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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders Has 'No Problem With Going to West Virginia' to Pressure Joe Manchin
Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said he would have "no problem" with traveling to West Virginia to pressure Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) over raising the minimum wage to $15 and other policies that the latter opposes but most of the Democratic caucus supports.
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In response, Sanders said he is not the president, but that he is pleased with the passage of the $1.9 trillion relief package under President Joe Biden, describing it as the "most significant piece of legislation for working-class people" in modern U.S. history.
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On pressuring Manchin, Sanders added: "I have no problem with going to West Virginia, and I think we need a grassroots movement that makes it clear to Joe Manchin and everybody else in the United States Senate, including Republicans, that the progressive agenda is what the American people want.
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"These are not my arguments, these are what the American people want right now, and our job is to rally the American people in every state in this country to make sure that the government starts working for the working class in this country, not just the one percent."
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https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-joe-manchin-15-minimum-wage-1580991
TexasTowelie
(111,972 posts)That seems a lot easier.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....buttonhole him in the Senate Chamber.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Manchin needs to get heavy pressure from his constituents, to overcome the massive corporate dollars.
Besides, WV is a fairly easy drive from DC.
brooklynite
(94,376 posts)Those same constituents just voted for Trump and Shelley Moore Capito.
lapucelle
(18,190 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)The Independent senator from Vermont doesn't have much influence over Joe's constituency. It's just more counterproductive grandstanding by Sanders.
Sympthsical
(9,041 posts)Or is that somehow different because it's not Bernie.
Sometimes the Bernie hate-boner doesn't follow logic so good.
appalachiablue
(41,103 posts)PatSeg
(47,282 posts)If Bernie's actual intent is just to change Manchin's mind, was it necessary to publicly announce what he was going to do ahead of time? I can't imagine voters in West Virginia being persuaded by the senator from Vermont. Two very different worlds represented by two very different individuals.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Omnipresent
(5,697 posts)Im sure they are trying to get him to switch sides.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)He voted twice to convict the orange monkey. The trumpanzees will primary him out in 2024.
His political fortunes lie in cooperating with the Dems. Why can't he understand that?
Demsrule86
(68,474 posts)TwilightZone
(25,429 posts)His only path to continue being a Senator is through the Democratic Party. The Republicans in WV are not going to pick a moderate as their candidate.
Demsrule86
(68,474 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)He switches to goop, Democrats won't want him and the trumpanzees won't want him, and the state is chock filled with trumpanzees the last time I checked.
Tell he how he will last.
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Which is he? Vulnerable or popular?
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)You might wanna check your calendar, guy.
George II
(67,782 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)he'd accomplish ASIDE FROM possibly inflaming antagonisms among Manchin's voters and deepening divisions?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It is funny to see, thanks.
But it's also an illustration of what I meant. These Sanders loyalists were not there to build consensus with others who lived there. They've come, from all over usually, to cheer and yell their support over those around them.
In that respect they're a lot like Trump's loyalists.
They're liable to create a noisy show for Sanders himself, but what would it do FOR Democrats and our hugely important agenda?
Our For the People Act to save democracy?
Our giant American Jobs Plan for human, climate, energy, and physical infrastructure, literally to save the world?
Another existential election NEXT YEAR?
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)nice people.
But the antagonistic bro types! Those who swarm those they don't like on social media, smear and dox them, turn some NextDoor sites into battlefields, and drive long distances, including to WV, to provide noisy support wherever their leader goes!
The biggest difference in behavior between them and Trump's is that Trump draws far more of them to him.
One commonality, though, is that they all want to run Democrat Manchin out of office. And that's something that people wondering about what on earth's going on need to note.
sheshe2
(83,660 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Walk me through that thinking like I'm five years old.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)with conservatives, which Sanders of course would not have accepted.
Instead, hardly surprising, Sanders' event drew some of his own enthusiastic supporters to Bethlehem, PA to mix with locals. Almost all of us watched and remember it, btw, but I just looked to confirm the details.
Sanders supporters stood in line for hours to get in, same as at other Sanders events. They're a lot like committed Trump supporters in that some came to multiple events to cheer their leader. Which we see on that video. Sanders talked, his people in the audience cheered.
As for Fox, yes, Baier was unable to control his sometimes rowdy audience, Sanders did, but why did Murdoch's Trump channel put on a town hall for a Democratic candidate (and only this one) in the first place?
Demsrule86
(68,474 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)And telling them what Manchin's keeping from them.
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....on his side"? Who were the people in the audience, and where did that take place?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)There's google.
Make magic.
George II
(67,782 posts)Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)
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wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Squeeze Manchin where it hurts, and dare him to switch parties.
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)So how are they going to squeeze him? They certainly aren't going to follow Sanders lead.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)The infrastructure bill, Manchin is all in on it. If he acts funny, cut funding to West Virginnie.
There's also his wife's appointment to the Appalachian board and Manchin's chairmanship of the Energy Committee. Also bargaining chips if he so wants it.
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)pass. He has all the leverage.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Who would be stupid enough to sabotage that?
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)one's nose to spite one's face.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)to risk a Democratic majority that would give his state pork so that he can put his name on all the infrastructure projects.
WarGamer
(12,369 posts)An hour and a half after cutting funding to WV, Manchin either a)retires or b)changes Party
Say HI to Leader Mitch.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)We've already discussed why this is the case, do not rehash it.
WarGamer
(12,369 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I'm still waiting.
Demsrule86
(68,474 posts)he gets reelected myself but we need to deal with the now...now 2024. We need Manchin or McConnell takes over. Sanders would be the worst Senator to send to WVA...Sherrod Brown maybe but not Sanders.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)give two fucks about 2024.
Manchin will lose in 2024 if he goes goop. And Bernie is just as capable of making the case to the people of W. Virginia as any other Democrat.
Demsrule86
(68,474 posts)We have three years until 2024...you let McConnell take over by pushing Manchin around and none of our people wins because nothing gets done.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)If there's a pathway for him to staying in power, he'll take it. And the only pathway is to cooperate with Dems.
sheshe2
(83,660 posts)WarGamer
(12,369 posts)I LOL at all the "Schumer's gotta' call Joe into his office for a tongue lashing, etc..."
betsuni
(25,380 posts)was still majority leader, the first thing he'd do: "I would be in the state of Kentucky holding a rally." Then he go to other states to hold rallies so the people would force their representatives to do their jobs. It's the revolution thing. "We need to rally the American people by the millions. That's what I mean by a political revolution."
sheshe2
(83,660 posts)Oh!
JI7
(89,241 posts)by a huge majority for governor.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,945 posts)Demsrule86
(68,474 posts)And he should not be labor secretary. I think Biden's pick was perfect.
WarGamer
(12,369 posts)What we DO NOT want is for Trump to take up temporary residence in WV and rally the 70% of WV'ers who voted for HIM to pressure Manchin to #resist
People just don't seem to understand.
Manchin is the thread... the slim and delicate THREAD holding the Democratic majority together.
Too much pressure and Mitch is the Majority Leader within 24 hours.
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)Autumn
(44,985 posts)It looks something like this: lol
Autumn
(44,985 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)Wont someone think of the Ballerinas?
betsuni
(25,380 posts)Dance triggered?
George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(44,985 posts)Monster!
George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(44,985 posts)Rhetorical question I'm sure.
George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(44,985 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(44,985 posts)72. Wasn't LBJ President of the United States?
If the shoe fits.
rhetorical question
[ ri-tawr-i-kuhl kwes-chuhn, -tor- ]noun Rhetoric.
a question asked solely to produce an effect or to make an assertion of affirmation or denial and not to elicit a reply, as Has there ever been a more perfect day for a picnic? or Are you out of your mind?
George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(44,985 posts)I damn well know that you know who and what LBJ was. Maybe another cup of coffee?
jalan48
(13,842 posts)jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)Between the white working class base that Bernie draws and the blue collar electorate that supports Manchin in WVa. There's light years between these two guys in terms of policy, not so much in terms of the voters they attract. I don't see anything wrong with Bernie trying to put some blue collar pressure on Joe Manchin.
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)While Manchin sucks up to Mitch and the trumplicons.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But beyond playing to his section of the bleachers, what on earth are you guys imagining he could do?
Nothing. Senators are independent. Unlike in the house even the leadership has little pressure to bring on senators who aren't anxious for better committee assignments. And Sanders is just another senator, and not even a Democrat at that. They both have one vote.
If you're imagining Sanders' obnoxious behavior could offend Manchin enough to push him into joining the Republicans, that's highly unlikely. Very notably, Manchin chose to be Democrat in a red state, which is not exactly the best way to get elected and stay in office. Even if he's much more conservative economically than we like, he identifies Democrat.
Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)I'm sure Righties are going bonkers about Manchin posturing and acting concerned, but in the end going with his party.
And that's what this is too, Manchin will vote for it and so will every other Dem, they might weaken a few things in it, but it will get done.
If we get infrastructure, there's 1 more bill that can pass this year, I would hope that student loan debt is in it.
DFW
(54,302 posts)On the other hand, there nothing to stop Manchin and West Virginia from telling Bernie where to stick it, either.
I'd give the public relations grandstanding a rest, and try some late-night jawboning where the public isn't watching or listening, and the press isn't recording every word to spin they way they want to.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid