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Sedona
(3,872 posts)My mother and sister are fundy dupes. They live in the bubble and are absolutely honest, polite and would never, ever back stab me. Yes, they need mental help
OR
They could stay the fuck away from Calvary Church of Ft Lauderdale and FAUX news, but for some reason I can't fathom, they feel safe there and no amount of logic will sway them.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)and will back stab you in a minute!
sendero
(28,552 posts)... to label half of the country that way. I've known several that were, I've also known some wingers who, as long as you leave politics out of it, as nice a people and as good a friend as you could ask for.
That said, it makes me sad that so many Americans are falling for the same "cut taxes and deregulate" bullshit that created the hole we are in today.
My solace comes from this, if Romney is elected and especially if he has effective control of congress, he will drive the country into an even deeper ditch that no amount of lies will hide. And how is that good? Because once Americans finally get it into their thick heads that Republican economic policies are for the rich only, they will be out of power for decades.
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RKP5637
(67,112 posts)by preachers and the like how evil they are, how they are sinners, how they will be punished, how they need to be punished to tow the line in "The System." Hence, I really do think many Americans seek out punishment and unconsciously vote for those that will punish them the most. I'm totally convinced America has a lot of really fucked up people that vote. And on top of that there's the "Stupid" element of this country that loves to be stupid, naive and gullible and it has nothing to do with IQ.
RC
(25,592 posts)"Clinton started the recession and that far left wing, foreign born liberal, Obama, continued to make things worse." bu$h the lesser is not in there any place in the eight years between Clinton and Obama.
Eight years of Republican rule and two major wars never happened under the Republicans. For the eight years after Clinton and for the eight years before Obama and it's all Obama's and the Democrats fault. The Republicans were seemly powerless those eight bu$h years.
woodsprite
(12,582 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)off if we had had another Great Depression. The way it is, we still get the republicans smoothing over the disaster and many Americans still with their heads in the sand or up their butts, still not getting what happened and what will happen under Romney/Ryan but far far far worse.
As you say and I agree; "My solace comes from this, if Romney is elected and especially if he has effective control of congress, he will drive the country into an even deeper ditch that no amount of lies will hide. And how is that good? Because once Americans finally get it into their thick heads that Republican economic policies are for the rich only, they will be out of power for decades."
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We kinda did have another depression, we didn't fall so far because of the safety nets put in place by FDR and later dem administrations like unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And there are many others but these things help people most directly. But just think if all those people who lost their jobs, some 750,000 a month at the end of W, The Decider's, administration, had been out on the streets without any income. Talk about bread lines, and then all the older people without Social Security or Medicare, or poorer folks without Medicaid, or people who lost their homes, things would have been just as bad as the Depression. So we dodged all those bullets because of policies put in place by Democratic administrations. Romney and the repug one percenters will definitely try to get rid of them because of all the money involved that they'd like to get their hands on.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)depression. ... but we have a large block of Americans that are just TOO STUPID to understand this and it has nothing to do with IQ. Way too many people in America are stupid, naive and gullible. It's a recipe for eventual disaster, but they can't even understand that. 
Some days I feel like saying screw it all.
KANTANA
(32 posts)I strongly believe that if you're a true progressive, the thought of Romney being elected will never cross your mind!! I think you're a right winger, hanging out on this site to peddle the thought of Romney being elected. We must all stand strong and go get out the vote for Obama and the Democrats.
Your logic does not make any sense. Do you remember Ronald Reagan, the creator of trickle down economics and recessions. How well did that work out? What did Americans learn from the disaster Reagan left for Clinton? Did it stop Americans from electing Bush twice? How did that work out? It totally floors me that any sane and intelligent person will contemplate another Republican presidency just to teach Americans lessons. Insane!! Romney is the worst candidate ever nominated. A man whose convictions are strange and magical as his Religion!!!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is hysterical.
Also it was not reagan who invented them. It was US Grant, then Hoover. Reagan's policies are not that different...
Oh and the logic is not that crazy, and thinking that Romney could win is not out of any realm of possibility. It is highly unlikely, given polls, but not out of the realm of possibility.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)They are a danger to everything we hold dear.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)clearly many that are delusional and others are definitely sociopaths. Not that that is RW exclusive, but it sure is convincing ... I used to think it was conditioned behavior, but not anymore.
Here's the scary part, are we saying about 50% of the voting population of this country is totally fucked up? If so, those are scary numbers. I know two things for sure ... I never trust republicans and I never trust overly religious people.
salinen
(7,288 posts)I don't either. I will not put myself knowingly into bad situations. Sociopaths are dangerous.
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The good part is it's not 50%. The repugs have always been less of the population than the dems but they've always gotten more of their people to actually vote, plus the independents they fool into believing their less taxes and regulations wedge issue BS. And now with the demographics of the country changing so much towards people that lean left, they are becoming an even smaller part of the electorate, which is why they are so desperate to win this time. As presently constituted, with no outreach to black, Latino, and progressive whites, not to mention their war on women, if they don't win the presidency this time, they won't have any chance again to win a national race again unless they change their racist, anti-immigrant, anti-women, anti-99% policies. And they won't or can't do that without the party splintering into factions. So I say dems let's keep working hard to get President Obama re-elected to make that happen.
coldwaterintheface
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ananda
(35,144 posts)All the rightwingers I know, and some are in my family, are the most wonderful, funny, loving people... to those in their tribe.. meaning white people who are not in unions, love the military, and hold religious and family values. But outside that tribal limit, it's a different story. I have a very difficult time with their racism, religiosity, anti-unionism and militarism.
I can get along with them for short periods of time if we don't talk politics or religion; but in some of their cases, they simply hold so much hate that they will literally not attend family get togethers. It's a sad situation because we hold two mutually exclusive views of life, one large and inclusive and the other tribal and narrow... and it's getting to a point that we just don't have much common ground.
It's not good for humans to be divided this way. I believe that all of life, including humanity, is basically holistic... and that not operating with a holistic mindset is ultimately going to destroy the human race, and in the process take down many species of plants and animals with it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Limbaugh and evilness like them nurture and exploit that hatred to the hilt. Something Murdock also knows well, there are big profits to be made in hatred. These people would enjoy the downfall of America if they made $$$ off of it ...
HeartlandDem
(80 posts)"It's not good for humans to be divided this way. I believe that all of life, including humanity, is basically holistic... and that not operating with a holistic mindset is ultimately going to destroy the human race, and in the process take down many species of plants and animals with it"
... is so true and is precisely what's missing in the mindset of right wingers. They do not see the world collectively but rather black and white with no room for grays which would threaten the investment they have in rigid thinking. Therefore they are almost never swayed by facts that don't support their opinions and will go to their graves in solitary ignorance to protect those opinions. I don't know why right wingers are such sheep and refuse to think for themselves, but sadly half our country fits this model.
breathe peace
(27 posts)Interesting perspective ananda...I too have funny, loving RW family members. However, we are deeply divided and mostly tread carefully when it comes to religion or politics. Large and inclusive vs tribal and narrow pretty much nails it. How in the world is that ever going to shift? I am old enough to understand how intractable these hard wired and seemingly intractable views are. I was raised in it, but was personally motivated to challenge myself to grow. Three steps forward and two back ...over the generations.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)This is why its okay for them (or someone in their circle) to take government assistance but others whom they don't know who take the same assistance are lazy "takers". They can see their own circumstances, but could care less about anybody elses.
JackN415
(924 posts)Right-wingers tend to have certain personality, mostly associated with authoritarian personality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality
That in itself is not a mental disorder though, and not listed in DSM IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - the bible of mental illness), although I'm not an expert. But in extreme form, it can be.
What you described, however, sounds more like psychopath, which is indeed a human trait and a disorder that exists ~1% among us. But 1% is too small to account for the higher percentage of right-wingers (5%? 10% ? in extreme form).
How do we account for ~30% rabid repubs, tea party-ers, Christian fundamentalists who oppose anything that makes progress, promotes, embraces human empathy and compassion? I don't know. But the Third Reich existed, so did Soviet Union, and today China, North Korea and other communist countries.
The right-wingers are no different from the communists/fascists in the sense that they respect no human rights, no democracy, no freedom, and will do anything to grab absolute power for themselves and their "clique". The political embodiment of Mafia mentality.
They live in fear and insecurity, paranoid about others, and espouse hatred as a mean to control.
Oops.. sorry for the diatribe. But yes, I really wonder how mental cases like Rush Limbo whatever and the likes can deliver such powerful opium for the mass. But then, Hitler did it much better too.
That's why we are here, work to prevent this country falling into that hell of human evilness.
I suspect that it is encoded in human DNA. This is a way early social groups, like a group of chimps banded together and annihilate (genocide) against another group so that their DNA prevail. Right-wingers are the vestige of that survival strategy.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Before that most I knew were somewhat normal as we are.
Don
JackN415
(924 posts)what about Barry Goldwater? they were a much smaller minority but enough to nominate a presidential candidate.
The country became quite liberal after Nixon, but the right-wingers were always there, lurking in the background, and finally, grabbed power via Reagan.
But as it is often said today, some Reaganites would be considered too moderate for today repubs. It's just that the pendulum has swung far to the right. Wonder if it will swing back.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and that, NNHOLHI, started in the 70's, when he was Governor of CA. Reagan's career was a continuum of hard right wing policy and rhetoric, starting even before he was officially in politics. The powers that made Ronnie existed long, long before he took office. Long.
The right wing prior to Reagan opposed Civil Rights, favored endless wars..just as they did during Reagain, just as they do now. The John Birch element was strong in the 70's, the Republicans have been just as they are now, through my entire lifetime. Was Nixon 'somehwat normal as we are'? Agnew? Goldwater? Cheney was in the Nixon administration...was he also 'somehwhat like us'? Anita Bryant and Briggs, 'like us'?
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)QUOTE:
"In 1933, Butler was approached by men representing a clique of multi-millionaire industrialists and bankers. They hated U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) with a passion, and saw his “New Deal” policies as the start of a communist take-over that threatened their interests. FDR even had the temerity to announce that the U.S. would stop using its military to interfere in Latin American affairs! Wall Street’s plutocrats were aghast! They had long been accustomed to wielding tremendous control over the government’s economic policies, including the use of U.S. forces to protect their precious foreign investments. Because of Butler’s steadfast military role in upholding U.S. business interests abroad, the plotters mistakenly thought they could recruit him to muster a “super-army” of veterans to use as pawns in their plan to subjugate or, if necessary, eliminate FDR."
...and...
"President George Walker Bush’s grandfather (Prescott Bush) and great grandfather (George Herbert Walker) were among Wall Street’s ultra-right wing elite. Before WWII, they were among the key players who coordinated the flow of investments from American multimillionaires into Germany. They profited by helping to coordinate the American financing behind Hitler’s rise to power. During the war, they even profited from companies that armed the Nazi war machine and used slave labour at Auschwitz. Then, after the war, Prescott Bush was instrumental in helping to launder Nazi loot for Fritz Thyssen, who was one Hitler’s earliest and richest industrialist backers.
The Bush family's illicit fortune, and their intimate connections to Wall Street and the intelligence community, were essential in launching Prescott Bush, his son George H.W. Bush and grandson George W. Bush, into politics and the oil industry."
Island Blue
(6,287 posts)Most of my extended family, my best friend, and the dude down the street who would do anything in the world for his neighbors, most of whom tend to lean way to the left. With all of these folks, I don't discuss politics. There are plenty of other things to talk about.
None of these folks are mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, white sheet wearing Republicans - just people who continually vote against there best interests for one reason on the other (in some cases because that's what their church "recommends" - we don't talk about religion either).
Unlike some folks on DU, I don't strike up political-based conversation with strangers. (I'm not saying that you do that darkangel, I've just seen several post lately from people who do.) There are for sure a lot of crazyass right wingers out there. I guess I'm just lucky that the right leaning folks that I know and love aren't like that.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)politics and religion don't enter the conversation. But you do have to scratch your head and wonder. They wanted Santorum for president, but now have settled for Romney/Ryan. And they just voted in the primaries for ultra RW teabaggers heading KS toward being possibly the most RW state in the nation after the Nov. election. ... eventually, it's like having a smiling executioner, nice guy, but he's going to do you in anyways.
spin
(17,493 posts)but many of those who disagree with my views have been polite and respectful. With such people I have been able to hold an intelligent discussion and while we have not always been able to reach an agreement we have remained friends or close acquaintances.
While many suggest that discussing politics or religion is a poor idea I have found that it can be entertaining and even educational to have a respectful conversation. I have learned a lot from those who disagree with me and while I have not always altered my viewpoint I can usually argue their side of the debate more effectively than they can if I chose.
There is at least two sides to any issue and both usually have good points to support their stance. I try to listen carefully to others who disagree with my viewpoints and I will admit that often I have had to modify my stances.
Of course I have encountered some who are locked into a view and when they find themselves unable to defend their position they turn insulting. At that point I assume that I have won the argument and simply politely break off the encounter. Little will be gained by continuing.
Oddly enough I have found that very religious fundamental Christians are often more likely to "backstab" you than most others. I tend to be somewhat religious although most fervent Christians tell me that I am destined to spend an eternity in Hell. I often ask such individuals if they have ever fully read the Bible and most haven't. To be fair I have also met some very good fundamental Christians as well as good people from many different religions.
In our nation today our elected representatives appear to have lost the skill to compromise and unfortunately the ability to have some respect for those who disagree with their views. That is why, in my opinion, that we make little or no headway on solving the problems our nation faces. While most people hate negative campaign ads there is no doubt that they are effective. Politics in our nation is turning more and more dirty. I fear that this may lead to eventual violence in our nation and the results could be catastrophic. To be fair this is not a new phenomena but today I fear that many unstable people take the differences between the two parties far too seriously and the result may be tragic and bloodshed may result.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)rest of the world because, as usual, the US is its own worst enemy, and the nation sits divided arguing and I do fear the same as you. "Politics in our nation is turning more and more dirty. I fear that this may lead to eventual violence in our nation and the results could be catastrophic. To be fair this is not a new phenomena but today I fear that many unstable people take the differences between the two parties far too seriously and the result may be tragic and bloodshed may result."
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)- has been both as long as I can remember - a very sweet and kindly person and a right-wing nut.
Some people are right-wing out of a kind of naivete. If one simply believed all the cliches we hear early in life such as the one about America being the only country on earth where anyone can achieve anything if they just try. Or they believe that America was founded by Godly men (fundamentalist Protestants) and the country is now going to hell in a hand basket because godless men are taking over. Many are even motivated by a false kind of class struggle. They have been taught to see their class enemies not as the robber barons - but as the educated elitist. So no I don't think that every right-winger is a psychopath although I do agree that right-wing ideology is certainly sociopathic. Many people support the right-wing out of a naive idea about the world around them and are more the innocently manipulated foot soldiers of a cause they really do not understand - just pawns in the game.
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)I visited my buddy who sells medical cannabis and some woman was there buying. My buddy knew this would be good, she was a radical right wing nut and I didn't have a clue until she said she was conservative and I thought uh oh. She said her main news source was Blaze and Limbaugh, there is no global warming,scientist are crazy Obama is not christian or muslim he is the muslim brotherhood a terrorist group that has infiltrated the white house. I told her there could be no conversation with her because limbaugh and Beck and the tea baggers have no credability. She told me I was hateful loud rude and called me Uncle Joe (Biden) over and over. She finally stormed out. My buddy laughed his ass of, he said every time she comes over she talks politics and bad mouths democrats. She freaked me out I never met one so fuckin mean. She told me she was so smart that I couldn't communicate with her. Totally brainwashed from the right wing radio which dominate the air waves in Montana. She was scary.
But I did tell my buddy to call when she comes over again, AFTER Obama is reelected so I can rub it in her ugly face.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)harbor a lot of hatred IMO and all you sometimes see is the tip of the iceberg of what's brewing underneath. The media hate jocks are enabling these fools for profit and turning many of them into rabid crazed individuals while the media hate jocks (AKA Domestic Terrorists) cart their money to the bank.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)I know my brother-in-law loves to express how he hates government, hates environmentalists, hates this and that.
Also my old Latin teacher used to say, "stupidity equals willful ignorance". Amen to that.
RKP5637
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Blanks
(4,835 posts)I think there are some good people. They believe they are fighting for the right thing.
Obviously they haven't thought about the fact that they are taking liberties away from other folks, but a lot of them really believe that they are 'saving babies' and anyone opposed to them is evil.
I'm not defending them; I understand how they might feel that way. Put them in front of Fox News for the rest of the day, and everything about the liberals is bad.
I don't believe that all conservatives are sociopaths (with the exception of the 3 years I was in Germany in the army; I have always lived in red states). I find that the bad behavior of rabid conservatives can be backed down when you are in a one on one conversation with them.
As long as Fox News and hate radio is in existence; we will have this problem.
A big part of it is that they have a sense of belonging when they are among their conservative allies and that is a powerful thing.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It is not the other way around. And most genocides are actions done by folks who 'believe' they are protecting their own, 'saving the children'. So that belief is not much of a calling card for explaining they are wonderful, just anti choice, anti equality, anti gay, anti anti anti anti...
They are responsible for what they do and say, no one else.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they are willing to invest in it to create a market and to bleed money... to do so.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)People want to belong and once they belong to something; they can be manipulated to do awful things.
The pro-life position is just another manipulation by what is essentially the same group that brought us prohibition (anti-drinking).
It is the fact that we have people who believe they are saving babies and therefore the people against them are killing babies. As far as they're concerned they're right. Once they've bought into it; they buy a whole bunch of other crap.
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)votes for Romney because he is against abortion. But this same girl had an abortion but that was during her 22 years of being a drunk so she prayed and has been forgiven. Fuckin hypocrit
Kindly Refrain
(423 posts)and trying to acquire wealth and status.
cheriemedium59
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ejbr
(5,892 posts)needs mental help.
JackN415
(924 posts)not to quibble with you 
but self-interest, in some narrow and specific interpretation, can be distinguished from principle. One can vote for his/her principle, but against his/her self-interest, unless, of course, that self-interest is included as a part of one's principle.
So, one can say that Warren Buffet is voting against his self-interest if that will raise capital tax rate as well as his income tax. But he is doing that for his principle.
On the other hand, Buffet can define his self-interest in terms of a broader and longer-term vision that the policy his is voting will promote his interest of doing well in a country with many people have a good life...
just keep it fun. Not meant to argue with what you say.
ejbr
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You see it is bad when they do it, but it is also bad when we do it.
Some are mental cases, just as some on our side are. The operative word here is SOME.
And it has to do with populations and having some in any given population have mental disorders.
It is never a good idea to medicalize the other side... it is in fact a very bad idea.
just1voice
(1,362 posts)as long as being careful is so important.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Half the country is certifiable nuts? As in so certifiable we should send them to the psych ward or medicate them, or both?
You are talking, for round numbers sake, 150 million.
Do not worry, don't try to answer this... fallacy. Suffice it to say that saying shit like this is a good step into creating the other, so familiar to any who has looked into how GENOCIDES occur.
As I said, there is significant, but very small minority, of people who are mentally ill... that is party or politics independent. These are the people who end up medicated, homeless, talking to themselves in the streets, and even in psych wards...
By the way when Weiner (true name for Savage) brought out that nonsense, I pointed to a few RWers the error and problems with that kind of thinking
May I suggest some deep reading into the creation of the enemy? There are oodles of books on this... usually they are concentrated on war time conditions, but might hint to you why this is a problem. Perhaps, suffer me for a second, I am far more sensitive to this idiocy since dad survived the holocaust and I debriefed survivors of another Genocide, one that I will grant you, outside Guatemala and a few in Mexico, is all but known.
Talking about the victims of such as mentally ill, or worst, was part of it.
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upi402
(16,854 posts)It's pretty much a given, huh?
These goofs accuse Dems of doing the crimes they are currently up to - all the time.
Wanna see what kinda BS they're up to? Just note what they're accusing Dems of.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)That's why I have nothing to do with half my family.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Narrow minded, bigoted, willing to stereotype and broadbrush.
I have several neighbors who are conservative, as well as family members. They are indeed honest, polite, no, they don't engage in backstabbing or name calling. They simply have different political views than I do. In fact, once they get to know you, they will are willing to do anything for you.
Perhaps you should rethink your bigoted attack.
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MadHound
(34,179 posts)Excuse me, but I live in Missouri, you know, the home of Akin and Ashcroft. You can't swing a dead cat anywhere in this state without hitting at least a half dozen conservative people. I've lived in the city that is home to the World Headquarters of Assembly of God churches, not to mention Jerry Falwell's alma mater. When it comes to living amongst and dealing with the right wing of all stripes, from the business moderates to the batshit crazy insane, I think my spectrum is plenty broad.
Am I claiming that all conservatives are good, decent people, no. But your contention that every single one is an irrational, racist lunatic is simply wrong, and the fact that you are making such broadbrush, stereotypical statements about all conservatives makes you no better than conservatives that do the same thing about liberals or other races.
Perhaps it is you who needs to broaden your horizons. Instead of judging every single conservative by those you read about or see on TV, get out here into the thick of things and see for yourself.
But then again, it always has been easier for many people to simply hate the "enemy" rather than get to know them.
darkangel218
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treestar
(82,383 posts)They are basically good to me, I suppose, because I am one of theirs. They can be generous to their own. Oh and they can be on public programs themselves, but still be Ayn Randish in their views - because they deserve help since they've been cheated or had bad luck! But people they don't know and aren't related to are welfare cheats!
One exception - the unborn fetuses of people they don't know. They profess to care greatly about them. Very much so, up until the date of birth, when they become people their poor parents were too poor to have and shouldn't have had.
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rucky
(35,211 posts)But yeah, a few trigger words (like "Obama"
is like flashing the Queen of Spades to the Manchurian Candidate.
It's always interesting to observe what those triggers are.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)label those who disagree with them as evil and deranged.
A bunch of narrow minded bigots who claim things like all liberals are dishonest, rude, and treacherous.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)is an extremely polarized populace.
How long can we survive as a nation and a People under these circumstances.
Personally, I'm of the feeling that the right-wing of this country is a clear and present danger to our nation and to us on the left, the sane ones.
just1voice
(1,362 posts)(R)s have a myriad of mental problems ranging from compulsive lying to pure psychopathy. Mixed in with their multiple mental problems is their plain stupidity and inability to recognize and solve simple problems. People like that are easily led by fear-based false ideologies such as the entire (R) platform.