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babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:06 AM Apr 2021

His Patient Refused the Vaccine. She Died of COVID in the ICU.


His Patient Refused the Vaccine. She Died of COVID in the ICU.
‘JESUS CHRIST, THIS IS AWFUL’
“Some of these x-rays, with an untrained eye you wouldn’t know there’s a lung that exists in there.”
Michael Daly, Special Correspondent
Updated Apr. 05, 2021 9:42PM ET / Published Apr. 05, 2021 9:06PM ET

snip//

None of the patients had been vaccinated. They either had not yet been able to get a shot or they had declined the opportunity. One clerical worker in her 50s had been given the chance but refused and ended up in the ICU with COVID-19.

The woman’s chest x-ray looked like a white sheet of paper, something increasingly common among recent patients.

“The worst chest x-rays I’ve ever seen in my life,” Haacke said. “Some of these x-rays, with an untrained eye you wouldn’t know there’s a lung that exists in there.”

snip//

On Monday afternoon, the woman took a turn from bad to worse. Haacke and his team spent two hours doing everything they could. Her husband and daughter arrived and were able to say their goodbyes. Then it was over for the woman as it was over for 270 Americans the day before, as it has been over for more than 550,000 of us since the pandemic began.

“The daughter was carried out, physically lifted and carried out because she was so hysterical,” Haacke reported. “Jesus Christ, this is awful.”


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His Patient Refused the Vaccine. She Died of COVID in the ICU. (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2021 OP
KnR for awareness............. secondwind Apr 2021 #1
Be sure to ask them if their life insurance is paid up FakeNoose Apr 2021 #4
Since the daughters have not been vaccinated, ask if they have insurance on their kids csziggy Apr 2021 #57
You shouldn't have pity, they are a death cult, and they would love to kill all they consider the Celerity Apr 2021 #6
Yeah, but at least that woman got to... SergeStorms Apr 2021 #15
Sad bdamomma Apr 2021 #21
When you say Rebl2 Apr 2021 #44
I'm With You COL Mustard Apr 2021 #49
I sympathize with you snowybirdie Apr 2021 #58
So, she had a very clear choice, and she took it. Her body, her choice. Crunchy Frog Apr 2021 #2
Yup, she did a good job "owning the libs" nattyice Apr 2021 #5
yup..i sure as hell feel 'owned'.. samnsara Apr 2021 #8
You do realize not all who refuse the vax are republicans, right? Treefrog Apr 2021 #9
Are you a Republican? Wednesdays Apr 2021 #72
Sadly, yeah, I have a sibling who's anti-vax and they're so far left that Neema Apr 2021 #73
Yup... druidity33 Apr 2021 #79
owning the libs equates to dying for QMAGA Celerity Apr 2021 #14
Wow Laha Apr 2021 #16
the former idiot bdamomma Apr 2021 #24
Trump will die sooner or later RVN VET71 Apr 2021 #27
+1 dalton99a Apr 2021 #20
Should say, "Jesus died for you, Trump lives for your money" lol judesedit Apr 2021 #40
+10000000000000000 Celerity Apr 2021 #60
Bingo. nt crickets Apr 2021 #63
The faces of... what? Delusion? Ignorance? No soul? Karadeniz Apr 2021 #42
hate on most every level Celerity Apr 2021 #61
You've given me my homework!!! Karadeniz Apr 2021 #69
It's hard not to feel despair after seeing that parade of bigots and fools. chia Apr 2021 #47
that's quite a collection of pictures. barbtries Apr 2021 #56
Fox propaganda doesn't just "get it", they peddle it 24/7. BComplex Apr 2021 #67
for decades now. barbtries Apr 2021 #68
Wow, that is really frightening. smirkymonkey Apr 2021 #64
Distressing mahina Apr 2021 #70
My Body, My Choice NBachers Apr 2021 #25
He suspects one or more variants are responsible. Celerity Apr 2021 #3
Sometimes it's COVID, with a little natural selection assist. n/t brewens Apr 2021 #7
Comorbidities: Fox News, Trump, antivaxxers... hay rick Apr 2021 #10
Wow! That's good. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2021 #13
Yes. The general insanity of this era. If any of these people Hortensis Apr 2021 #39
Saw my urologist today. hay rick Apr 2021 #62
Oh, absolutely. I'm often hit with disbelief even now. Hortensis Apr 2021 #66
I called my Urologist's office the other day.. Permanut Apr 2021 #75
Virtue shaming non vaxxers SayitAintSo Apr 2021 #11
You're the reason that all of us who can should vaccinate. Mister Ed Apr 2021 #18
If you have a real medical reason then that is different but to say it only puts Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #22
This Meowmee Apr 2021 #37
Vaxxers can spread the disease too SayitAintSo Apr 2021 #80
Without addressing anything else you said, this is incorrect Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #26
The point intended was vaxxers can continue to spread the virus too, many misunderstand that. SayitAintSo Apr 2021 #81
That is not the current understanding. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #84
Not "for various reasons". Just because "It's against my freedom!" Aristus Apr 2021 #34
Thank you LittleGirl Apr 2021 #43
It's clear to me that the discussion here is about C Moon Apr 2021 #51
I don't see anyone virtue shaming those who CANNOT get vaccinated. But those who Neema Apr 2021 #74
I think you're confusing non-vaccination and anti-vaccination. LanternWaste Apr 2021 #76
How does "virtue shaming" differ from "shaming"? SMC22307 Apr 2021 #77
An example of Virtue shaming SayitAintSo Apr 2021 #82
Still dreaming of that far-off day when I might be able to get the vaccine. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #12
It's like whack a mole here in Maryland Baltimike Apr 2021 #19
As of saturday, my entire family will have had at least one shot... getagrip_already Apr 2021 #30
I just read that Biden said the vaccine will be available to everyone by April 19th. Mickju Apr 2021 #35
We'll see. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #36
I'm in the current tier, and I can't get in. MoonchildCA Apr 2021 #46
Come to GA; anyone over 16 can get it. Just took my mom for her 2nd yesterday. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #48
Try Costco, if you have one in your area. They just started giving them out here this week chia Apr 2021 #50
K&R! SheltieLover Apr 2021 #17
Many cultists are not aware Trump took the vaccine and didn't tell anyone dalton99a Apr 2021 #23
I'd be willing to bet.... getagrip_already Apr 2021 #33
Babalyon Sister, do you know when the daily beast paywall irisblue Apr 2021 #28
No, sorry I don't. babylonsister Apr 2021 #38
stupid can be fatal, willful stupidity even more so - hail Darwin! bringthePaine Apr 2021 #29
It would be better if these people's choices only impacted them IronLionZion Apr 2021 #31
Exactly.You just cant tell them. They see "99% survival rate" & think thats all there is. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #52
It is what it is. roamer65 Apr 2021 #32
Biden supporter won't take the vaccine either arlyellowdog Apr 2021 #41
Yes, you should see the posts on FB i've seen. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #55
She left people behind who love her. In this case, her not accepting vaccination was an act Politicub Apr 2021 #45
As you make your bed malaise Apr 2021 #53
It's easy to rationalize not getting the Covid vaccine. patphil Apr 2021 #54
I wonder what the anti-vaxxers will say now. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #59
If you're in your 50's, you have no business refusing the vaccine. Wingus Dingus Apr 2021 #65
I've come to view the anti-vaxers as a very awful way to thin the gene pool. Vinca Apr 2021 #71
sad Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #78
Preaching to the Choir, but my lungs looked like this 21 days out of the hospital JCMach1 Apr 2021 #83
She knew the risks, rolled the dice, and it came up snake eyes inwiththenew Apr 2021 #85

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
1. KnR for awareness.............
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:12 AM
Apr 2021

I apologize in advance, but I have less and less pity for these foolish people, because they are endangering US as well.

My relatives in FL are not taking the vaccine, except for one cousin and her children. When I go to FL to visit "family", she will be the only family I have, for what it's worth. My niece in Miami has two beautiful girls, 8 and 7, who have not been vaccinated AT ALL.

Am sick and tired of this crap.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
4. Be sure to ask them if their life insurance is paid up
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:25 AM
Apr 2021

Also ask them where they keep their will, and how do they want to be buried.


csziggy

(34,136 posts)
57. Since the daughters have not been vaccinated, ask if they have insurance on their kids
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:11 AM
Apr 2021

Either to bury them or to provide care for the rest of their lives if they catch any of the diseases for which there are effective and safe vaccinations.

Maybe that would give them a dose of reality.

One of the kids I grew up with had rubella. He had some kind of damage from the illness - I never knew exactly what. We were between five and six and it was never discussed with the kids in the neighborhood. All we knew was that he could never come out and play with us after that. That happened before the vaccine for rubella was developed and released in 1969. Another kid had heart and brain damage from rubella that his mother had while he was in the womb. Yet another had polio. No kid in that neighborhood grew up and became an anti-vaxxer. We all knew what could happen without that protection and that it was far worse than any possible side effects of vaccinating.

Celerity

(43,338 posts)
6. You shouldn't have pity, they are a death cult, and they would love to kill all they consider the
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:35 AM
Apr 2021

'other', the enemy.

I stand and watch from afar, looking in, and I am gobsmacked at the murderous stupidity and hate of around 80 to 100 million or so of my fellow American citizens. It grows each year, in both size and intensity.

Batshit crazy fundie religion, racism, greed, homophobia, misogyny, general laziness, a revelling in anti-science, hate driven from unhealthy bodies and minds, a love of bullying violence (mentally, physically, emotional) against the defenceless and the weak, etc etc all are combining to drive the death cult to new depths.

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
15. Yeah, but at least that woman got to...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:01 AM
Apr 2021

"own the Libs"! Maybe we should ask her surviving family if they think it was worth it. I'm willing to bet there's at least one who says, "yes".

If these people ever wake up and see the truth there'd never be another republican elected to public office again.


bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
21. Sad
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:21 AM
Apr 2021

those who do not want to get the vaccine are risking their life and lives of others. Such selfishness, or just plain denial and ignorance.

smh.

Rebl2

(13,498 posts)
44. When you say
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:20 AM
Apr 2021

vacillated at all, do you mean none of the childhood vaccines? If so, that is very sad AND dangerous for them and other young children they might be around.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
49. I'm With You
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:52 AM
Apr 2021

I have less and less pity (or sympathy) for people who have the opportunity to get vaccinated and don't take it. I feel the same for people who don't wear masks. I went to high school with the guy who is now the mayor of Orange Beach, Alabama, and he was in the news last week or week before saying that he wouldn't die with a mask on. I hope he doesn't die with a ventilator on instead. These people are either too stupid, too stubborn, too ignorant or too defiant to listen to what the public health experts are saying. I suppose if they want to improve the gene pool by leaving it, that's their choice, but it sure as hell isn't mine.

I have an appointment for my first shot this afternoon (a three hour drive from home), but you better believe I'm going to take it. (Since I made that appointment, I've gotten a backup close to home, and just got notified from work that I could get one here. When it rains it pours!)

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
2. So, she had a very clear choice, and she took it. Her body, her choice.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:16 AM
Apr 2021

Sorry about the medical workers stuck dealing with the mess.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
73. Sadly, yeah, I have a sibling who's anti-vax and they're so far left that
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:19 PM
Apr 2021

they've almost come back around to being far right.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
79. Yup...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:18 PM
Apr 2021

I've got a friend who's ex is a Waldorf teacher. He had to threaten court to get his kids vaxxed. I also work with a 'Naturopath' in his 60s, when i asked him which vax he got he said he's not going to get one... he uses Homeopathy.


RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
27. Trump will die sooner or later
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:34 AM
Apr 2021

And his kids will produce T-shirts and mugs and other memorabilia that these people will buy to place in their Trump Altars. Maybe they will be careful to un-check the “regular repeat donation” box when they place their order. Maybe not. These are not America’s best and brightest, after all.

Celerity

(43,338 posts)
61. hate on most every level
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:51 AM
Apr 2021

scientifically programmed for decades in most cases

It is classic non-linear warfare/reflexive control tactics.

Create a fog of war, destroy valid measurements and norms, zig when all else in a normal predictive system says you will ZAG.


Non-Linear Warfare and Reflexive Control - NATO Defence College

http://www.ndc.nato.int/download/downloads.php?icode=467


What is Hybrid Warfare?

https://globalsecurityreview.com/hybrid-and-non-linear-warfare-systematically-erases-the-divide-between-war-peace/


Redefining Hybrid Warfare: Russia’s Nonlinear War against the West

http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1538&context=jss


Putin’s Way of War
The ‘War’ in Russia’s ‘Hybrid Warfare’


http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/parameters/issues/Winter_2015-16/9_Monaghan.pdf


The Hidden Author of Putinism
How Vladislav Surkov invented the new Russi
a

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/hidden-author-putinism-russia-vladislav-surkov/382489/

“I am the author, or one of the authors, of the new Russian system,” Vladislav Surkov told us by way of introduction. On this spring day in 2013, he was wearing a white shirt and a leather jacket that was part Joy Division and part 1930s commissar. “My portfolio at the Kremlin and in government has included ideology, media, political parties, religion, modernization, innovation, foreign relations, and ...”—here he pauses and smiles—“modern art.” He offers to not make a speech, instead welcoming the Ph.D. students, professors, journalists, and politicians gathered in an auditorium at the London School of Economics to pose questions and have an open discussion. After the first question, he talks for almost 45 minutes, leaving hardly any time for questions after all. It’s his political system in miniature: democratic rhetoric and undemocratic intent.







barbtries

(28,789 posts)
56. that's quite a collection of pictures.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:03 AM
Apr 2021

they're gone. i'm sickened to know how many of them there are.

i saw that mentality at the Capitol on 06Jan2021. the adoration of trump and the hatred of the other. it's very discouraging. i don't get it.

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
67. Fox propaganda doesn't just "get it", they peddle it 24/7.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:16 PM
Apr 2021

Fox is the single biggest cause of this mess we're in. There have been other staunch supporters, but fox gives them a platform like no other, and constant lies, propaganda and misinformation.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
68. for decades now.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:02 PM
Apr 2021

we must find a way to distinguish between free speech and free propaganda. the latter is so dangerous.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
64. Wow, that is really frightening.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:56 PM
Apr 2021

I'm sorry, but they look just like I would imagine Trump supporters to look like. They really are a "type".

Celerity

(43,338 posts)
3. He suspects one or more variants are responsible.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:23 AM
Apr 2021
“I’m convinced there’s something going on,” he said. “We just don’t have the data to prove it right now.”



I unfortunately have to say these variants are going to probably start to run riot in the US (and you likely will brew up some wicked ones locally, given the atrocious wilful ignorance of tens of millions of QMAGAts).



Look at the deaths per million rates over here in the EU now.

The US is the only non Euro nation in the top 15 globally now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Yes. The general insanity of this era. If any of these people
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:04 AM
Apr 2021

came from outside the syndrome, they'd be shocked and wonder at what those under the influence were doing. Likely very few would suspect it could be them.

Meanness is the biggest indicator of societies going bad. WE didn't used to be quite the same people we are now either. It's catching.

hay rick

(7,608 posts)
62. Saw my urologist today.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:49 PM
Apr 2021

I had an ok checkup and, before he moved on, he asked me how things were going otherwise. I told him that I recently got my second shot and that was improving my outlook. He rolled his eyes and said he hoped enough other people would also get shots. He said he sees a significant number of vaccine skeptics in his practice. He hopes that will change- one important reason being that he wants to start a family.

We had a brief discussion about the current state of society and I said that if you had told me 30 or 40 years ago that we would arrive at this point I would have thought you were a paranoid nut.

 

SayitAintSo

(2,207 posts)
11. Virtue shaming non vaxxers
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:47 AM
Apr 2021

I can't take the vaccine because of a medical condition, I have other friends that are in the same boat. I'm alarmed at the level of virtue shaming for people that choose not to take the vaccine for various reasons. I sincerely hope that many of the shamers on DU reconsider their position understanding there is a myriad of reasons why people make this choice. The truth is, not taking the vaccine does not hurt other people around them it only puts the non vaxxer at greater risk, supposedly. Please read the fine print on the vaccines before you continue virtue shaming people for their decisions. You might learn something and having an 'aha' experience about your own biases.

I've been a member of DU since the beginning days, I rarely post, I felt compelled to do this now. I know I will be slammed and trolled for this but please rethink your bias on shaming non vaxxers.

Mister Ed

(5,930 posts)
18. You're the reason that all of us who can should vaccinate.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:13 AM
Apr 2021

So that the few of us who can't will not be exposed.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
22. If you have a real medical reason then that is different but to say it only puts
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:22 AM
Apr 2021

yourself in danger is not right. Because you are more likely to spread this disease if you do not take the vaccine because you are more likely to get it. You have to continue to mask up until there is herd immunity in this case.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
37. This
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:02 AM
Apr 2021

Unfortunately it does put others at risk. You can transmit the virus. Only people with a documented severe possible consequence due to for example previous anaphylactic vaccine reaction etc. or possible severe events due to a med condition should be refusing it. Then you need to stay isolated until numbers are much lower. The latter is being misused by many often due to ill advice of doctors or misconceptions etc.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
26. Without addressing anything else you said, this is incorrect
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:25 AM
Apr 2021
The truth is, not taking the vaccine does not hurt other people around them it only puts the non vaxxer at greater risk, supposedly


The evidence is now fairly strong that the vaccines not only minimize the personal impact of the disease, but also prevents infection. That means that unless you have no contact with anyone else, you are at risk for catching COVID and exposing others while you are asymptomatic. Because none of the vaccines are 100% effective, you are not only hurting yourself, you are hurting others who are not vaccinated (including children who do not even have the option to be vaccinated) and adults who have been vaccinated, but fall within the 5% to 25% who do not acquire immunity from the vaccine.

So if you are basing your decision not to be vaccinated on the incorrect understanding that you are hurting no one but yourself, you should rethink the risk v benefit analysis.
 

SayitAintSo

(2,207 posts)
81. The point intended was vaxxers can continue to spread the virus too, many misunderstand that.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:28 AM
Apr 2021

Again read the fine print it spells it out. Just because you're vaccinated you are not protected from getting it or spreading it. It supposedly reduces your symptoms... giving you a less severe case, supposedly protecting the vaxxer more than the non vaxxer. That's the point. It's all in the fine print if people read it.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
84. That is not the current understanding.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:59 AM
Apr 2021

Which is why I took issue with it

The growing (uncontradicted) body of evidence is that not only does it prevent severe disease and death, it ALSO prevents getting the disease and spreading it. (There are at least three studies that have reached this conclusion, and NONE that that suggest otherwise. The early studies did not document a lack of disease prevention, it simply wasn't tested for - all of the data they gathered focused on reducing the severity of the disease. Now that there is a much larger body who are vaccinated they are starting to test the ignored question - in these new studies they are expressly testing all vaccine recipients for seroconversion, regardless of whehter they are symptomatic - and all three arrived at the same conclusion: the vaccines ALSO prevent (asymptomatic) infection.)

So vaccinated people (by and large) stop being spreaders, stop contributing to the exponential growth, and stop contributing to the creation of variants.

Unvaccinated people continue to be spreaders, to contribute to the exponential growth, and to the creation of variants

So when you choose not to be vaccinated you are hurting yourself - BUT - you are also hurting other people around you.

So if your decision is based on the understanding (prior to the recent, more in-depth, testing) that you are ONLY hurting yourself, you should rethink it because all of the current research suggests that this vaccine works like all others as to prevention of disease.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
34. Not "for various reasons". Just because "It's against my freedom!"
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:52 AM
Apr 2021

As a medical provider in primary care, I know as well as anyone out there that genuine allergies exist, and so of course no one "virtue shames" those patients. They just happen to be extremely rare.

OTOH, I have anti-vaxxers in all the time spewing staggeringly stupid misinformation about immunizations. I knock their idiotic objections down one by one until all they're left with is "I just don't want to". Which is their way of saying they know I'm right, but don't have the stones to admit it.

Getting non-allergic patients to get their vaccines is not "virtue shaming". It's good medical practice.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
43. Thank you
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:19 AM
Apr 2021

I have pages and pages of allergy reports in my health file but when it’s my turn, I’m getting the vaccine. I don’t expect to die from the virus or vaccine as there are treatments quickly available. My biggest fear is becoming a long hauler covid patient.
Now, if only Switzerland would get their act together.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
51. It's clear to me that the discussion here is about
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:54 AM
Apr 2021

those who choose not to get the vaccine.
Just as discussions about non-maskers are regarding those who choose not to wear a mask, and not about those who cannot for medical reasons.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
74. I don't see anyone virtue shaming those who CANNOT get vaccinated. But those who
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:21 PM
Apr 2021

CAN get vaccinated and do not put us all at risk...including and especially those who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
76. I think you're confusing non-vaccination and anti-vaccination.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 07:36 PM
Apr 2021

Two wholly separate concepts... one predicated wholly on pre-existing conditions, the other predicated wholly on a lack of relevant education.

Please rethink your bias on self-assigned martyrdom.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
77. How does "virtue shaming" differ from "shaming"?
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:03 PM
Apr 2021

Right-wingers like to use "virtue signaling" against LeftyLeftLeftists but "virtue shaming" isn't something I've seen.

 

SayitAintSo

(2,207 posts)
82. An example of Virtue shaming
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:34 AM
Apr 2021

Might be the person that alerted on me for my post, just for expressing an alternate viewpoint. I have become increasingly disturbed at the lack of diversity in opinions that are accepted on DU. Again I've been with you since the beginning and it's changed a lot ...sometimes it's hard to distinguish the DUers from the right-wing nuts in shaming people for diverse opinions on a given topic. And a big thank you to the moderator who allowed my post to remain.

Baltimike

(4,143 posts)
19. It's like whack a mole here in Maryland
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:17 AM
Apr 2021

but I was able to schedule them. I'd be happy to help you too if you need it

getagrip_already

(14,742 posts)
30. As of saturday, my entire family will have had at least one shot...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:46 AM
Apr 2021

My wife and oldest sun are fully vaxed, my daughter, brother, and I have one, and my other son will have one on sat.

Yes, they are hard to get, but try the local pharmacies and check early morning (like 1am - 3am).

If you don't yet qualify, hang in there. Most states are opening up to anyone over 16 at some point in April (MA is 4/19).

Mickju

(1,803 posts)
35. I just read that Biden said the vaccine will be available to everyone by April 19th.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:52 AM
Apr 2021

I hope that is correct.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
46. I'm in the current tier, and I can't get in.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:26 AM
Apr 2021

I’m on a waiting list. I actually hope they delay the date until there are enough vaccines for the current tier.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
48. Come to GA; anyone over 16 can get it. Just took my mom for her 2nd yesterday.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:52 AM
Apr 2021

Its a drive thru system at the health dept
A friend from DC came down to see her dad & got one while she was here. Said she couldnt get an appt up in Dc

getagrip_already

(14,742 posts)
33. I'd be willing to bet....
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:51 AM
Apr 2021

He got blood transfusions from recovered soldiers during his stay at walter reed. It was reported at the time that the treatments were being tested and had therapeutic value. That would be a form of vax.

He absolutely got treatments not available to the public (and still not available).

He had glassy lung, which is difficult for even a healthy young person to recover from.

We won't ever know for sure unless someone massively breaks the law. Health records are largely immune from view.

irisblue

(32,969 posts)
28. Babalyon Sister, do you know when the daily beast paywall
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:35 AM
Apr 2021

Last edited Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:22 AM - Edit history (2)

on their story ends? I'd like to finish reading it.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
31. It would be better if these people's choices only impacted them
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:47 AM
Apr 2021

but the problem with a virus is that people can spread it to others who did not make that choice, could not get vaccinated for whatever reason, or could still get long term organ damage even if they survive.

Measles and other infectious diseases are a big problem in antivax communities. COVID is going to be with us for a long time with this mentality.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
52. Exactly.You just cant tell them. They see "99% survival rate" & think thats all there is.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:56 AM
Apr 2021

They dont want to hear about all the people with long term effects that may keep them out of work forever. THOSE people "survived" too

arlyellowdog

(866 posts)
41. Biden supporter won't take the vaccine either
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:08 AM
Apr 2021

The tech who gave me my mammogram (a Black woman who said she only has one kidney). A supervisor in a group home for disabled (a Black woman). My Hispanic friend who heard you die in 2 years and it makes her children sterile. All are Biden voters. We have a lot of outreach to do.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
55. Yes, you should see the posts on FB i've seen.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:02 AM
Apr 2021

We're all going to turn into the Walking Dead

And i keep asking my trumper friends, if all this is a plot to get rid of YOU then why are so many darned liberals taking the shots? Oh, THOSE shots are fake. Obama didnt get a REAL shot. Argh

malaise

(268,968 posts)
53. As you make your bed
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:57 AM
Apr 2021

So shall you DIE.

Get your vaccine
Our good friend went into the ICU last week and went home on Sunday.
We were very worried because she is overweight. Guess what - she went home on Sunday.
She had received one dose of the vaccine.

patphil

(6,172 posts)
54. It's easy to rationalize not getting the Covid vaccine.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:02 AM
Apr 2021

I wasn't keen on getting any vaccines for years due to things like thimersol, a mercury compound, that was used as a preservative, aluminum, which was used as a means to increase the immune response but could actually damage the immune system, and other non-vaccine related compounds in the vaccine.
That said, I'm not stupid. I realize that there are situations where it is the responsible thing to do both for ourselves, our families, and the people all around us.

It's not just a personal choice.
Refusing a vaccine during a pandemic is extremely selfish. It could kill, or permanently injure you, not to mention the fact that if you get Covid-19 you could give it to other family members or friends. You could be the vector that allows the disease to kill someone you know and love.
Not only did this woman cause herself immense pain and, ultimately, death, but the pain her family is experiencing will be long lasting, and the sense of loss will always be there.

People need to get this vaccine for the sake of others, if not for themselves.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
59. I wonder what the anti-vaxxers will say now.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:24 AM
Apr 2021

There is some talk among the epidemiologists that the P1 variant is vaccine-resistant, and is worse in almost every way than COVID Classic. We need help, and lots of it!

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
65. If you're in your 50's, you have no business refusing the vaccine.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:58 PM
Apr 2021

You at the very least have the pre-existing condition of being old, even if you don't think of yourself that way. No youth to protect you anymore. I'm trying to get my older brother convinced of this, he's wary of the vaccine--told him to at least get the J and J shot.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
71. I've come to view the anti-vaxers as a very awful way to thin the gene pool.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 05:19 PM
Apr 2021

Ultimately, it's their choice and I won't mourn any of them passing.

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
83. Preaching to the Choir, but my lungs looked like this 21 days out of the hospital
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:55 AM
Apr 2021


Get the vaccine, peeps

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
85. She knew the risks, rolled the dice, and it came up snake eyes
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 11:23 AM
Apr 2021

That's life. There is a quote that goes "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others".

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