What is this personal choice BS??

[Tink41]

Lately I've been hearing from family members, the decision to social distance, get a vaccine, attend/not attend a large gathering during this pandemic, is a personal choice.
Please explain this thinking to me. What side of the political spectrum does this fall? To me it screams Libertarian, but what do I know? Honest to God, after this is all over I dread going back to seeing these people. This Pandemic has made me rethink everything
and made it way easier to set boundaries.

[Skittles]

1. it's just plain selfish behavior

a hallmark of conservatism

[Tink41]

4. I question myself evryday

Am I the asshole? The crazy? Why can't people just do the right thing? Not the right thing for themselves.

[rampartc]

8. incredibly, tink, avoiding catching or spreading's a deadly disease

is "the right thing for themselves.."

they refuse to believe that this is a deadly disease, or that they have any part to play in the solution.

[Tink41]

11. Well they gave a clear thought process today

That the whole deal is your choice. A personal choice. Bewildering. Maddening. I just can't figure out how you come to this conclusion, or what thoughts lead you there?

[jimfields33]

28. I've been hearing, "my body, my choice"

Talk about hypocrisy.

[brush]

33. And I'm betting those same people are against women who say...

"My body, my choice."

[jimfields33]

37. Definitely!

[dweller]

2. fatnixon fucked it all up

eom

✌🏻

[TreasonousBastard]

3. It was Typhoid Mary's choice to work in restaurants.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

14. Lol! Good example!

She ultimately lost her freedom after being detained and warned previously.

[Silent3]

5. They don't understand the concept of civic duty

That does tend to be a common Libertarian failing.

Then again, I'm sure there's stuff that they'd expect you to do as a citizen, whether you want to or not.

That's not a particular political position, that's just being hypocritical assholes.

Well, that is what being Republican means these days, come to think of it.

[grantcart]

6. My personal choice will be to not go to a movie theater, store, etc That doesn't

honor a vaccine card/passport.

[Tink41]

16. What does that mean?

What is a vaccine passport? And what are the specifics on establishments honoring them? Meaning you can't come in unless you are
vaccinated?

[grantcart]

40. Years ago you needed to have a vaccine passport to travel

Now it can be done with a phone app.

The UK will be implementing it in 3 months and it will be mandatory for large group events.

In Asia they have been using a phone app with testing. If you tested negative your phone would show green and you could enter any store.

If you were positive you had to quarantine. You were provided food, your door was sealed for 2 weeks and social workers called you on the phone twice a day. If you got bad symptoms they came and got you. Once you tasted negative you were green.

In Thailand where the total death toll is less than 200 they had no cases for several months. Somehow a DJ got it. Because of the use of the phone app they were able to ID 200 people he had been in contact with in 1 day.

They all went to red, got tested and a few were positive and were quarantined, and the outbreak contained.

We are at the stone age level of contact tracing while other countries have contained it with mandatory tracing and control.

[Rorey]

7. I think I've gotten less nice over the last year

I find myself wishing the virus on people who won't follow the protocol. I know it's wrong, especially because everyone who gets it is a spreader and can spread it to innocent people. It's also wrong on a moral level, I know, but, damn it, I want the assholes to pay a price.

[Tink41]

9. I don't wish it on anyone.

I have made a few dumb decisions, "let my guard down" but I admonish myself and don't double down on bad decisions. I thank the gods everyday, my entire family is healthy and no one I personally know has fallen to this. I like rules, and order, and guidelines.

[MLAA]

10. I hear ya

A couple days ago we went to CVS prescription drive through. We were the second car. That car had this whole collection of right wing idiocy including his official license plate was ANTIDEM. Some really hateful stuff. I said to my husband I hope the asshole is here for a COVID test and not to pick up a prescription.

Sure enough, he deposited his test in the white box outside the drive through. I wanted to yell why are you getting tested, it’s a hoax asshole. Husband suggested I refrain since he had all the gun stickers.

[Tink41]

13. WOW!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

20. OMG!

It reminds me of similar decals that I saw on the back of huge pick-up trucks, driven by guys who were tail-gating my Prius.

So I'd usually pull over, despite already driving faster than the speed limit, and watched as the trucks passed me and then slowed down too.

[Marie Marie]

12. Some people just slap the nice right out of you.

My tolerance for people's stupidity and selfishness has been lowered significantly.

[Efilroft Sul]

17. Speaking only for myself, I hope all these virus-huggers fuck off and die.

People will tell me that's an awful statement to make, but when virus-huggers refuse to wear a mask, refuse to practice social distancing measures, and refuse to get the vaccine, they are prolonging the problem and essentially telling us to fuck off and die.

So the feeling's mutual with me and the enemy within.

[Rorey]

18. I can pretend I don't wish it on anyone

But that would be me being dishonest. If there was a way for ONLY the idiots to suffer the consequences of their idiocy, I'd be very okay with that.

As you said, they're prolonging the problem. I believe in consequences for actions.

[Efilroft Sul]

21. I told a whole bunch of my Facebook friends last week that they could FOAD.

They were the same people who thought we should all come together after 9/11, that "we're all in this together."

Now they refuse to be good Americans so they can "own the libs." Fuck. Off. And. Die.

[Rorey]

26. I admire your character and your resolve

[SoCalDavidS]

29. I Feel The Same nt

[kentuck]

15. Interesting question.

I think this pandemic has changed all of us. The way we see others and the way we see ourselves. We are not so quick to overlook stupid selfishness.

It's like being in a foxhole for a year. You really get to know your friends.

[Rorey]

25. In pre-pandemic life I was mostly pretty chill about the actions of others

But this is life and death. I just can't tolerate the stupidity or rudeness, or whatever it happens to be.

[vlyons]

19. Pure selfishness

nt

[dsc]

22. until now the anti vax view was restricted to a smattering of fools on

the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Not it seems to have infected much of the far right and ebbed on the far left.

[blm]

24. ✔️

Russia helped.

[multigraincracker]

23. I had always thought that with every right

comes with a responsibility.

[TreasonousBastard]

31. It does. But that part is too often forgotten, probably because it might mean effort is required.

[GoodRaisin]

27. The right wing response to the pandemic is a subset of Trumpism.

It is but one of the many repugnant behaviors brought out during the Trump presidency that choosing to be a selfish asshole is okay, or their “constitutional right”. Perhaps, for some, their excuse for choosing to do the wrong thing when they know it’s wrong but can’t distance themselves from their ideology. So they invent nonsense about “personal choices” to explain away their bad behavior.

[keithhs28]

30. There is only one choice now.

Comply or die.

That's the only "choice" these days.

Mother nature has made sure there is going to be no more 'freedom loving' - Covid is not going away. The entire planet has to adapt to a new normal.

Comply or die...it's that simple.

[Solly Mack]

32. Because the "common good" is a concept they don't agree with or adhere to.

They're selfish but they'll claim it's all about taking personal responsibility.

They won't wear a mask, won't get vaccinated, won't follow any protocols - and if they get sick, it's on them. Not your problem. Doesn't affect you.

Of course that's bullshit thinking.

They also think if they get sick and pass it on that it's not their fault. See, the person they infected should have taking personal responsibility - and if they had, they wouldn't have gotten sick.

Don't look for logic in their thinking.

For example - The idiot refuses to wear a mask, goes into a store, gets close to people, never sanitizes their hands, touches everything, and acts as if there is nothing to worry about. So if you go to the store and they are there and if you're worried then they think you should leave. That would be you taking personal responsibility, to their thinking.

It's up to everyone else to avoid them as they go about their lives pretending everything is normal.

They think - It's not up to them to work for the common good. It's up to everyone else to respect the freedom of the idiots.

Because they believe it's their right to behave as if there is no pandemic. No deadly virus killing people.

Stupidity and selfishness. Ignorance. Denial.

[Tink41]

39. Here's the thing

They are getting vaccinated, wearing masks, avoiding the sick and crowds. BUT they feel no one should advise or offer opinion on what to do and not do. For instance, if you have a group of friends that decide to have a milestone birthday party bash right now, it's your personal choice on whether to attend or not. No responsibility falls to the hosts. That is complete and utter insanity to me.
We have been told by the medical community these events need to hold off at the very least til we have herd immunity.

[KT2000]

34. Have heard that on too

It must be making the rounds on RW media.

[OhioChick]

35. It's total BS.....

They're endangering our lives by not complying.

We've already lost 3500+Healthcare Workers and they're sick and tired of this endless bullshit.

[secondwind]

36. I hear you!

I just learned that some relatives in MIA are refusing the vaccine... they are a supporters of the last guy..

Even now, with all that is out there, they still support him.

[Hortensis]

38. Depraved indifference to life is always "personal," even if driven

by factional spite or loyalty to a cult leader, can't be anything but.

[struggle4progress]

41. Whether or not you shit on public sidewalks is a personal choice!

Whether or not you drive the wrong way up the interstate is a personal choice!

Whether or not you aim laser pointers at airplanes is a personal choice!

Whether or not you expose yourself on school playgrounds is a personal choice!

Whether or not you walk about with pipe-bombs in your vest is a personal choice!