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Uncle Joe

(58,298 posts)
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 03:22 PM Apr 2021

Bernie Sanders Has 'No Problem With Going to West Virginia' to Pressure Joe Manchin



Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said he would have "no problem" with traveling to West Virginia to pressure Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) over raising the minimum wage to $15 and other policies that the latter opposes but most of the Democratic caucus supports.

(snip)

In response, Sanders said he is not the president, but that he is pleased with the passage of the $1.9 trillion relief package under President Joe Biden, describing it as the "most significant piece of legislation for working-class people" in modern U.S. history.

(snip)

On pressuring Manchin, Sanders added: "I have no problem with going to West Virginia, and I think we need a grassroots movement that makes it clear to Joe Manchin and everybody else in the United States Senate, including Republicans, that the progressive agenda is what the American people want.

(snip)

"These are not my arguments, these are what the American people want right now, and our job is to rally the American people in every state in this country to make sure that the government starts working for the working class in this country, not just the one percent."

(snip)

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-joe-manchin-15-minimum-wage-1580991

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Bernie Sanders Has 'No Problem With Going to West Virginia' to Pressure Joe Manchin (Original Post) Uncle Joe Apr 2021 OP
Or Bernie could pick up the phone and give Manchin a call. TexasTowelie Apr 2021 #1
That depends on whether Manchin will pick up the phone wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #5
Or he could just walk down the hall in the Senate Office Building and talk to him. Or.... George II Apr 2021 #46
Easier but far less effective. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #73
And how is Bernie going to get Manchin's constituents to pressure him? brooklynite Apr 2021 #78
Maybe he should find out what the President would like him to do first. N/T lapucelle Apr 2021 #2
Maybe the President isn't his boss Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #6
And Bernie certainly isn't Manchin's boss either. comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #11
Was it incompetent grandstanding when VP Harris went on TV there and did what Sanders is suggesting? Sympthsical Apr 2021 #40
+1 appalachiablue Apr 2021 #77
Yeah, I'm not seeing how this would be helpful PatSeg Apr 2021 #75
Maybe the President is concerned with getting legislation actually passed. empedocles Apr 2021 #12
He's not the Majority Leader, either. Or the Democratic Whip. George II Apr 2021 #47
What do we do if we lose Joe, to the GOP? Omnipresent Apr 2021 #3
Manchin has no political future if he switches to goop wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #7
Yes he would those who think he wouldn't don't understand WVA. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #32
Sorry, but that's simply wrong. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #39
I used to live in WVA...he is a Senator despite being a Democrat based on the family name. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #42
Here's what will happen wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #58
Like him or not, he's very popular in West Virginia. George II Apr 2021 #49
So popular he won by 3 whopping points last election wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #53
It was a Presidential election year where trump won by 39%. George II Apr 2021 #57
2018 was a presidential election year? wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #59
You got me there! George II Apr 2021 #62
I thought we already did. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #74
Could be counterproductive. What on earth does Sanders imagine Hortensis Apr 2021 #4
Give Bernie his due, he knows how to speak to that audience wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #9
Lol, more fool him to take on an audience seeded with Sanders supporters. Hortensis Apr 2021 #17
You are so right! comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #20
I should of course mention that most who like Sanders are perfectly Hortensis Apr 2021 #31
+++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Apr 2021 #37
Why the hell would Fox fill the audience with Bernie supporters? wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #54
Fox reportedly didn't try to pack the town hall Hortensis Apr 2021 #65
Really when ? Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #33
If Manchin isn't going to listen to Joe Biden what makes people think he'd listen to Bernie Sanders? George II Apr 2021 #48
Bernie's speaking to Manchin's voters wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #55
Isn't Sanders the Junior Senator from Vermont? George II Apr 2021 #76
In general, I'm strongly opposed to any and all showboating politicians. NurseJackie Apr 2021 #69
How does that 21 seconds demonstrate "he knows how to speak to that audience and get them.... George II Apr 2021 #50
There's the link wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #56
Magic is only the art of illusion. George II Apr 2021 #60
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #8
Democrats should have done this a long time ago wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #10
They don't have any leverage over Manchin. comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #13
Yes they do wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #14
They need Manchin's vote or the bill doesn't comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #18
Then he has no pork, and he's a goner in 2024 wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #19
And the Democratic majority with him. It's like cutting off comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #22
I don't think Manchin is toweringly stupid enough wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #26
Brilliant. WarGamer Apr 2021 #25
Then Manchin is finished and out in 2024 wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #27
Yes, no rehashing. Manchin's not running in 24. ;) WarGamer Apr 2021 #28
And I've asked for demonstrable proof to that statement wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #29
Who gives two fucks about 2024? God willing, we will have a larger majority by then. I think Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #34
Democrats who want to win in 2024 wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #35
You say Manchin will lose and you are wrong. He may not run but should he run again he will win. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #43
Manchin has too big of an ego to quit wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #63
Then we lose our razor thin majority and we THE PEOPLE get nothing! sheshe2 Apr 2021 #36
correct. WarGamer Apr 2021 #24
He said the same thing about Mitch McConnell, that if he were president and Mitch betsuni Apr 2021 #16
That reminds me of, give me a minute... sheshe2 Apr 2021 #30
Yeah... betsuni Apr 2021 #41
... sheshe2 Apr 2021 #51
He can't even get his own state to support things. Republican was reelected JI7 Apr 2021 #15
Which is why sanders was not considered for labor secretary LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #38
Right there is a GOP governor in Vermont. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #44
Not sure it's the right strategy WarGamer Apr 2021 #21
+++++ comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #23
Do an LBJ on him. I would love to see that. Autumn Apr 2021 #45
Me too! Doremus Apr 2021 #61
LBJ was a master at that. Autumn Apr 2021 #79
That gif in your sigline has me very upset. I now need counseling. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #66
Those are not "ballerinas" betsuni Apr 2021 #68
Now that you remind me, you never responded to this one: George II Apr 2021 #71
But they are such pretty ballerinas! How can anyone not love them??? Autumn Apr 2021 #80
Wasn't LBJ President of the United States? George II Apr 2021 #72
He might have been George. He might have been a Senate leader. He might have been VP. Autumn Apr 2021 #82
Being President, or even Vice President or Majority Leader, isn't "rhetorical", Autumn. George II Apr 2021 #83
No. But your question certainly was George. nt Autumn Apr 2021 #85
No it wasn't, Autumn. nt George II Apr 2021 #86
Yes it was, George. Autumn Apr 2021 #87
A "yes/no" question isn't rhetorical. George II Apr 2021 #88
A question asked not to elicit a reply. I gave you two perfect examples George. Autumn Apr 2021 #89
Remind Manchin it's not just big coal he's representing. jalan48 Apr 2021 #52
I think there's some overlap... jcgoldie Apr 2021 #64
Bernie working for us! RandiFan1290 Apr 2021 #67
How, exactly? Your response proves grandstanding pleases some. Hortensis Apr 2021 #90
Manchin is like our Susan Collins Johnny2X2X Apr 2021 #70
There is probably nothing to stop Sanders from doing that DFW Apr 2021 #81
... SidDithers Apr 2021 #84

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. Or he could just walk down the hall in the Senate Office Building and talk to him. Or....
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:39 PM
Apr 2021

....buttonhole him in the Senate Chamber.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
73. Easier but far less effective.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:54 AM
Apr 2021

Manchin needs to get heavy pressure from his constituents, to overcome the massive corporate dollars.

Besides, WV is a fairly easy drive from DC.

brooklynite

(94,376 posts)
78. And how is Bernie going to get Manchin's constituents to pressure him?
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:40 AM
Apr 2021

Those same constituents just voted for Trump and Shelley Moore Capito.

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
11. And Bernie certainly isn't Manchin's boss either.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 03:57 PM
Apr 2021

The Independent senator from Vermont doesn't have much influence over Joe's constituency. It's just more counterproductive grandstanding by Sanders.

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
40. Was it incompetent grandstanding when VP Harris went on TV there and did what Sanders is suggesting?
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:36 PM
Apr 2021

Or is that somehow different because it's not Bernie.

Sometimes the Bernie hate-boner doesn't follow logic so good.

PatSeg

(47,282 posts)
75. Yeah, I'm not seeing how this would be helpful
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:02 AM
Apr 2021

If Bernie's actual intent is just to change Manchin's mind, was it necessary to publicly announce what he was going to do ahead of time? I can't imagine voters in West Virginia being persuaded by the senator from Vermont. Two very different worlds represented by two very different individuals.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
7. Manchin has no political future if he switches to goop
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 03:52 PM
Apr 2021

He voted twice to convict the orange monkey. The trumpanzees will primary him out in 2024.

His political fortunes lie in cooperating with the Dems. Why can't he understand that?

TwilightZone

(25,429 posts)
39. Sorry, but that's simply wrong.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:30 PM
Apr 2021

His only path to continue being a Senator is through the Democratic Party. The Republicans in WV are not going to pick a moderate as their candidate.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
58. Here's what will happen
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:48 PM
Apr 2021

He switches to goop, Democrats won't want him and the trumpanzees won't want him, and the state is chock filled with trumpanzees the last time I checked.

Tell he how he will last.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Could be counterproductive. What on earth does Sanders imagine
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 03:43 PM
Apr 2021

he'd accomplish ASIDE FROM possibly inflaming antagonisms among Manchin's voters and deepening divisions?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Lol, more fool him to take on an audience seeded with Sanders supporters.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:17 PM
Apr 2021

It is funny to see, thanks.

But it's also an illustration of what I meant. These Sanders loyalists were not there to build consensus with others who lived there. They've come, from all over usually, to cheer and yell their support over those around them.

In that respect they're a lot like Trump's loyalists.

They're liable to create a noisy show for Sanders himself, but what would it do FOR Democrats and our hugely important agenda?

Our For the People Act to save democracy?

Our giant American Jobs Plan for human, climate, energy, and physical infrastructure, literally to save the world?

Another existential election NEXT YEAR?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. I should of course mention that most who like Sanders are perfectly
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:47 PM
Apr 2021

nice people.

But the antagonistic bro types! Those who swarm those they don't like on social media, smear and dox them, turn some NextDoor sites into battlefields, and drive long distances, including to WV, to provide noisy support wherever their leader goes!

The biggest difference in behavior between them and Trump's is that Trump draws far more of them to him.

One commonality, though, is that they all want to run Democrat Manchin out of office. And that's something that people wondering about what on earth's going on need to note.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
54. Why the hell would Fox fill the audience with Bernie supporters?
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:43 PM
Apr 2021

Walk me through that thinking like I'm five years old.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
65. Fox reportedly didn't try to pack the town hall
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 04:56 AM
Apr 2021

with conservatives, which Sanders of course would not have accepted.

Instead, hardly surprising, Sanders' event drew some of his own enthusiastic supporters to Bethlehem, PA to mix with locals. Almost all of us watched and remember it, btw, but I just looked to confirm the details.

Sanders supporters stood in line for hours to get in, same as at other Sanders events. They're a lot like committed Trump supporters in that some came to multiple events to cheer their leader. Which we see on that video. Sanders talked, his people in the audience cheered.

As for Fox, yes, Baier was unable to control his sometimes rowdy audience, Sanders did, but why did Murdoch's Trump channel put on a town hall for a Democratic candidate (and only this one) in the first place?

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. How does that 21 seconds demonstrate "he knows how to speak to that audience and get them....
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:54 PM
Apr 2021

....on his side"? Who were the people in the audience, and where did that take place?

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
10. Democrats should have done this a long time ago
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 03:56 PM
Apr 2021

Squeeze Manchin where it hurts, and dare him to switch parties.

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
13. They don't have any leverage over Manchin.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:00 PM
Apr 2021

So how are they going to squeeze him? They certainly aren't going to follow Sanders lead.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
14. Yes they do
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:04 PM
Apr 2021

The infrastructure bill, Manchin is all in on it. If he acts funny, cut funding to West Virginnie.

There's also his wife's appointment to the Appalachian board and Manchin's chairmanship of the Energy Committee. Also bargaining chips if he so wants it.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
26. I don't think Manchin is toweringly stupid enough
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:32 PM
Apr 2021

to risk a Democratic majority that would give his state pork so that he can put his name on all the infrastructure projects.

WarGamer

(12,369 posts)
25. Brilliant.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:31 PM
Apr 2021

An hour and a half after cutting funding to WV, Manchin either a)retires or b)changes Party

Say HI to Leader Mitch.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
27. Then Manchin is finished and out in 2024
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:33 PM
Apr 2021

We've already discussed why this is the case, do not rehash it.

Demsrule86

(68,474 posts)
34. Who gives two fucks about 2024? God willing, we will have a larger majority by then. I think
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:07 PM
Apr 2021

he gets reelected myself but we need to deal with the now...now 2024. We need Manchin or McConnell takes over. Sanders would be the worst Senator to send to WVA...Sherrod Brown maybe but not Sanders.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
35. Democrats who want to win in 2024
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 05:10 PM
Apr 2021

give two fucks about 2024.

Manchin will lose in 2024 if he goes goop. And Bernie is just as capable of making the case to the people of W. Virginia as any other Democrat.

Demsrule86

(68,474 posts)
43. You say Manchin will lose and you are wrong. He may not run but should he run again he will win.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:04 PM
Apr 2021

We have three years until 2024...you let McConnell take over by pushing Manchin around and none of our people wins because nothing gets done.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
63. Manchin has too big of an ego to quit
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:53 PM
Apr 2021

If there's a pathway for him to staying in power, he'll take it. And the only pathway is to cooperate with Dems.

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
16. He said the same thing about Mitch McConnell, that if he were president and Mitch
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:16 PM
Apr 2021

was still majority leader, the first thing he'd do: "I would be in the state of Kentucky holding a rally." Then he go to other states to hold rallies so the people would force their representatives to do their jobs. It's the revolution thing. "We need to rally the American people by the millions. That's what I mean by a political revolution."

JI7

(89,241 posts)
15. He can't even get his own state to support things. Republican was reelected
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:10 PM
Apr 2021

by a huge majority for governor.

Demsrule86

(68,474 posts)
44. Right there is a GOP governor in Vermont.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:05 PM
Apr 2021

And he should not be labor secretary. I think Biden's pick was perfect.

WarGamer

(12,369 posts)
21. Not sure it's the right strategy
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 04:28 PM
Apr 2021

What we DO NOT want is for Trump to take up temporary residence in WV and rally the 70% of WV'ers who voted for HIM to pressure Manchin to #resist

People just don't seem to understand.

Manchin is the thread... the slim and delicate THREAD holding the Democratic majority together.

Too much pressure and Mitch is the Majority Leader within 24 hours.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
66. That gif in your sigline has me very upset. I now need counseling.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 05:17 AM
Apr 2021

Won’t someone think of the Ballerinas?

Autumn

(44,985 posts)
82. He might have been George. He might have been a Senate leader. He might have been VP.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:33 AM
Apr 2021

Rhetorical question I'm sure.

Autumn

(44,985 posts)
87. Yes it was, George.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:11 AM
Apr 2021
Any Democrat knows LBJ was president.

George II (61,461 posts)

72. Wasn't LBJ President of the United States?



If the shoe fits.
rhetorical question
[ ri-tawr-i-kuhl kwes-chuhn, -tor- ]noun Rhetoric.
a question asked solely to produce an effect or to make an assertion of affirmation or denial and not to elicit a reply, as “Has there ever been a more perfect day for a picnic?” or “Are you out of your mind?”


Autumn

(44,985 posts)
89. A question asked not to elicit a reply. I gave you two perfect examples George.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:30 AM
Apr 2021

I damn well know that you know who and what LBJ was. Maybe another cup of coffee?

jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
64. I think there's some overlap...
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 10:57 PM
Apr 2021

Between the white working class base that Bernie draws and the blue collar electorate that supports Manchin in WVa. There's light years between these two guys in terms of policy, not so much in terms of the voters they attract. I don't see anything wrong with Bernie trying to put some blue collar pressure on Joe Manchin.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
90. How, exactly? Your response proves grandstanding pleases some.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:44 PM
Apr 2021

But beyond playing to his section of the bleachers, what on earth are you guys imagining he could do?

Nothing. Senators are independent. Unlike in the house even the leadership has little pressure to bring on senators who aren't anxious for better committee assignments. And Sanders is just another senator, and not even a Democrat at that. They both have one vote.

If you're imagining Sanders' obnoxious behavior could offend Manchin enough to push him into joining the Republicans, that's highly unlikely. Very notably, Manchin chose to be Democrat in a red state, which is not exactly the best way to get elected and stay in office. Even if he's much more conservative economically than we like, he identifies Democrat.

Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
70. Manchin is like our Susan Collins
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:18 AM
Apr 2021

I'm sure Righties are going bonkers about Manchin posturing and acting concerned, but in the end going with his party.

And that's what this is too, Manchin will vote for it and so will every other Dem, they might weaken a few things in it, but it will get done.

If we get infrastructure, there's 1 more bill that can pass this year, I would hope that student loan debt is in it.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
81. There is probably nothing to stop Sanders from doing that
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:31 AM
Apr 2021

On the other hand, there nothing to stop Manchin and West Virginia from telling Bernie where to stick it, either.

I'd give the public relations grandstanding a rest, and try some late-night jawboning where the public isn't watching or listening, and the press isn't recording every word to spin they way they want to.

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