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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan you guys tell me what exactly "woke" means?
I'm seeing it more and more spouted by republicans.
Is this their new catchphrase of the year???
StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)And it meant you were waking up to the social injustices in the world.
Shermann
(7,411 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)Just as they did with "liberal".
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Aristus
(66,316 posts)It was 'SJW' before that.
And 'Political Correctness' before that.
It's just a recognition that there are people on Earth who aren't white, Christian, heterosexual, and cisgender, and that they matter as much anyone who is.
Republicans hate that...
CatWoman
(79,295 posts)Nittersing
(6,359 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)I've had a buncha wingnuts call me that in years past. It was like their favorite insult.
You must avoid those kinds of people. Smart
FakeNoose
(32,628 posts)Actually I had no clue what it meant.
PatSeg
(47,397 posts)Now I can see that.
I didn't know what it meant either and I'm tired of looking up acronyms.
Wounded Bear
(58,645 posts)Caliman73
(11,730 posts)It's just a recognition that there are people on Earth who aren't white, Christian, heterosexual, and cisgender, and that they matter as much anyone who is.
Republicans hate that...
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Iggo
(47,549 posts)As in you just woke up.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)fascist to be a fool while thinking they're cool.
Caliman73
(11,730 posts)"Woke" had meaning within Black activists and popular culture. Conservatives have had success at turning phrases with some social power into "dirty words".
Remember what they did to "liberal" in the 1990's. You had Democrats running away from the word because it was toxic. They did the same to "politically correct".
Conservatives retain an outsized power to their numbers in society because they play on the fears of moderates who they can convince that Black and Brown people, gay people, and other undesirables are coming for them and will rob them of all freedoms.
betsuni
(25,458 posts)etc., are right-wing creations because none of them are. Not saying you are, CatWoman, but I see it a lot. Republicans give those words a different meaning from the original, as usual.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)The word comes from Gamergate and from the alt-right of Gamergate.
Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term used for an individual who promotes socially progressive and liberal views, including feminism, civil rights, gay and transgender rights, and multiculturalism.[1][2][3][4] The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.[3][5]
The phrase originated in the late 20th century as a neutral or positive term for people engaged in social justice activism.[1] In 2011, when the term first appeared on Twitter, it changed from a primarily positive term to an overwhelmingly negative one.[1] During the Gamergate controversy these negative connotations had increased usage which overshadowed its origins.[1][2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior
betsuni
(25,458 posts)Michel Chartrand, not used as an insult until 2008.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)The Gamergate controversy concerned an online harassment campaign, primarily conducted through the use of the hashtag #GamerGate, that centered on issues of sexism and anti-progressivism in video game culture. Gamergate is used as a blanket term for the controversy as well as for the harassment campaign and actions of those participating in it.
Beginning in August 2014, a harassment campaign targeted several women in the video game industry; notably game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, as well as feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian. After Eron Gjoni, Quinn's former boyfriend, wrote a disparaging blog post about Quinn, #GamerGate hashtag users falsely accused Quinn of an unethical relationship with journalist Nathan Grayson. Harassment campaigns against Quinn and others included doxing, threats of rape, and death threats.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy
Those that defended the feminist video game developers were called 'SJWs'. The reason why I am familiar with this is because I play video games. Milo and Candace Owens built their careers taking the alt-right's side in Gamergate. I didn't agree with them I want better characters & more intelligent video games.
TwilightZone
(25,462 posts)"The phrase originated in the late 20th century" which clearly indicates that it didn't come from Gamergate. Gamergate just made it a negative.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)Same thing with the word "cuck".
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Oddly, I learn a lot of right wing crap here since some people insist upon posting that stuff.
PatSeg
(47,397 posts)positive and pervert it to mean something negative. Personally, I am tired of catch phrases and "woke" just sounds too superficial and cliché to me.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)The word first blossomed in pop culture in an Erykah Badu track back in 2008. On Master Teacher, she breathily whispers about how shes trying to find her way to a beautiful world (and herself). As the afro-crowned crooner goes on to dream about this world, she poses and answers a question: What if it were no niggas / Only master teachers? / I stay woke.
Throughout the rest of the song, Badu uses this refrain, I stay woke, imbuing it with a mystical yet practical meaning. Its a way to speak to the dual social consciousness of Black Americans. We can never be just one thing. Even when we chase the American Dream, we must stay woke.
(Snip)
Then, Ferguson happened. After Michael Browns murder, the BLM movement leapt into the national consciousness. With it came wokeness, a culture unto itself. Woke soon started to serve as a shorthand among people calling for the world to wake up to the systemic racism that was causing Black men and women to become hashtags at an alarming rate. Next, as often happens, white people seized on woke as a handy catchall. As such, woke morphed into an online signifier, but one generally used by young, well-meaning white people who were urging others to become aware of the racist agendas operating against Black life. Woke became a semi-hip racist critique.
Quickly, though, woke also became the opposite. It became a polite slur, a dog whistle used to mock anyone who dares to suggest that American history and culture is racist, and argues that life in America should radically change based on that understanding. This new cultural meaning for woke helps to explain why, when Senator Josh Hawley recently lost a big book deal, he didnt pause to reflect on the fact that hed incited a riot in the nations capitol that claimed five lives; instead, he blamed woke culture.
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/woke-with-a-hard-r-how-the-right-created-a-new-dogwhistle
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)speak easy
(9,234 posts)Human Rights/
Women's Rights/
LBGTQ Rights
Zero tolerance for Racism
Environmental Protection
and especially
Racial justice !
jmowreader
(50,553 posts)PatSeg
(47,397 posts)but I am afraid you are right.
Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)Wokeness is when social justice is taken too far, to the point it gets absolutely ridiculous. And in many places, it becomes toxic.
I'll give an example that's currently creating a lot of turmoil and rifts in the LGBT community.
There is, on Twitter, a cohort of the Trans community that has been going after people for not accepting them as women when it comes to romantic options. It began being called "genital preference". So, for example. If you're a lesbian, and you only want to pursue a cis woman as a romantic option, you're saying you only want to date women who were born with female reproductive organs.
Seems reasonable, yes? I'm a gay man. The men's tackle is kind of part of the bargain in that one. We've spent decades telling people our sexual orientation is not chosen and is immutable. I'm sexually attracted to male genitals. It's just how my orientation works.
Well.
There is now a bunch of MtF trans activists roaming around Twitter and other social media calling gay people - particularly lesbians - transphobic because they only want to date cis women. Imagine, a lesbian doesn't want to date someone with a penis.
(And let me just note here, when was it ok to reintroduce the word "preferences" when it comes to same-sex orientation? Didn't we just spend twenty to thirty years correcting people on that one?)
Anyway. It has become a total shitshow. Now gays and lesbians are being harassed for their orientation by the more radical segments of the trans community.
I abjectly refuse to have my orientation and attraction to the physical features of males referred to as a genital preference or transphobia. No rational human alive should be engaging in that kind of illogical nonsense.
And yet here we are.
Racial politics is full of this stuff as well. I've noted it in other posts on the topic, but Asians were being called "white adjacent" all over the place for the past few years. As if what they suffered just didn't count as much. That got real, real quiet with the rise in awareness of anti-Asian discrimination and violence. But it is undeniable that the wokesters really didn't care or like Asians so much. They actively promoted that thinking.
I'm against that kind of toxicity. A place like DU isn't really a place to discuss it because people generally don't like it when their own side is called out. But it exists, and I resist it.
There's a saying. "Don't become too open-minded or your brains will fall out." Brains have spent the last ten or so years falling out. Nah, thanks. I'm good over here treating people with decency, respecting choices, fighting institutionalized sexism, racism, and homophobia, and generally leaving people alone to pursue their lives as they wish.
Croney
(4,657 posts)cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)They also have a lot in common with the more radical portion of the HAES crowd. All three groups are basically founded on the idea if you won't have sex with me you are racist, phobic excetra... (Though in all fairness only the Incels are shooting up the place over it)
Yes, some of the woke often hate Asians, Jews, Hispanics from Chile and Argentina, North Africans, and other people they consider too white. (Rachel Dolezal famously attacked white Hispanics who tried to talk in her classes.). It is often absurd to the point of parody.
Meanwhile, real people with real lives really don't care. Like you said better than I could they are "treating people with decency, respecting choices, fighting institutionalized sexism, racism, and homophobia, and generally leaving people alone to pursue their lives as they wish."
Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)I admit, I do not spend a great deal of time on Twitter following trends. I just have a feed of people I find interesting. I tend to not to read outside of it. I had known about the trans/lesbian issue for a few years. My lesbian friends had complained that they were getting harassed on dating apps about it. I've never experienced that as a male. I can count on one hand the number of times someone FtM hit me up on apps, and I never had an issue with them. It was only after #superstraight hit Reddit (which I do read a lot of) did I really get an eyeful of just how horrible it all had gotten. I mean, the trans people in my life do not act this way at all. I was like, "What, exactly, in the hell is going on?!"
To your other point, yeah. I've mentioned before, my social/family life is overwhelmingly Asian. I've watched how they've been treated by the "woke" among us for many years. It's a big reason I never really fell in with that segment of the social justice crowd. It's literaly drenched in racism. And the anti-white stuff has gone far too far. It's one thing to combat institutionalized white racism. That's a worthy endeavor we should all participate it.
It's another thing to blanket hate white people, talk all kinds of racist trash about them, and face zero consequences as a result. That's where I fall out. There was this hilariously over the top anti-white racist diatribe here on DU a few weeks ago. It stayed up. While many spoke against it, many others were falling all over themselves to give it a thumbs up. I said nothing. It was too over the top ridiculous to take seriously.
So, yeah, I'm not part of the woke cohort. They're authoritarians, too. They want the world ordered to their dictates and no one else's. And since I'm anti-authoritarian, I don't play ball.
Scrivener7
(50,946 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... shit the right say it is.
Anecdotes of out of balance privilege doesn't change the meaning of the word mostly black folk came up with has changed
Politicub
(12,165 posts)sharing that your genital preferences (I think?).
And your blanket condemnations don't help your case. You said, "But it is undeniable that the wokesters really didn't care or like Asians so much."
How utterly absurd.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I guess Id be called transphobic now. What a world.
Celerity
(43,299 posts)to do that to you, they are an abuser and they can go fuck themselves, as I sure as hell will not (besides the fact I am married and monogamous). I consider myself extraordinarily lucky to be the age I am (24) and therefore reaping the benefits of the queer, gender, and racial struggles for equality and dignity (I am a cis-gendered lesbian of colour) by those who went before me. They opened the doors of acceptance (I detest the concept of 'tolerance', as that is NOT acceptance at all) to a far greater degree than they were even 20 years ago. I will never allow that course to be reversed and submit to some niche power play move to try and disempower me, false frame me, or to try and force anyone else's orientation onto me at such a profoundly personal level. I am what I am, I love what I am, love whom I want, and I refuse to sink.
struggle4progress
(118,275 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Celerity
(43,299 posts)By William Melvin Kelley
May 20, 1962
https://www.nytimes.com/1962/05/20/archives/if-youre-woke-you-dig-it-no-mickey-mouse-can-be-expected-to-follow.html
https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1962/05/20/140720532.pdf
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Political correctness ... which seemed to mean a person was aware that racism and sexism exist... the horror! 😱
Wounded Bear
(58,645 posts)Which means it doesn't really mean much of anything other than being an implied slur of some kind based on possession of the RW secret decoder ring.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,699 posts)It is an awareness that helps minorities tell their stories and share their experiences. It legitimizes our pov. We have arrived and are ready to be taken seriously.
Republicans are simply freaking out, because they know what this means to them. Substitute the word "woke" for "uppity" and you'll understand their dog whistling.
DFW
(54,341 posts)What used to be the visible disturbance in the surface of the water after a boat has traveled through it, but after so much time, that the surface of the water has regained its original undisturbed appearance.
Then, again, I may not have gotten that exactly right..............
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)that the Rights favorite conspiracy theory, QAnon, is built entirely around something called The Great Awakening? Meanwhile, they hold woke, something that came out of the Black community, up for constant ridicule. Its racism, Lebowski, plain and simple.
I truly hope were savvy enough to not let them set the terms of engagement this time; they need to be called out. They no longer and can never have the moral high ground. Theyre disgusting, and what theyre trying to do to undermine BIPOC advancement is disgusting, period.
SunImp
(2,224 posts)Social Justice Warrior
Liberal
and Bleeding Heart.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)If you truly recognize that, you are bound to be "woke."
Silent3
(15,200 posts)Part of that is, of course, conservatives spitting the word out with venom in their voice, trying to rebrand a good liberal idea as a bad one.
But another factor in the word taking on a negative connotation is people on the left taking it to obnoxious and/or hypocritical extremes.
At its best, for me at least, "woke" means simply being more aware of whatever privileges you're fortunate to have, and being more understanding and supportive of those who don't enjoy those privileges.
jalan48
(13,859 posts)never change. It's a viewpoint that's very appealing and foolhardy.