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H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 05:41 PM Apr 2021

Wild Turkey

Three days ago, a wild turkey hen began hanging out at my bird pen/coup. I raise Guinea hens and chickens. While they are "outdoor" pets, they earn their keep. Guinea hens can consume a huge amount of deer ticks daily, and considering how many people on my road got Lyme disease last year, I appreciate their efforts. I have chickens, because Guinea hens will follow them back into the coup at night.

The turkey hen stuck her head into the pen several times to get cracked corn, but one male Guinea hen would peck at her. He pecks at everyone but me or my cats. So I began feeding her at the edge of the pen. By the second day, she associated me not only with food, but a variety of treats not commonly found by wild turkey.

Evenings, she would roost in the pine tree nearest to the coup. From my window, I could see her neck & head, peering up like a periscope in a sea of green.

This morning, as the weather has turned warmer, I opened the bird pen. From a lawn chair my son set out for me, I enjoyed the sunshine, and feeding the birds. The turkey is comfortable enough to come within arm's length of me, while the others scurry around my feet. Soon, they are exploring the lawn. The cats are fascinated by the birds, including one cat that serves as a border collie when one bird strays from the others.

This has provided a break from concentrating on two issues -- my friend Dr. Bandy Lee's being fired from Yale, and a new threat to the water supply in the rural neighborhood that I grew up in. Tomorrow, I'll bring a spiral notebook & pen out with me, and work on what I used to be able of accomplishing in an hour.

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Wild Turkey (Original Post) H2O Man Apr 2021 OP
I love your thoughtful, quiet posts, my dear H20 Man... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2021 #1
+1 CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #19
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2021 #44
The strange thing, Peggy, H2O Man Apr 2021 #43
KnR Hekate Apr 2021 #2
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2021 #45
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2021 #46
i love watching wild turkeys.. we have a flock of about 20 that make the rounds in this.. samnsara Apr 2021 #3
Their poops are huge, too. LakeArenal Apr 2021 #4
When I went out H2O Man Apr 2021 #48
I love Guineas. DURHAM D Apr 2021 #5
We had guineas growing up too. Never met anybody else who had them Walleye Apr 2021 #7
Here in the northeast, H2O Man Apr 2021 #50
My son told me H2O Man Apr 2021 #49
Thought you were talking about the old "Kickn Chicken" bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #6
try Wild Turkey Rare Breed Barrel Proof, ridiculously cheap for the quality, streets ahead of 101 Celerity Apr 2021 #21
Almost 117 proof and still sipable? liberaltrucker Apr 2021 #24
Yes, absolutely sippable neat. Bourbon, even more than Scotch, when cut down, loses so much Celerity Apr 2021 #31
Good info. Thanks! liberaltrucker Apr 2021 #36
Let me know if you like it! Celerity Apr 2021 #38
Ah!!!! H2O Man Apr 2021 #53
My favourite (non outrageous price) Irish whiskey is Redbreast 15 Year Old Single Pot Still Celerity Apr 2021 #57
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2021 #58
Ha! H2O Man Apr 2021 #51
I am sorry to hear of the loss of your brother bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #52
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2021 #54
We had Guineas. They would fly over a large gate, then scream and yell to have the gate opened so Karadeniz Apr 2021 #8
Exactly! H2O Man Apr 2021 #56
Alan Dershowitz, Jeffrey Epstein's friend, has big pull in elite circles. Kid Berwyn Apr 2021 #9
Interesting but ShazzieB Apr 2021 #13
Dr. Lee was let go, she alleges, after Dershowitz complained to Yale. Kid Berwyn Apr 2021 #20
I did not know this... Mazeltov Cocktail Apr 2021 #23
She is remarkable. H2O Man knows a lot of great people. Kid Berwyn Apr 2021 #25
I'm working today H2O Man Apr 2021 #61
I had missed this, but I always thought Trumps Rally speeches sound like a hypnosis show. mackdaddy Apr 2021 #27
The MAGAmorphosis Kid Berwyn Apr 2021 #42
Well said. Exactly right. H2O Man Apr 2021 #62
Hey there! H2O Man Apr 2021 #59
Not only do Guineas eat ticks, they are excellent watchdogs. Arkansas Granny Apr 2021 #10
Right. H2O Man Apr 2021 #63
Amazing what we learn from other critters malaise Apr 2021 #11
Very nice! H2O Man Apr 2021 #64
I've noticed two pretty tame cats around here recently malaise Apr 2021 #69
Even the feral cats H2O Man Apr 2021 #71
Many decades ago I had two dogs and a cat named Pushkin malaise Apr 2021 #73
I thought this thread would be about bourbon IronLionZion Apr 2021 #12
And Guinness. n/t Harker Apr 2021 #14
I wonder if H2O Man Apr 2021 #66
Good question, stout fellow. Harker Apr 2021 #72
Me too... HUAJIAO Apr 2021 #15
Yep! H2O Man Apr 2021 #68
OOOH yes... HUAJIAO Apr 2021 #75
I'm glad I'm not the only one MustLoveBeagles Apr 2021 #33
!!!! H2O Man Apr 2021 #67
In some curious ways, H2O Man Apr 2021 #65
I was once attacked by a wild turkey on the island of Moorea, near Tahiti. HUAJIAO Apr 2021 #16
Ouch! MustLoveBeagles Apr 2021 #34
Yikes!!! H2O Man Apr 2021 #70
'Nature' is full of surprises !!! HUAJIAO Apr 2021 #74
Ms. Lee was fired for telling the TRUTH Skittles Apr 2021 #17
+1000 CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #18
Lovely quiet scene. electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #22
I'm happy to see you posting. PETRUS Apr 2021 #26
I have been seeing a lot of them here lately druidity33 Apr 2021 #28
I have not seen any of those guineas since I was a kid. kentuck Apr 2021 #29
Love your animal stories Saoirse9 Apr 2021 #30
Here's a Wild Turkey we saw displaying its plumage yesterday at University of California Sacramento. NBachers Apr 2021 #32
I'm not too far from you shanti Apr 2021 #37
I haven't seen a wild turkey since I was a kid MustLoveBeagles Apr 2021 #35
I've seen one live malaise Apr 2021 #40
We have a flock in our woods. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #39
K&R spanone Apr 2021 #41
A "border collie" cat. Now that would be something to see. We have wild turkeys around, but even Vinca Apr 2021 #47
Acts of simple grace and the stories we share about them save us. nolabear Apr 2021 #55
I thought this post was about whiskey! jcgoldie Apr 2021 #60

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,619 posts)
1. I love your thoughtful, quiet posts, my dear H20 Man...
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 05:48 PM
Apr 2021

It's like seeing into a space that is full of intelligence and wisdom, not to mention love.

Thank you for giving us this healthy glimpse of a ever-youthful and contemplative mind.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
43. The strange thing, Peggy,
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 12:28 PM
Apr 2021

is that literally every person I've been speaking with for the last 72 hours is talking about that turkey! (grin)

Russell Means, the co-founder of the American Indian Movement (AIM) and Chingackgook in the 1992 movie "Last of the Mohicans,' said that since humans were the only non-essential to the web of life on earth, are therefore supposed to be students -- rather than stewards -- of nature.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
3. i love watching wild turkeys.. we have a flock of about 20 that make the rounds in this..
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 05:55 PM
Apr 2021

..end of our canyon. I see them roost in my pine trees at night and watch them sail so effortlessly down into my driveway. Sometimes the go into the fenced yard and wow do the dogs like that!

However all 4 of my dogs got sick 2 weeks ago..Im too far from a vet to just rush them in. It worked thru their system but I am sure it was salmonella from the turkey poop they eat. ( as we have an outbreak amongst birds in this area)

So just watch out for turkey poop!

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
4. Their poops are huge, too.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:02 PM
Apr 2021

Turks used to roost under our porch. Pooped all over the patio. Dog did love the poop.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
48. When I went out
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 12:35 PM
Apr 2021

at dusk yesterday, I was amazed at how high up in the pine tree she was roosting at. I had hoped to watch her come down this morning, but by the crack of dawn, she was already nestled by the coup.

I found, years ago, that my son's ducks and geese shit the most. A guy in the area who had an inground swimming pool found that the ducks he had bought had no problem getting over the fence and making quite a mess.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
5. I love Guineas.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:04 PM
Apr 2021

My grandmother always had a flock. Love when they got excited and chased varmints out of the barnyard.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
50. Here in the northeast,
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 12:51 PM
Apr 2021

their popularity went down by the 1970s. It was a harder to get them then, unless you were on good terms with a few farmers around here. But with Lyme disease/ deer ticks, there has been a steep increase in popularity.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
49. My son told me
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 12:49 PM
Apr 2021

that someone down the road has a flock of one of the other types of Guineas. I have the most common speckled ones. The other person has the larger black ones. (I think there are four types.)

My father raised them when he was a kid. I started raising birds when I was seven -- which was a long, long time ago! My impression is that fewer and fewer people were raising them, until the deer ticks became a serious problem. Now they are becoming more popular, at least in the northeast.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
6. Thought you were talking about the old "Kickn Chicken"
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:12 PM
Apr 2021

Wild Turkey 101, one of my many weapons of choice when I drank. 101 Birds in a glass.

Celerity

(43,361 posts)
21. try Wild Turkey Rare Breed Barrel Proof, ridiculously cheap for the quality, streets ahead of 101
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 07:45 PM
Apr 2021

So much Bourbon is just insanely overhyped and overpriced today (do not even get me started on my main brown liquor, single malt Scotch, lolol). I included a video about this below. It is worth the watch, the bloke is really funny (and tells the truth).

Cheers!







Top Overhyped and Overpriced Bourbons & Whiskeys!

Celerity

(43,361 posts)
31. Yes, absolutely sippable neat. Bourbon, even more than Scotch, when cut down, loses so much
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 09:04 PM
Apr 2021

of its flavour profile in most cases. You also have the option (one we take all the time) with a high proof bottling to cut it with good water yourself and find your own happy medium. That video I posted is a good example of a knowledgeable bourbon connoisseur talking about proof strength.

Here in Sweden the state runs an absolute liquor monopoly (Systembolaget) and it has a great upside of charging only retail (plus the obligatory high tax) for ALL spirits and beer, wine, etc. We get insanely good deals on rare AF bottles/cans (you do have to instantly buy them and many times and they will sell out quickly) of wine, beer and hard liquor. Hundreds of USD less for some of the higher end/rare offerings than what many Americans living in the US pay, due to US law allowing mark-ups.

Blanton's Straight From The Barrel (not a real favourite of mine but crazy popular in the US and globally) costs us (in USD) around 85-95 dollars. Wholesale (if you have a license or know someone who does) is only around 65-70 usd

these are wholesale prices in Swedish kronor (divide by 10 and then add 15% to get a rough conversion to USD at current FOREX rates)



589kr is around 67 usd

Now look at the USA prices on wine searcher, in USD

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/nv+blantons+straight+the+barrel+bourbon+whisky+kentucky+usa/0?Xcurrencycode=USD&Xsavecurrency=Y







Skål!

liberaltrucker

(9,129 posts)
36. Good info. Thanks!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 12:59 AM
Apr 2021

For the really good hooch, looks like prohibition is still here
for us regular folks here in the USA. Still possible, though, to
enjoy a very good single malt scotch or bourbon in the $100
price range. I checked the price here in PA of the aforementioned
Wild Turkey. $86 + sales tax, so off to the liquor store tomorrow!



H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
53. Ah!!!!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 01:04 PM
Apr 2021

If only I still drank!

My oldest brother drank a lot of Wild Turkey. He was the only one of the extended family -- over the generations -- that picked that over a good Irish whiskey. (I was recently gifted with a 5-gallon jug, as my great-grandfather's brother was a bootlegger in western NY. It was one of his.)

Celerity

(43,361 posts)
57. My favourite (non outrageous price) Irish whiskey is Redbreast 15 Year Old Single Pot Still
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 01:35 PM
Apr 2021

The 21 Year Old is even better, but you are talking about 225-275 usd a bottle. The summit is the 27yo, but now you are into top line (for a normal range) single malt Scotch prices, 450 to 500 usd a pop.

The 15 year old can be found for 75 to 85 usd.



https://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/redbreast/redbreast-15-year-old-whiskey/





https://www.redbreastwhiskey.com/en-EN/the-range/redbreast-15-year-old-whiskey



my favourite whisky/whiskey reviewer, a German bloke, Horst Luening

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
58. Thank you!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 01:51 PM
Apr 2021

As soon as my younger son gets back from CA, I'll show this to him. Both he and one sister love good whiskey .....by coincidence, perhaps, they are the two that box. (grin)

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
51. Ha!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 12:59 PM
Apr 2021

All of my now-adult children have had to put up with my telling them stories about my brother, who loved Wild Turkey. He consumed huge flocks of bottles of the stuff after he retired from boxing. He died in January, and so most of the Wild Turkey stories are about good memories. (There were, by the very laws of nature, a few times when I had to deal with a Banty Irish fighting rooster!) My sister-in-law asked me to name the turkey hen "Tom" after my brother.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
52. I am sorry to hear of the loss of your brother
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 01:03 PM
Apr 2021

It has been a year of loss for you, I think through your other posts that you have also lost a parent. Your advice on estates has been helpful and had me looking at things in my parent post life planning. They are both in their 80’s and generally healthy, but it makes sense to talk to them now about their wants.

I always enjoy reading what you have to say!

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
54. Thank you!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 01:18 PM
Apr 2021

My brother lived a good life, lots of adventures. I find myself thinking of him and the good times we had. I think that we are born with a certain number of days in our hands. The separation we experience is tough -- there is no greater pain that I've seen that a parent losing a child -- but is part of the life cycle. The late boxing trainer Cus D'Amato used to say that nature is a great educator: when we hit a certain age, we begin losing family and friends, old friends from school and former co-workers. Then we recognize what the future holds for us, and begin to enjoy the littlest of things fully.

Karadeniz

(22,516 posts)
8. We had Guineas. They would fly over a large gate, then scream and yell to have the gate opened so
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:14 PM
Apr 2021

They could go back in. For hours and hours. Screaming and yelling. They never flew back over the gate. They spent their lives role modeling the term "bird-brained."

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
56. Exactly!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 01:28 PM
Apr 2021

A couple of them have a difficult time navigating the open door on their pen. They just keep on trying to get through the wire next to the open door. They remind me a bit of republicans in that sense, though I far prefer hanging out with the birds.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
9. Alan Dershowitz, Jeffrey Epstein's friend, has big pull in elite circles.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:27 PM
Apr 2021

Ask any pervert you happen to see: Trumpnosis begets Trumpophilia, the shared psychosis.

OTOH, intelligent people can still think for themselves. How Dump did it:



Hypnotist Richard Barker Shows How Trumpnosis, Donald Trump's Form of Covert Hypnosis, Affects Millions Around the World

NEWS PROVIDED BY
Richard Barker, Incredible Hypnotist
Mar 29, 2016, 08:35 ET

ORLANDO, Fla., March 29, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Hypnotist Richard Barker has just released research surrounding mass hypnosis and has coined the phrase "Trumpnosis".

Trumpnosis.com has been receiving lots of interest as of late. Covert hypnosis means having access to people's subconscious mind and altering the way they behave and think in a disguised or somewhat hidden way. Some popular covert hypnosis techniques used to align someone's behavior and thoughts to the desired outcome of the hypnotists are displayed during mass hypnosis.

Barker typically refers to mass hypnosis as "Trumpnosis", since he states, "Mr. Trump displays it so well". The media have also made comments regarding the Hypnotizing of a nation and questioned what is happening to America. Through the words and actions of an individual, can we influence and suggest a nation to think a certain way? Richard Barker who is known as the 'Incredible Hypnotist' thinks so. Barker said, "Everything we do and see must first start with a thought process. We don't see the world; we think it. If your thoughts are influenced by a master Hypnotist to think in a certain way on a mass level, this is 'Trumpnosis'".

Mass Hypnotism can apply to everything and be everywhere – in families, in schools and in politics. The influence and use of repetition on crowds is identified through Mr. Trump's speeches and is seen to influence even the most enlightened minds. The power is due to the fact that the repeated statements are embedded in those profound regions of our subconscious mind.

Donald Trump successfully uses techniques such as pacing and leading, anchoring, verbal confusion, repetition and so on. He successfully bypasses the critical factor in minds of some people and has the ability to turn off the rational thinking. By using certain words and behavior, a speaker can very quickly establish a rapport with an audience. Repeated exposure to the same speaker can result in them being viewed with admiration, bordering on worship. Every word uttered is accepted as the complete truth.

“ Through the words he has used, both now and in the past, he has placed others into a hypnotic state without them knowing," says Barker. "Trump's speeches contains hypnosis techniques of hypnotic anchoring, pacing and leading, critical factor bypass and so on."

Hypnotist Richard Barker insists, "All you need to remember is that most people's needs are based on their instincts. Understanding people's instincts, especially in a mass gathering, is one of the key goals of mass hypnosis. Trumpnosis is a vehicle for enabling large groups of people to have an altered belief system."

Richard Barker is a World Renowned Professional Hypnotist. He has spent the last 20 years working with thousands of clients across the world. Richard Barker has recently appeared on NBC's The Today Show, CBS' The Late Late Show with James Corden, FOX's Good Day LA and News channels for FOX and ABC http://incrediblehypnotist.com

He has written a new book focusing on Persuasion and Suggestion titled, "Selling Hypnotically. The Art Of Suggestion" http://sellinghypnotically.com

Source (press release for news, public use distribution and publication): https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hypnotist-richard-barker-shows-how-trumpnosis-donald-trumps-form-of-covert-hypnosis-affects-millions-around-the-world-300242345.html



Great memories, H2O Man. Thank you for sharing.

ShazzieB

(16,396 posts)
13. Interesting but
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:48 PM
Apr 2021

Wildly off topic?

Maybe you should do this as an o.p., so more people will see it. Just a thought!

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
20. Dr. Lee was let go, she alleges, after Dershowitz complained to Yale.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 07:35 PM
Apr 2021

She had mentioned Trump in need of psychological care in a 2017 NYT Op-Ed. She recently Tweeted about Dershowitz as a Trump supporter with a peculiar psychosis.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/03/30/psychiatrist-says-yale-dumped-her-over-alan-dershowitz-and-trump

Dershowitz admitted getting a massage from an “elderly woman” while in his undies at Epstein’s house. I kid you not.

https://www.theroot.com/alan-dershowitz-sure-i-got-a-massage-at-jeffrey-epstei-1836314016

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
25. She is remarkable. H2O Man knows a lot of great people.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:08 PM
Apr 2021

They like him, in part, because he knows a lot and he likes to share.

From 2005:

H20 Man, time to take a bow!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5087428

We at DU are so lucky.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
61. I'm working today
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 02:40 PM
Apr 2021

on the 4th in the series of interviews with Dr. Lee. She had made advances in our understanding of violence in individuals, families, and society well before Trump began running for president, as you know. Besides her books on the dangers of the Trump presidency and cult, she has engaged in numerous important activities that the mainstream media has ignored. The attempts to silence her go beyond Dershowitz.

More soon.

mackdaddy

(1,527 posts)
27. I had missed this, but I always thought Trumps Rally speeches sound like a hypnosis show.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:28 PM
Apr 2021

One of Dr Lee's messages was that Trump's psychosis could be transmitted to others. This was what contributed to her firing.

I am certainly no expert, but those droning simplistic command statements that Trump always bleated out for hours seemed very similar to the hypnotic suggestion command that the stage and street hypnotist used in their demonstrations. I was interested in the subject and and there are many YTube vids of these people.

I always thought that it was mystifying how other wise intelligent adults could buy into the total BS the the Trump show put out. But if a large percentage of Trumpanzes are more susceptible to this type of trance it could partially explain how they really are believing in an alternative reality.

Maybe Trump does not even know he is doing this consciously, but this could be one of the ways this psychosis spreads.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
42. The MAGAmorphosis
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:11 AM
Apr 2021

Things get scary sick, fast.





The Final Lesson Donald Trump Never Learned From Roy Cohn

The unrepentant political hitman who taught a younger Trump how to flout the rules didn’t get away with it forever.


By MICHAEL KRUSE
Politico, September 19, 2019

One of Donald Trump’s most important mentors, one of the most reviled men in American political history, is about to have another moment.

Roy Cohn, who has been described by people who knew him as “a snake,” “a scoundrel” and “a new strain of son of a bitch,” is the subject of a new documentary out this week from producer and director Matt Tyrnauer. It’s an occasion to once again look at Cohn and ask how much of him and his “savage,” “abrasive” and “amoral” behavior is visible in the behavior of the current president. Trump, as has been well-established, learned so much from the truculent, unrepentant Cohn about how to get what he wants, and he pines for Cohn and his notorious capabilities still. Trump, after all, reportedly has said so himself, and it’s now the name of this film: “Where’s My Roy Cohn?”

What Cohn could, and did, get away with was the very engine of his existence. The infamous chief counsel for the red-baiting, Joseph McCarthy-chaired Senate subcommittee in the 1950s, Cohn was indicted four times from the mid-’60s to the early ’70s—for stock-swindling and obstructing justice and perjury and bribery and conspiracy and extortion and blackmail and filing false reports. And three times he was acquitted—the fourth ended in a mistrial—giving him a kind of sneering, sinister sheen of invulnerability. Cohn, Tyrnauer’s work reaffirms, took his sanction-skirting capers and twisted them into a sort of suit of armor.

Snip...

“I decided long ago,” Cohn once told Penthouse, “to make my own rules.”

He was acquitted in ’64, and he was acquitted in ’69, and he was acquitted in ’71, all the while thumbing his nose at the feds, but Cohn’s screw-you stance was a lifelong philosophy, entitlement plus boldness.

He was “an incredibly spoiled princeling of an only child,” Cohn cousin David Lloyd Marcus told me. “He always got his way,” recalled his favorite aunt. As an adult, the resting expression on his face, which was marred by a scar that ran like a scrape down the middle of his nose, was a mixture of “arrogant disdain” and a “whipped-dog look,” people observed, “caught somewhere between a pout and a challenging glare.”

Continues...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144



An important picture that ties things from commie-hunting Joe McCarthy era to Richard Nixon to Ronald Reagan to Donald Trump via Roger Stone and Associates and the late Jeffrey Epstein:



The Ghost of Roy Cohn

BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014

EXCERPT...

In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into America’s secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).

Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a “Pedophile Book” hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.

I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohn’s hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilson’s modus operandi:

“Historically, one of Wilson’s Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary…. Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh…. A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras…. The technicians in charge of filming… were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office.” (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)

According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilson’s operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfrey’s outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfrey’s outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.

SOURCE:

https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/



The same Roy Cohn who taught Donald Drumpf also schooled Roger Stone and Jeffrey Epstein...



... Who knew what when? In Palo Alto, after Epstein’s conviction, he was a guest at a dinner for the MIT neuroscientist Ed Boyden that was hosted by LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman. At the same dinner Elon Musk introduced Epstein to Mark Zuckerberg. Is money so powerful that it tramples all other considerations? As James Baldwin put it, “I can’t believe what you say, because I see what you do.”

One of the most remarkable moments in Tyrnauer’s documentary comes near the end, when it’s no longer possible to pretend that Cohn isn’t a liar and a fraud, when it’s no longer possible to deny that he lacks both shame and conscience. When Cohn was about to be disbarred in 1986 for defrauding his clients and for taking advantage of a dying and incompetent man, character witnesses began to emerge. There were letters to the court from William F. Buckley Jr., Barbara Walters, William Safire, and, of course, Trump, who wrote that Cohn “has been extremely loyal and extremely honest.” Were Cohn’s parties—was his protection—really that good?...

Source: https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a29130905/roy-cohn-documentary-wheres-my-roy-cohn/



It’s conceivable Matt Gaetz got some learnin’, too.




H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
59. Hey there!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 02:28 PM
Apr 2021

I find Alan Dershowitz to be as honest as Rep. Matt Gaetz. A couple of puds.

I've been talking with Dr. Lee. Powerful lady. They may come to wish they hadn't tried to silence her. There are also a lot of people eager to stand up for her. I've activated a network of such people across the country -- including some talented individuals I haven't had the pleasure of coordinating with in decades -- and will post an essay on DU asking for help soon.

Arkansas Granny

(31,516 posts)
10. Not only do Guineas eat ticks, they are excellent watchdogs.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:28 PM
Apr 2021

We didn't raise them, but the lady down the road had some. We could hear them squawking when they got upset by something. As I recall, her Guinea hens preferred to roost in the trees instead of the coop.

I've been told that the eggs are highly prized for baking because they are richer than chicken eggs.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
63. Right.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:31 PM
Apr 2021

When I was young, and my father introduced me to Guinea hens, he said that they were the best watchdogs! And they do prefer roosting in trees. A lady I know got some last spring, and attempted to "free range" them without the leadship qualities of the common chicken -- who can always be trusted to come home to roost. Hence, she never saw her birds a second day. I told her to try raising a few chicks with chicken chicks, and the Guineas will come home, too.

malaise

(268,998 posts)
11. Amazing what we learn from other critters
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:29 PM
Apr 2021

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Today the kitten of one of the feral cats ate at my feet for the first time. It's amazing how much pleasure I get from this simple moment. It speaks of trust - just like your wild turkey.
I'll start taming it tomorrow - not sure of its gender.

And yes I thought of you immediately when I saw that Dr. Bandy was fired.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
64. Very nice!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:37 PM
Apr 2021

I have a garage hang-out for the neighborhood cats, including some feral cats. My kids tell me that if I didn't provide so much food, they wouldn't hang out here so often. However, we don't have rodents, and I'd rather feed the cats! I've got several that are pretty tame now. I bought one of those wands, with a long bouncy string, and a cloth "mouse" stuffed with catnip, that is useful in getting them used to me. Two of them will follow me when I go out to the pond, something I look forward to doing soon.

malaise

(268,998 posts)
69. I've noticed two pretty tame cats around here recently
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:50 PM
Apr 2021

I think the restaurant shut downs mean no food so they are following our ferals to get a meal.

Love that idea - I have a few cat toys for the kittens. Even the tough old alpha male is my friend these days And yes the cats work for their food - they keep the rats and mice away.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
71. Even the feral cats
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:03 PM
Apr 2021

around here have been buddies with a couple of our dogs over the years. My late dog Sam believed himself to be a substitute mother for some of the kittens -- he'd lay down and curl up with them when they were sleeping. He brought a chipmunk into the house one time, too. I wasn't sure how I could get it out without hurting or scaring it, until my youngest daughter picked it up and brought it outside.

malaise

(268,998 posts)
73. Many decades ago I had two dogs and a cat named Pushkin
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:45 PM
Apr 2021

Pushkin would sit on the piano and terrorize the dogs. They were great friends. She was the only cat I knew who would come for the walk with the dogs. Sadly there were other dogs not like ours and one morning I woke up and wondered why she hadn't come through the window to wake me.
A neighborhood dog killed poor Pushkin. I've only fed feral cats since then.

Harker

(14,018 posts)
72. Good question, stout fellow.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:09 PM
Apr 2021

My wife and I are preparing to establish a small herd of chickens. We were looking at various breeds just yesterday.

She'll get a snort of that one!

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
65. In some curious ways,
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:40 PM
Apr 2021

it is! I knew I count count on others here to bring that to light! That was my late brother's favorite drink after he retired from the ring. My sister-in-law asked me to name the hen "Tom" in memory for his passion for bottles of Wild Turkey!

HUAJIAO

(2,385 posts)
16. I was once attacked by a wild turkey on the island of Moorea, near Tahiti.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:53 PM
Apr 2021


The later the same day by a peacock !!!

Wasn't my day....

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
70. Yikes!!!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:55 PM
Apr 2021

I was once attacked by a swan -- this despite my mistaken preconceived notion that as a majestic bird, they were surely gentle. Lord, did I find out just how wrong I was!

A couple decades ago, my son had ducks and geese here, and the geese in particular could be aggressive. And my children all delight in the memory of my being viciously attacked by a barred rock rooster while on my then-icy lawn! Fell flat on my back, as the rooster I had named "Mike Tyson" danced upon me. (Years later, one with rather large spurs put a puncture into my son's leg. I said that was revenge for his laughing about my experience.)

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
26. I'm happy to see you posting.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:11 PM
Apr 2021

I read about Dr. Lee - the news upset me - and thought of you.

Hope all's well as can be, and good luck with your notebook and pen!

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
28. I have been seeing a lot of them here lately
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:30 PM
Apr 2021

in rural Western MA. Every year i see groups of over 20 of them in the fields nearby early in the morning on my way to work. The sound of them coming down from roosting in a big group is quite something, especially if you're not expecting it. As an aside, i have been reading barnyard books to my 1.5 year old and making all sorts of implausible animal sounds (how does one roar like a lion? And does a kangaroo really make a boing boing sound?). Not one of the books i've come across has a turkey in it making the "gobble gobble" noise. Which is a joy to hear in and of itself. Truly i would prefer it as our National Bird, not quite so regal as the eagle true, but still...

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
29. I have not seen any of those guineas since I was a kid.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:30 PM
Apr 2021

I was amazed at high far they could fly from one side of a mountain to the other.

Good to see you again, H2O Man!

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
30. Love your animal stories
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:54 PM
Apr 2021

Like you I am devastated about Dr. Lee.

Looking forward to hearing about what comes next.

NBachers

(17,110 posts)
32. Here's a Wild Turkey we saw displaying its plumage yesterday at University of California Sacramento.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 09:05 PM
Apr 2021

My Shanghainese friend got all excited and started exclaiming, "The famous Open Turkey!" It was the first time she'd actually seen a turkey open and displaying. They've kind of adopted the campus region, and are quite visible. We saw some crossing the street, with one displaying as a warning to approaching cars.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
37. I'm not too far from you
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 01:17 AM
Apr 2021

(eastern suburb of Sac), and have seen flocks of turkey hens several times just sauntering down the street in the early morning hours. Never have seen a tom though. Since Sac State is by the American River, which I'm not too far from myself, it's probably where they live.

Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
39. We have a flock in our woods.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 06:25 AM
Apr 2021

They come out once or twice a year, typically in the fall, and parade across the field. 20-30 of them. Doing their thing, which includes of course the adult males displaying their impressive plumage.

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
47. A "border collie" cat. Now that would be something to see. We have wild turkeys around, but even
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 12:33 PM
Apr 2021

with the bird feeder they've never come near enough to the house to see them up close. I didn't know about Guinea hens and deer ticks. Interesting. I've tried to encourage possums to live our vicinity (more seeds) because they also eat deer ticks. They really made a dent in them last year.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
55. Acts of simple grace and the stories we share about them save us.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 01:20 PM
Apr 2021

The world is screaming nonstop, and it’s so important to tell these small stories of connection and warmth. I’d like to see more of that here, and everywhere.

Thank you, the guinea fowl, the chickens and that lucky turkey. ❤️

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