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catbyte

(34,458 posts)
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:02 PM Apr 2021

Chuck Schumer scores major win that will allow Democrats to bypass GOP obstruction

Bob Brigham
April 05, 2021

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) on Monday announced the Senate Parliamentarian had issued a ruling that will allow Democrats to sidestep the filibuster again in 2020.

Democrats passed the American Rescue Plan without any GOP support by using a process known as reconciliation. Under the process, the filibuster is not applicable.

However, there are significant limits as to what can be included in the bill, as was on display earlier this year when the Senate Parliamentarian ruled that a proposal to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour could occur under reconciliation.

Schumer had asked the Parliamentarian to rule whether it was applicable to "amend" a budget via additional reconciliation legislation. The Parliamentarian ruled that could occur, opening the door for Democrats to pass Biden's American Jobs Plan, his infrastructure bill, without the GOP able to block it via the filibuster.




Infrastructure news: Chuck Schumer’s office says the parliamentarian agrees with his interpretation of the Senate budget process, which could enable Democrats to bypass a filibuster and use reconciliation once more in fiscal year 2021 (and several more times next year).

https://www.rawstory.com/chuck-schumer-reconciliation/

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Chuck Schumer scores major win that will allow Democrats to bypass GOP obstruction (Original Post) catbyte Apr 2021 OP
Cannot wait to see Madam Vice President on her regular stroll into the Capitol to cast #51 NightWatcher Apr 2021 #1
And in fishnets...... Hotler Apr 2021 #29
Yes!!! Woohoo! bamagal62 Apr 2021 #2
Wow.. Awesome! guess Cha Apr 2021 #3
Oh, oh!!!! Ask me, ask me!!!!!!! MyOwnPeace Apr 2021 #5
You win! & you can't make Cha Apr 2021 #13
wonderful! jmbar2 Apr 2021 #23
Gotta' be a Dem! MyOwnPeace Apr 2021 #33
There you go, Republicans gratuitous Apr 2021 #4
Wait. What? sheshe2 Apr 2021 #6
Be nice if it could pass without reconciliation then use recon for protecting voting rights. SayItLoud Apr 2021 #7
we get two bills from this ruling mucifer Apr 2021 #8
there is no way we can pass that using reconciliation dsc Apr 2021 #18
Sadly, true. Will require busting the Filibuster. And duct-taping Manchin. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #42
Listen closely please. Reconciliation is shorthand for BUDGET reconciliation. hedda_foil Apr 2021 #35
Year TimeToGo Apr 2021 #9
Yeah I don't understand either. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #15
I believe we're working on fy 2020 because there was no budget passed WheelWalker Apr 2021 #19
Hmmm ok it must be something like that. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #22
Ok thanks but TimeToGo Apr 2021 #34
If Manchin and Sinema don't block it. tblue37 Apr 2021 #10
Someone needs to stroll over by Sinemas office Captain Zero Apr 2021 #12
They chose to be Democrats in spite of living in red states. Manchin Hortensis Apr 2021 #16
"If Manchin and Sinema don't block it." LenaBaby61 Apr 2021 #20
If they block anything, it will be on a floor vote for amendments Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #26
Please see post 35. hedda_foil Apr 2021 #36
Not sure of your point- the ruling allows for amending the budget resolutions w/reconciliation Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #43
Sorry, I responded to your post by accident. You're absolutely right about Manchin. hedda_foil Apr 2021 #45
It's too bad Manchin opposes it budkin Apr 2021 #11
I was going to say... now to find a way to sidestep MANCHIN... UTUSN Apr 2021 #14
Let's see what he does once each amendment comes up to a floor vote. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #27
Really wish this effort was put more into a new VRA instead. ColinC Apr 2021 #17
Please see post 35. hedda_foil Apr 2021 #37
moscow mitch is going to need a catheter & depend's ! monkeyman1 Apr 2021 #21
FANTASTIC!!! ailsagirl Apr 2021 #24
That's a wonderful, massive FU to Prime Minister Manchin! Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #25
So they can pass infrastructure legislation by amending the 2021 budget, so does that mean... Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #28
Part of me feels kinda bad for the Rs. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #30
Rachel covering this now NJCher Apr 2021 #31
Would DC Statehood have budget impact? Generic Brad Apr 2021 #32
No. hedda_foil Apr 2021 #38
Not likely AZProgressive Apr 2021 #39
Suck it Mitch Blue Owl Apr 2021 #40
Thrilled to be Rec #100 lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #41
I just don't understand how SCantiGOP Apr 2021 #44
Yes!!! Martin68 Apr 2021 #46
I wish I were as optimistic about this as many are. The "Dem" holdouts - Texin Apr 2021 #47

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
1. Cannot wait to see Madam Vice President on her regular stroll into the Capitol to cast #51
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:08 PM
Apr 2021



We're about to get some serious shit done.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. There you go, Republicans
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:18 PM
Apr 2021

You can sit there, arms folded and scowling, and all manner of wildly popular legislation will pass without so much as a "by your leave." Or you can get involved in the process and try to score some points for the folks back home in the final bill.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
6. Wait. What?
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:27 PM
Apr 2021

I read hear that Schumer and the Democrats are spinless and the Parliamentarian sucks.

Go Senator Schumer!! Dems are rocking it.

Thank you, catbyte!

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
7. Be nice if it could pass without reconciliation then use recon for protecting voting rights.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:32 PM
Apr 2021

I'm worried already about 2022 and dozens of local and state elections.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
18. there is no way we can pass that using reconciliation
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:08 PM
Apr 2021

doesn't matter how many other such bills we pass. The problem is that the voting bill is divorced from the budget process.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
35. Listen closely please. Reconciliation is shorthand for BUDGET reconciliation.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:35 AM
Apr 2021

In other words, it only applies to spending and taxing ... things that affect the budget.

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
9. Year
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:35 PM
Apr 2021

“Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) on Monday announced the Senate Parliamentarian had issued a ruling that will allow Democrats to sidestep the filibuster again in 2020.”

2020?

WheelWalker

(8,956 posts)
19. I believe we're working on fy 2020 because there was no budget passed
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:09 PM
Apr 2021

in 2020. I could be wrong. Then we move to current year for which no budget was passed, as well. I'm thinking.

Captain Zero

(6,826 posts)
12. Someone needs to stroll over by Sinemas office
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:45 PM
Apr 2021
and say high speed rail between Phoenix and LA sure would be nice.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. They chose to be Democrats in spite of living in red states. Manchin
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:57 PM
Apr 2021

is the ONLY Democrat elected to DC; all others are Republican.

In any case, this is a huge bill with many parts. Our Democratic senators are not about to block "it." The insidious focus on these two senators hides the reality, though, that out of 50 Democratic senators some may not support all provisions in their introduced form, BUT they will pass most of the bill as they did the Rescue Plan.

Btw, remember, that 8 (eight!), not 1 or 2, Democratic senators voted against increasing the minimum wage all the way to $15 as part of the Rescue package, though they would have supported a lesser increase and will support one in future.

Big no to leaving Republican senators alone to demonize Democratic senators representing mostly red states. This is not innocent.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,659 posts)
26. If they block anything, it will be on a floor vote for amendments
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:45 PM
Apr 2021

In broad daylight, not hiding behind senate procedure.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,659 posts)
43. Not sure of your point- the ruling allows for amending the budget resolutions w/reconciliation
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:48 AM
Apr 2021

That’s where the “extra” reconciliation opportunities come from, using reconciliation to amend the 2 remaining budget resolutions for FY 21 and 22.

Manchin has said he opposes using reconciliation for infrastructure, however, if Schumer tries to pass infrastructure legislation by including it as amendments to an already-passed-via-reconciliation budget resolution, Manchin can’t block it by a procedural vote on reconciliation itself, he must go on record opposing the amendments via a floor vote.

That was MY point.

UTUSN

(70,744 posts)
14. I was going to say... now to find a way to sidestep MANCHIN...
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 07:49 PM
Apr 2021

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,659 posts)
25. That's a wonderful, massive FU to Prime Minister Manchin!
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:44 PM
Apr 2021

Manchin can’t obstruct using reconciliation to pass the infrastructure bill, and now he has to take a stand on each and every floor vote for infrastructure amendments to include in the old bill.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,659 posts)
28. So they can pass infrastructure legislation by amending the 2021 budget, so does that mean...
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 08:53 PM
Apr 2021

If they amend the 2021 budget, then, in addition to passing each amendment, they have to vote to pass the whole Budget package again?

It’s a bit of brinkmanship, but if so, I’d like to see Manchin and Sinema try and vote that down...

BobTheSubgenius

(11,571 posts)
30. Part of me feels kinda bad for the Rs.
Mon Apr 5, 2021, 09:15 PM
Apr 2021

This Parliamentarian ruling, or opinion, effectively empties their toolkit. When stamping their little feet and holding their breath until their face turns blue (I know....that's never happened, but I'm hoping they stick with it) is taken away from them, what are they to do?

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
39. Not likely
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:42 AM
Apr 2021

I don't know all the rules but I do know why the $15 minimum wage was removed.

Slate

MacDonough’s decision was short and to the point, according to a Senate source. In her view, the budgetary impact of a minimum wage increase was “merely incidental” to its nonbudgetary impact. That would make it a violation of the Byrd Rule, the statute with guardrails on what is and isn’t allowed under reconciliation.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/senate-parliamentarian-blocks-15-minimum-wage.html

Basically it has to be a budget bill, it cannot be "incidental" to raising or lowering the federal budget and can only be done once a year though I think Democrats do get two reconciliations in one year to make up for a year the reconcilliation wasn't used.

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
44. I just don't understand how
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:56 PM
Apr 2021

A fairly obscure bureaucrat seems to have more power than the Congress, President or Supreme Court.
We really need some structural changes, starting with the idiotic filibuster, to
makemout government workable.

Texin

(2,599 posts)
47. I wish I were as optimistic about this as many are. The "Dem" holdouts -
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 05:34 PM
Apr 2021

you know, the usual suspects - Manchin and Sinema are in the way. And Sinema basically (in an interview with the WSJ) said, "...yeah, the Senate's broken. But let's not fix it."

I can sort of get it about Manchin. But Sinema. I can't figure her out. She probably should have just run as a rethug and be done with it. She's certainly not fooling me any longer.

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