What Should The Penalty Be For Lying About Being Vaccinated Or Holding Counterfeit Cards?

[DanieRains]

Thoughts?

I read an OP about a DU user saying her RWNJ in laws were saying they were vaccinated to travel, and she knew they were anti-vaxxers.

[hlthe2b]

1. That is why demonizing the premise of vaccine passports is, like other CT around COVID-19, going to

"cost us all."

[Claire Oh Nette]

2. Fraud law

Public health violations, fraud, counterfeiting, forgery, trespassing if they go in somewhere they weren't entitled, reckless endangerment. NO fly list. And fines. Big, fat, non-dismissible fines. These people care about money over people. Hit 'em where it hurts.

We have laws. Apply them.

[Stallion]

3. Forging, Selling, Buying, Transferring or Using a Forged Vaccination Card is a Felony Punishable...

by 5 years in prison. Significantly, forgery of the seal of the CDC in the upper right hand corner of the vaccination card is how they can nail the perpetrator. FBI has already issued a warning on this.

[DanieRains]

10. Awesome Thanks For The Info

It will be really helpful.

[jimfields33]

4. State and local governments will have to decide

Since federal government is not doing passports, I think they will stay out of this.

[stopdiggin]

9. my 'COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card' has a CDC logo on it

and then specific lot #(s), dates given, and clinic/location. I'm not sure what would actually constitute a passport (database?) -- but what I have does appear to be approved by the feds. And this is what I will be producing when I go to the airport (or whomever is requiring) -- I think?

[brooklynite]

12. This is not a vaccination passport...

...it is documentation for you and your doctor.

[stopdiggin]

14. who then, is issuing such a "passport"? (because I'd be willing to pursue it)

And where will it be required? Are we discussing a hypothetical document? -- and if so, how can we possibly be discussing 'counterfeits?'

[brooklynite]

15. New York State has issued one; the Federal Govt is developing one.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has announced the launch of the Excelsior Pass — a free, voluntary digital app developed in partnership with IBM that will verify if an individual user is fully vaccinated against Covid-19 or has recently tested negative for the illness.

The platform is intended to fast-track the reopening of sports arenas, music venues, restaurants and other businesses with capacity limitations due to Covid-19 in accordance with New York State Department of Health guidelines.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/03/27/new-york-just-launched-a-digital-vaccine-pass-to-restart-concerts-sports-events-and-other-activities/?sh=29f99aa85b4d

[stopdiggin]

18. Thank you. Yes, I had seen reference to the NY app.

Unfortunately that doesn't apply here -- and, in any event, I would prefer to wait for a federal option. But -- good information -- and it does seem an intelligent response.

(now what do we do with all the anti-vaccers?)

[jimfields33]

16. That's true and good point

Mines in the garage somewhere. Once they start wanting to see it, I’ll take it with me. I did the picture so I have that too. Hopefully most people won’t need to be arrested as they will or did get the vaccine.

[DBoon]

5. What is the penalty for having sex and lying about being HIV positive?

[Treefrog]

6. I think people have been prosecuted about this.

I met a man at work years ago who was HIV positive, and he told me he felt no compunction to tell anyone his health status. No idea what happened to him. He seemed to feel that it would be his sex partners’ fault if they didn’t take precautions. He was so skeevy that I couldn’t imagine ANYONE having sex with him, but I guess they did. I kept a distance from him. He was pure scum.

[DBoon]

8. Then people who carry Covid, expose others, and conceal their lack of vaccination should also ...

... be prosecuted.

[Dr. Strange]

20. If they know about it, absolutely.

[jmowreader]

7. Being sentenced to be vaccinated is the first thing that comes to mind

[DanieRains]

11. Instant Vaccinations - How About Both At Once!

Or all 3 at the same time.

That'll scare 'em straight.

[jmowreader]

19. No need for that. Just one brand will do.

The Johnson & Johnson would be best because you wouldn't have to worry about getting them back for their second doses.

Oh, and make sure they know we added extra tracking chips to the shots they're getting, just to make sure.

[Hortensis]

13. Turn 'em over to Tom Cotton. He thinks we have an

under-incarceration problem, and we know we have some underused concentration facilities in TX, etc.

Seriously, occurs to me that affordable quick tests are available to check for antibodies. If it were to become enough of a problem, perhaps testing would become required in certain circumstances, like being allowed to board a cruise ship.

[SoonerPride]

17. You get forcibly vaccinated

With no opt out possible.

[Volaris]

21. You get your shot or you go to jail for 30 days.

Fuck these anti-vaxxer assholes if they wanna cheat on their test.

[Johonny]

22. Was there any penalty for jumping the vaccine queues?

Was there any penalty for not wearing a mask in most places in the US?

etc...

The pandemic rules and laws have to data had very little teeth.

Even if they wanted to enforce it, like the vaccine queues you'd likely see it only enforced on the lower class. I would quickly become another set of laws to harass minorities.

[FlyingPiggy]

23. What is the penalty for using a fake ID when traveling from state to state?