have nothing to apologize for. She's not their employee, nor is she anybody's boss. They're involved in vax because that's the responsible thing for a pharmacy chain to do.
Want to hate her? I got your back. But, don't conflate that silverspoon idiot with the chain that regularly rates among the best big companies to work for.

[Oppaloopa]

184. You are so so WRONG The whole family are racists. Look around for a African American the next time

You are there. The NACP hates them. They have a hell of a lot to apologize for . They even fired employees in the beginning for wearing a mask. Remember the tomato boycott? On and On

[ProfessorGAC]

185. Try To Stay On Topic

[Oppaloopa]

206. I am on topic are you?

I live in Florida we all know what publix's stand for they never change.

[TwilightZone]

204. She's not even remotely the "head of Publix"

She has nothing to do with the operations of the company.

[grantcart]

124. Hilarious. We're you aware that they are no longer close?

[Treefrog]

175. Mom has called both of them 'assholes' in this thread.

I really cannot imagine most mothers calling their children ‘assholes’ on a public message board.

[grantcart]

191. Your comment made me remember the hilarious bit from Cosby when he was still a good guy

He and his brother thought that their names were "Goddammit" and "JesusChrist" because that was always at the beginning when his Dad yelled at them.

One day his dad looked at him and said "Goddammit come over hear and clean up after the dog.:

"But Dad I am Jesuschrist"

[marble falls]

136. Wait till he skips bail and you lose the trailer house.

[niyad]

200. Welcome to your son's extended DU family. In case you didn't notice, we love him!

[blm]

52. Yikes

[roamer65]

54. Turn him in.

[DinahMoeHum]

57. My sympathy. But I think you should call the FBI. . .

. . .methinks he's in real serious shit, and getting him to the FBI may be his only way out.

[Downtown Hound]

58. You don't get to choose the family you're born into

You do get to choose what you wish to become. And it sounds like you've done very well in that area.

Sorry about your family.

[TheBlackAdder]

63. That's a tough call, especially if he, his sons or your cousin find out you dropped the dime.

.

Perhaps anonymously contact one of those sites hunting them down and place a tip.

You have to do it using a burner phone, or an emulated desktop though a VPN so there isn't computer info attached.


If you contact the FBI, it might be like calling CPS. You remain anonymous until the discovery prior to trial.

.

[Turbineguy]

64. You don't have to turn him in

He is after all your brother.

On the other hand.....

[ShazzieB]

69. Count me in with Team Turn Him In.

I know it's easy for me to say; he's not my relative after all. But fwiw, I think turning him in is a good idea if you can bring yourself to do it.

[grantcart]

188. Are we taking a head count? Someone needs to start a DU poll

[kentuck]

71. Did they look at it as a game?

What were they thinking?

[Baltimike]

83. I don't speak to them, but my brother used to masquerade around as "Independent"

when he was really just far right wing.

He loves Trump...like *loves* him. I haven't spoken to him since well before 45 was on the scene, and even I knew about his affinity for that Russian asset.

My cousin thinks the Holocaust was a hoax, and is racist AF, so I can get him going...it's just awful.

And how *stupid* do they have to be? To think they'd stop a thing.

[Deuxcents]

73. Hmmmm...

Something is not right with this story...how did Baltimike’s mom pop up with only 3-4 posts ? I want every insurgent in jail but.. is the brother fact or fiction?

[SMC22307]

139. Fiction. And a "clever" way to work in...

"boobie bar," a Holocaust-denying cousin, and a mythical mother.

[Treefrog]

145. Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you.

And “boobie bar?” Do grown people really call them that?

[SMC22307]

148. Seriously. "Strip club" or "gentleman's club" would have sufficed.

The more I read the more it seems like Jacob Wohl-level bullshit.

[Treefrog]

150. Certainly lots and lots of detail about the brother.

Unfortunately, I’m also estranged from a sibling, but I have no idea where they are or what they’re doing anymore.

[SMC22307]

152. The explanation will be that dear ol' Mom who magically showed up on DU...

keeps the family apprised of Mr. "Boobie Bar." Or maybe the Holocaust-denying cousin keeps everyone in the loop.

[FSogol]

171. Man, this thread is only missing a door buzzard!

[gldstwmn]

177. Right? It's a head scratcher

for sure.

[Baltimike]

153. Yes, they do...because I just did.

you're welcome

[concretebluetwo]

164. After "mom" popped in...

I suspect this is a script writing exercise...a fishing expedition, if you will, for dialogue for a made for cable movie.

[Hekate]

217. NYPD Blue cops used to call them tittie bars-- Sipowicz did, anyway. But how would I know...

...having never gone one.

[Oneironaut]

192. I can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

The OP’s mother somehow found his post on DU and responded within 4 minutes for some of them? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but come on...

[Baltimike]

197. Yep. She sure did. And would never go through the trouble to confront his behavior

but would to confront me for daring to find out about it

[MontanaMama]

75. I'm sorry.

My brother is a full on psychopath. I can’t/won’t/don’t have any contact with him. He is a frightening person. It sounds like your brother is quite similar. It’s horrible.

[czarjak]

76. Turned in my cousin.

[7wo7rees]

78. Ok DU. Is it possible at all, we are being had by Baltimike and Baltimike's mom?

Something was off and the around 70 posts or so, DU and Baltimike devolve into an arguement with Baltimkie and "Baltimike's Mom" and DU.

We are out. Good luck everyone.

The 7wo7rees

[Baltimike]

81. Why do you think I am playing you?

My mother and I got into a fight about this earlier on the phone. I wanted to know why she didn't tell me about this, and all she did was berate me as to how I found out. She hung up on me, and I posted here...nay...I vented here.

She reads here and created an account so she could continue her point.

I am not lying...I wish this weren't true...but I sure as shit wouldn't make this up.

[Treefrog]

88. I have to say this is one of the odder things I have seen here.

A mom joins du in order to berate her son?

[Baltimike]

95. *AFTER* she hung up on me for lambasting me for daring to find out about this

That way, she can transfer the angst to me even knowing this happened instead of holding my asshole brother accountable for what he DID, she flips it to be on me for what I found out.

Yup.

Just happened. Right here. I'd say broad daylight, but it was night time...but yep.

[Treefrog]

97. So she knew you were going to come on to du to post about it?

So she creates an account right on the spot, then signs on, finds your thread, and begins to berate you on a public forum even though SHE hung up on YOU presumably because she didn’t want to talk to you anymore? Wowza, what a story.

[Baltimike]

101. Nope. She reads du anyway. She knows my handle and then

everything after that is spot on. Yep. That's exactly what she did.

You seem to be indicating that you think what happened in plain sight is somehow not what happened. This is stressful enough for me, so um....

[uncle ray]

113. someone will likely, ironically, drop the dime on your sock-puppet "mom".

as for your brother, he participated in an insurrection against the United States. whether he was a murderer or a cheerleader, he still participated in an insurrection against the United States.

[Baltimike]

126. what does sock puppet "Mom" mean?

The powers that be here can certainly see I didn't create that handle from my IP address, so I take some umbrage with this ish.

[SMC22307]

144. You have an answer for everything.

It's now Sunday at 11:50 am Eastern. Have you turned your brother in yet to the FBI's 24/7 tipline?

[Treefrog]

146. Well, any of us here could easily let the FBI know about this thread.

I feel certain that they could connect any dots that might be there.

[SMC22307]

151. Exactly. Give them two names associated with a couple of insurrectionsists...

and let the FBI handle it from there.

[PatSeg]

115. Okay, that's pretty unsettling

Is it possible that your brother could be reading your posts as well? I'm sorry you are going through this.

[Baltimike]

127. I am not sure about that...he and my mother, who literally stalked me here

after hanging up on me for even knowing about this, don't speak.

He makes an appearance like once every four or fve years for like ten minutes, and then disappears again. He is an absentee member of my family.

But sociopaths are charming. Oh, so charming...

[PatSeg]

132. Oh yes, you are so right about that

Sociopaths can be extremely charming, as it suits their purposes.

I am really surprised that your mother used DU to air her feelings about this and sincerely hope your brother doesn't know and eavesdrop on you.

[Baltimike]

161. Pfffft. She's probaby told him by now so she can try and suck up to her fave

He has her eating out of the palm of his hand in under five minutes. Each time. Every time. He is very wealthy. I wondered if that was part of it, but truth be told, he has always been her favorite. So she felt the need to "protect" him. From me. He needs protection from himself.

But now, if and when, and we know it's gonna be when, because they're gonna get everybody, she will then have an excuse to blame me for it. I promise you, a person who would go through the trouble of creating a du handle just to have her say, has never bothered with ten percent of that animus to address HIM, and HIS actions. (aside: you know I am not just talking about the insurrection rumor)

[PatSeg]

165. Phew, family dynamics can be so exhausting

and it seems we can never completely leave them behind, no matter how hard we try.

There is no accounting for why a parent treats one child very differently from another. The parent often doesn't even understand why. That said, joining DU just to air her grievances in public is rather extreme.

What a weekend you are having! Hopefully, it will get better.

[FSogol]

119. +1. File this under: Cool Story Bro.

Oh the dramas!

[jcgoldie]

122. Hey!

This is your mom... you go to your room right fucking now and think about what you've done!

[Baltimike]

128. If only she had said that to him, LOL

[grantcart]

125. Is it possible? It was obvious. They are actually very close lolol

[BobTheSubgenius]

79. It's not YOUR shame, Baltimike.

You are clearly a person with a conscience and a sense of shame, and your relatives are not. Hardly your fault - there is not a thing you can or could ever do about it.

The Scots have a saying, and I'm sure I'm butchering it, not knowing the intricacies of their peculiar brand of English, but you'll get the gist, and might well have even heard it before:

"God lets us choose our kith, because the Devil gives us our kin."

[NH Ethylene]

82. I agree with your mom too. I would not turn in a family member unless he was a serial killer.

Ignore him for the rest of your life, but don't betray him. That's my feeling anyway.

[niyad]

203. What about if he was a rapist? A pedophile? A mass shooter (as opposed to a serial killer)?

Why only that one particular crime? Insurrection? Treason? No?

[NH Ethylene]

205. I'm not sure it's worth the energy to consider each scenario.

Suffice it to say I wouldn't turn in a family member unless people were going to be killed or badly hurt in the future.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

84. Turn him in Chant over and over again....

You can do it, we have your back

[Pachamama]

85. We are not our family - not a reflection of who you are

That said - I understand your feelings. The only thing you can do is be true to your values and who you are and live truthfully.

When you have the time, go on to the FBI website and take the time to review carefully all the pictures that they are seeking information and tips on. If you see your brother or someone else you know and identify, then follow the instructions given for providing tips. If you don’t see him or anyone else you can identify, then you have done your civic and ethical duty - the rest is up to the FBI.

If after that you are not feeling that you did enough, then contact some of the groups like Capital hill hunters or bellingcat that are following and tracking leads and clues and if they find something are turning it over to the FBI and DOJ. If there is something illegal that they link him to and want to charge your brother, that is then for them to pursue and not your responsibility. If they need to have you as a witness or verify something later at any trial or legal proceedings- you will be contacted - which you would have been anyway even if you did nothing and he was identified through separate investigations leading to him.

I believe that anyone who participated in this event needs to be identified and charged if they did commit an illegal act that day, regardless of how minor they may think it was. It was an insurrection and attempt to stop the vote of the people. It was violent and desecrated the People’s house. People were violently injured and people died. That cannot be allowed to become somehow normalized and a blind eye turned away.

No shame in having a family member that does something heinous like that - no judgment on you. The same goes for following what I suggested above and letting investigators and justice system determine what is best. No shame or judgment on you there either.

[Cafe Cat]

110. This is such a great post! It's essentially a blue print

for waiting until his emotions are under control, organizing his thoughts, and THEN taking action. It's such an emotionally and historically-fraught situation (Baltimike's own mother posting responses in this very thread notwithstanding) that the pressure must be unbelievable. I could never just make a cold call to the FBI immediately without doing exactly as you have suggested.

[Baltimike]

224. Thank you so very much. nt

[Meowmee]

86. So sorry

What a horrible thing to have to deal with...sympathies to you

[PCIntern]

90. So what did you get him for Christmas?

[COL Mustard]

104. My Money Is On A Glitterbomb!

[Baltimike]

105. LOL! The exact thing he got me

[grantcart]

189. a membership to DU?

[Baltimike]

198. DAMN you keep kicking this thread.

[grantcart]

201. It's a classic. I am begging you to run a poll on whether or not to call the FBI

Include a request for ideas what the 2 sons should go into together (because you guys are so close) for a joint mother's day gift for a mother that think both sons are quote assholes unquote

[Baltimike]

210. I hope one day you realize how absolutely hurtful you are being

Honestly.

[grantcart]

215. Here's a heads up: anonymous discussion boards are not the right place

to discuss medical treatments, deeply held personal religious beliefs, opinions on Olive Garden or intimate family conflicts.

I come from a family of Republicans but I would never share our private conflicts here or in the neighborhood gossips or anywhere and by maintaining respectful relationships all but one have moved out of the Republican Party and against Trump.

Your OP was so over the top with a chorus of "we are not close" and the sudden addition of a matriarchal actor that many thought it was a parody.

Your actual mother joined to ask you to desist and you continued a public meltdown of your closest family members? When you continued it really looked more like schtick than angst.

If the reactions to the thread were not what you thought and exacerbated problems in your family then why in the world wouldn't you cancel the thread and let it die?

[Baltimike]

223. Here's the heads up: you are not the arbiter of such things.

And not "the reactions on this thread". Nice try. YOUR reaction to this thread. Hurtful. Yes, my actual mother actually cyber stalked her child.

Just allow for the possibility that this was actually real. Thanks. My OP wasn't "so over the top". My OP was the fucking truth.

Please stop this. You are being hurtful

[Treefrog]

212. Here's the thing. The op must be a female/sister. The 'mom' clearly states 'he's my only son'' in

reference to the brother.

[NNadir]

92. I have a brother to whom I haven't spoken in over 20 years. Sometimes it troubles me slightly...

...but then I recall all the times I forgave him for the sake of my parents, and now that they're both gone, I just have to live with it.

I recently got a Christmas card from him, from his third wife I'm guessing, the one who was 19 when he married her, almost 30 years younger than him, with whom he was having an affair on his second wife.

He used to give me all these lectures on the sanctity of marriage, this would good long dollops of Christian theology.

He objected to my father remarrying after my mother died. My father stayed by my mother through all of her horrible death, and would have gladly sacrificed himself for her if he could have done so.

I've been married to the same woman for 35 years, am deeply in love with her, and would never dream of having an affair.

Losing a brother who is still alive, but functionally dead, well, it happens.

Sometimes forgiveness is impossible.

[niyad]

99. I am glad that you know you have your DU family to vent to. Take some deep breaths, pour

some coffee, and make the call.

We are here for you.

[Baltimike]

106. Thank you. I really appreciate being able to vent because he is an asshole

and family dynamics are crazy sometimes...

[634-5789]

102. Family can be more toxic than strangers. Find peace.

[The Jungle 1]

107. Ask him how that Civil War II thing worked out for him.

I am starting a collection to build statues of the right wing treasonous, terrorist, Civil War II veterans.
Please donate bigly cause this is gonna be yuge.

[Woodwizard]

108. Reading about family issues like this.

Just makes me so thankful for my siblings, we all get along very well.

[Paladin]

112. You've done the right thing, disowning him.

I'm guessing that most DUers have family members such as you brother. Thanks for sharing.

[bluestarone]

117. My 2 cents (i'd turn my family in no doubt about it) BUT

If you 100% KNOW they did NOTHING then do nothing BUT i really do not believe you can say 100% they did nothing. If it's the latter then TURN THEM IN! Good luck.

[turbinetree]

118. My three cents...............what if he and the others had succeeded

[vlyons]

120. We can pick our friends, but we cannot pick our relatives

Distancing from him is probably best, so as to not to allow him to agitate and disturb your peace of mind.

As a Buddhist, I have decided, once and for all, whether the negativity, stupidity, and ignorance I perceive in others are the actual causes of my annoyance—warranting my criticism, resentment, and retribution—or rather are the causes only of their own suffering, and so deserve nothing but my compassionate, and skillful response. If I do not decide this, from the core of my heart, I shall remain only half a virtuous person, at best.

It is our strong presumption and habit to imagine that the words and actions of others are based on the same defiled thoughts and motivation as our own, like a baby deer, stamping her hoof defiantly at her reflection in the glass door of the temple.
Willingly suspending the belief that everyone I meet necessarily thinks like me is the glass doorway that allows entry to the halls of grace and devotion, wherein a realized being may transfer her blessings.

[yonder]

178. +1.

[maliaSmith]

121. Asshole brothers

I have one similar to that. When my mom was sick with dementia, he got her to change her will leaving him most of her estate.
Then he took out loans on her beautiful old house and lost it.
He thinks Covid is hoax and is a die hard angry white man and Trump supporter. I have nothing to do with him and blocked his phone number.
So sad he's nuts.

[Baltimike]

129. I am so sorry you are dealing with this

My brother tried to do all of that, but the Court told him no

[bluestarone]

138. Welcome to DU!

Just by his actions shows he's a TRUE QRUMPY!! I do have some in our family as well! Best of luck to you!

[niyad]

202. Welcome to our DU family.

[MyMission]

130. Have you checked the FBI website for his photo?

If he entered the capitol building it's a crime. Period.
He wasn't there for a tour, no matter what he said.

If his photo is on the FBI website you SHOULD turn him in.

I think about most of the rethugs who stand by their cronies and give them a pass, for comments and crimes and manipulations. We're better than that, and believe in accountability, don't we?

[AKwannabe]

133. You can't pick your family, man.

No shame there.
They are an embarrassment to themselves.

Fuck em!

[Joinfortmill]

134. It's not you; it's them. Choose a new family.

Wishing you all good things.

[wryter2000]

135. So sorry

Make your own family. It can be done.

[Texin]

137. Well I hope to god you turned him along with his Q posse.

[Treefrog]

214. Nah, she thinks nothing will happen to him anyway.

Read the whole thread. It’s a hoot. Even mom checks in.

[appleannie1]

140. My mom told us "you can get stuck with relatives but you can pick good friends"

My remaining brother and sister are both Repugs. Your life can be much happier to avoid a relative that brings you nothing but stress and you should never feel guilt by doing so. The shame is his, not yours. You are not responsible for his actions, only your own.

[momta]

156. I will not weigh in on the "turn him in" issue...

That is up to you. But I do feel for you.

My three brothers and I are all liberal Dems, thank goodness. But our father, who passed away in 2015 was deeply right-wing and quite racist. It got to me way more than it did to my brothers. My conversations with him were always very superficial, because once talk turned to any issue of importance he would make me so angry I would have to quite the conversation.

It always makes me feel a little guilty to say this, but I'm kind of glad he passed before the orange menace ran for office. He would have been a serious Trump-humper.

So, I'm sorry this has affected your family. Vent away.

[Baltimike]

158. Thank you so much. I am sorry you went through that with your father

I can certainly understand your plight

[Devil Child]

168. This thread should be reported to the FBI

As you have information on a domestic terrorist’s crimes and possible admission of guilt.

[Treefrog]

176. Yes. It's very possible they already know about it since so many of us do not think these traitors

should be shielded in any way. The FBI can get IP addresses quite easily, and the op has provided a lot of information about the brother: 1. when he served time, 2. what he served time for, 3. who he served time with, 4. that he owned a ‘boobie bar’ that was busted, 5. that he’s recently gotten off parole, 6. how many children he has, and 7. when their father died. Probably even more that the FBI can glean from this trove of information. I’m kind of surprised that ‘mom’ chose to kick this thread so many times if she doesn’t want this further disseminated.

[sarisataka]

170. You said boobie

[Mr. Scorpio]

172. You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family, man

Hugs all the way around

[MustLoveBeagles]

180. I'm sorry you're going through this

I won't tell you what to do but I think Pachamana offered some good advice that I think you should consider. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15301497 Whatever you decide you have my support. Take care of yourself.

[Generic Other]

193. Can I link this to the Crime Beat?

Crime Beat: Insurrection Day's Most Wanted -- Pt. 29

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215280572

Your call.

[Baltimike]

199. It's a free country. This is a really terrible situation. nt

[monkeyman1]

194. let us know what ya do !

[Kid Berwyn]

208. What Zoroaster said long ago still applies...

"Always meet petulance with gentleness and perverseness with kindness. A gentle hand can lead even en elephant by a hair. Reply to thine enemy with gentleness." ~ Zoroaster



"A knife of the keenest steel requires the whetstone, and the wisest man needs advice." ~ Zoroaster

https://www.azquotes.com/author/38027-Zoroaster

[Kali]

216. this has some DU classic potential

gonna copy the OP for posterity since it has a chance of disappearing

My asshole brother went to that attempted coup and stepped inside the capitol...

View profile
I don't talk to my asshole brother. I am fine with never ever talking to him again. We're not close.

He used to turn on "Bill O'Reilly" when I was at his house and announce, "See? No spin here".

We're not close.

He is authoritarian and abusive, and even went to prison for being a drug dealer, narrowly escaping king pin charges.

We're NOT close.

When my father died 7 years ago, my brother made everything he could harder for me to withstand. He is a full on Trumper, and has never put anyone before himself in his entire life.

We're not close.

Now I find out his traitor, Trump supporting treason weasel ass, who is pretty recently off parole/probation after serving time in federal prison for the aforementioned drug dealing, took his two sons and my Holocaust denying cousin straight to the halls of the capitol building.

I have not spoken words to this felon since 2014, when my father died.

After he got out of prison, he bought a boobie bar....er....gentleman's club and it's already been busted, because....UGH!!!!

I am related by blood to four, and maybe even five treason weasel sedition motherfuckers and I just really, really needed to vent about it.

Oh the assholery. Oh the SHAME!!!!!

[Hekate]

218. It falls somewhere between "My uncle gave me a strange mixed animal" & "Could my neighbors...

...be in federal trouble?”

At this point, the door buzzard is about to ring.

[Kali]

219. the surprise cameo appearance by Mom

was the real kicker.

[Hekate]

220. Yes, indeedy

[Treefrog]

222. That's where I became completely fascinated!

I was waiting for the brother to show up any minute! I guess he still could!

[Carlitos Brigante]

221. Curious about something. When you and Baltmike Mom talk about him, do you guys

just refer to him as "Asshole" for short?