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madaboutharry

(40,209 posts)
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:54 PM Apr 2021

Chauvin's attorney using the "bore the jury" defense.

If I were a juror the only thing Nelson would be accomplishing is to annoy me.

The cross-examination of the Use of Force trainer is tedious in its use of irrelevant hypotheticals.

I don’t see how he thinks this cross is helpful to his client.

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Chauvin's attorney using the "bore the jury" defense. (Original Post) madaboutharry Apr 2021 OP
billable hours...... getagrip_already Apr 2021 #1
I would add Offend magicksmom Apr 2021 #2
What else does he have? JT45242 Apr 2021 #3
They have nothing malaise Apr 2021 #4
The prosecution needs to put Chauvin's knee back on Floyd's neck. Jim__ Apr 2021 #5
If they had kept the cross shorter they could have gotten something out of this Amishman Apr 2021 #6
Nothing but hypotheticals when I've watched him The Blue Flower Apr 2021 #7

magicksmom

(47 posts)
2. I would add Offend
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:10 PM
Apr 2021

And annoy. The defense is reaching & it is clear that the Use of Force Trainer is highly annoyed with him.

JT45242

(2,267 posts)
3. What else does he have?
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:18 PM
Apr 2021

The lawyer has a client caught on tape violating procedure by taking off his body cam, kneeling on a man's neck for several minutes after he was likely dead.

His only plausible option is to try to confuse people into maybe having a 'reasonable doubt' at the top charge and get his client a few less years in prison or barring that hoping that he has one ultra MAGA-racist who will acquit a cop no matter what.

Hard to argue that I thought my life was in jeopardy with the guy handcuffed behind his back, face down on the ground. The normal cop "I was fearful for my life doesn't apply" -- plus he was hoping that maybe just maybe one of the cops or trainers would give the normal wink and nod to a fellow officer to get him off.

I don't blame the lawyer -- he should have convinced all 4 to take pleas to the middle counts. But you can't make your client take the plea deal.

Jim__

(14,075 posts)
5. The prosecution needs to put Chauvin's knee back on Floyd's neck.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:14 PM
Apr 2021

Nelson has shown 3 pictures where he claims the knee is not on the neck. In one of those pictures, he does a side by side comparison to the video from Darnella Frazier and claims that the knee only appears to be on the neck due to camera perspective bias, an officer's bodycam from the same exact time shows the knee as not on the neck. Of course, all those photos are from late in the incident, I believe all after the ambulance arrived. The prosecution needs a photo that clearly shows the knee on the neck; or at the very least, a photo from Frazier's video that gives a better perspective of the knee on the neck than the one Nelson used for the comparison. Without that, the prosecution will lose the argument about Chauvin's knee being on the neck. They still have a case that Chauvin acted recklessly and didn't give proper care to Floyd. But I would feel much better about their case if they can definitely put that knee back on the neck.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
6. If they had kept the cross shorter they could have gotten something out of this
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:25 PM
Apr 2021

The trainer did say that the technique Chauvin used is not considered a neck restraint (which is bizarre), which undermines the unapproved / inappropriate technique angle of the prosecution.

Given that this one item is buried hours after the jury likely fell asleep out of boredom, might not amount to much.

Overall not a good witness for the prosecution, for most of this it has felt like the defense's witness.

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