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JoeOtterbein

(7,699 posts)
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:30 PM Apr 2021

Ari Melber Says Biden Increasingly Sounds Like 'The New Bernie'

Mediaite

By Leia IdlibyApr 6th, 2021, 7:33 pm

MSNBC’s Ari Melber said on Tuesday that President Joe Biden, “at times, can sound a bit like the new Bernie [Sanders]” — addressing the president’s increasingly progressive views throughout his political career.

“Joe Biden has begun his presidency on a more liberal footing than the last two Democratic presidents, which makes this the most progressive start to any presidency in the past 40 years,” Melber said, noting that Biden is “pushing for a cumulative $4 trillion in total spending in his first 100 days.”

Comparing today’s Biden to the Biden of the 1990s, Melber played several clips from his time as a self-described “centrist” senator.

“More cops, more prisons, more physical protection for the people,” he said in one clip from November 1993, later adding, “We have predators on our streets.”

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Ari Melber Says Biden Increasingly Sounds Like 'The New Bernie' (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 OP
Biden sounds like Biden. This PR effort to make everything about Sanders JI7 Apr 2021 #1
This!!!!!nt jrthin Apr 2021 #2
Bernie is doing what all leaders do. JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #3
Who's following? comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #17
Yep. mzmolly Apr 2021 #6
Tiring but not unexpected. The big differences are comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #16
Right! Ari's little statement Cha Apr 2021 #53
No, this effort makes the new young progressives in our Party feel included and gives hope. Tommymac Apr 2021 #21
Yep! JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #28
No.. President Joe Biden is Not the "new" Cha Apr 2021 #54
I often wonder if anybody actually listens (or researches). betsuni Apr 2021 #47
I don't think it matters to them JI7 Apr 2021 #57
It's insulting and pathetic. betsuni Apr 2021 #58
Exactly! This is NOT Cha Apr 2021 #52
Amen to that! Kahuna Apr 2021 #69
Anyone paying attention expected Biden's left leanings to show. blm Apr 2021 #4
"Sanders said country needed more jails and 'tougher' penalties in certain cases in 1994 remarks" lapucelle Apr 2021 #5
I'm hoping Bernie can change Joe's mind about... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #7
Schumer, Booker, and Wyden will make the case for their bill. lapucelle Apr 2021 #11
As long as he changes his mind,... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #12
Biden sounds exactly the same as he did when he announced his candidacy on April 25, 2019 LanternWaste Apr 2021 #8
As a long-time progressive, I'm super happy with Joe's policies. JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #20
OFFS!! Biden won running as a more centrist candidate..the term socialist is not a good take PortTack Apr 2021 #9
We'll see. If Bernie changes Joe's mind on legal weed, or not. JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #10
It's a much more complex issue than many people know. lapucelle Apr 2021 #18
To anyone who was ever locked-up for smoking a joint (not me of course) it was much more of a... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #22
With more states legalizing, the better approach might be to pass Elizabeth Warren's STATES Act lapucelle Apr 2021 #24
That's right. It's just been legalized in NJ, but towns can still ban it. Kahuna Apr 2021 #70
I read Sanders is second least effective and that is certainly not Biden, thank goodness. LizBeth Apr 2021 #13
Link Please. Tommymac Apr 2021 #15
Nonpartisan Center for Effective Lawmaking lapucelle Apr 2021 #23
Let's define 'Legislative Effectiveness' Tommymac Apr 2021 #26
The data show that Sanders was not "extremely successful in advancing bills" of any type. lapucelle Apr 2021 #30
Again, that site's DEFINITION of Legislative Effectiveness is limited Tommymac Apr 2021 #31
Showing up and getting stuff done is generally a good measure of effectiveness. lapucelle Apr 2021 #34
Wow.. TY for the Receipts, lapucelle! Cha Apr 2021 #55
Their claim is not backed up by their link, they cherry picked out one Congress, in others he was Celerity Apr 2021 #32
The data showing Sanders 98th in effectiveness is from our most recent Congress - the 116th. lapucelle Apr 2021 #37
it is not what was claimed, they did not state it was for just one congress or the most recent one Celerity Apr 2021 #46
"I recently read that Sanders is the *third* least effective senator." lapucelle Apr 2021 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2021 #61
Sorry, accidentally self deleted. I never said I randomly picked a congress, and I also Celerity Apr 2021 #64
Who is the least? comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #19
Actually, I think Stabenow and Shelby are ranked 99th and 100th in effectiveness. lapucelle Apr 2021 #25
From Melber and Hays that's a compliment tirebiter Apr 2021 #14
Biden has always been ready. Sanders isn't. JI7 Apr 2021 #27
I have been pondering. I read earlier, younger voters now favor Biden as "progressive" over Sanders. LizBeth Apr 2021 #35
Markley? DFW Apr 2021 #50
Ha ha, clever you. Merkley. My bad. LizBeth Apr 2021 #66
Their names are so close, I really didn't know which one you meant DFW Apr 2021 #67
+1. LizBeth Apr 2021 #74
I hate the hijacking of the word progressive. betsuni Apr 2021 #51
Ditto. nt Kahuna Apr 2021 #71
Sad Some People Can't Let PJB Have Credit For What He Is Accomplishing Me. Apr 2021 #29
Progress is always good. Yes it took a long time but... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #33
The progress was made by mostly the progressive Democratic base, starting with Pelosi. LizBeth Apr 2021 #36
I Agree Me. Apr 2021 #62
Yes, Excellent That We Finally Have A President Who Can Deliver What People Want Me. Apr 2021 #45
It's quite refreshing isn't it? comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #49
Being Able To Breathe Again Me. Apr 2021 #63
Yes you are exactly right... comradebillyboy Apr 2021 #48
No, he's continuing the liberal Democratic FDR/LBJ tradition, except with tiny majorities betsuni Apr 2021 #38
I'd like to see FDR's vision of... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #39
Health care as a human right and not a privilege is a classic Democratic policy. betsuni Apr 2021 #40
Right. This is all Democratic base policy and a long time too. The hijacking has got to stop. LizBeth Apr 2021 #43
Well Biden has definitely gone beyond my expectations mvd Apr 2021 #41
... SidDithers Apr 2021 #42
Love your tagline! JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #44
MFA will never happen. Even Sanders recently seems to know that, he's now calling for.... George II Apr 2021 #59
hope not samnsara Apr 2021 #56
He does, Biden has seen what the future holds and he's the first president to jump into it Autumn Apr 2021 #65
Ari Melber is an idiot. This is the Biden Administration, not the Sanders-lite Administration. NurseJackie Apr 2021 #68
He is. I stopped watching him because of his several attempts to tank Biden... Kahuna Apr 2021 #72
Chris Hayes is just as bad. NurseJackie Apr 2021 #73
I know. I stopped watching Hayes long before I stopped watching Melber. nt Kahuna Apr 2021 #75
Worse. LizBeth Apr 2021 #76
And the Obama administration had a Green New Deal, too. betsuni Apr 2021 #77

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
16. Tiring but not unexpected. The big differences are
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:16 PM
Apr 2021

Joe actually gets things done

He's a bridge builder

He shares the credit for his accomplishments

Joe understands teamwork

I could go on but ...

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
21. No, this effort makes the new young progressives in our Party feel included and gives hope.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:22 PM
Apr 2021

What's wrong with that?

Bernie has done a LOT of good for progressive causes over his career, no shame in also giving Prez Joe kudos for going outside the box and moving back to the Democratic Party's Glory Days of the mid-20th Century.

Cha

(296,796 posts)
54. No.. President Joe Biden is Not the "new"
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:10 AM
Apr 2021

Anybody.. he's his own man. The credit goes to him.

Young Dems now like Biden more than Bernie

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215308848

That's a real lazy pronouncement from Ari.


betsuni

(25,374 posts)
47. I often wonder if anybody actually listens (or researches).
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 12:20 AM
Apr 2021

Biden's motto is "Never promise anything you can't deliver." That's as far away from populism as you can get.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
57. I don't think it matters to them
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 08:08 AM
Apr 2021

it's mostly about pushing a certain agenda.

If we had lost the 2 Georgia seats and Mcconnell remained Senate leader they would be repeating the same anti Democratic talking points saying Democrats are weak, status qua ,establishment and whatever other empty things that are always said instead of blaming the Republicans .

Now it's tougher to push that agenda so instead they try to make it as if someone else made Biden do this or that.

It's becoming sad,pathetic,insulting etc.

Cha

(296,796 posts)
52. Exactly! This is NOT
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 01:56 AM
Apr 2021

about Sanders.. This Biden Presidency is about Joe Robinette Biden.. his own man!!

Who Won with 81 Million V OTES.. Riddle me that, Ari?!

blm

(113,008 posts)
4. Anyone paying attention expected Biden's left leanings to show.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:42 PM
Apr 2021

People forget that IF Biden had run in 2016 cycle he planned to run as a team with Warren as VP. He had agreed with her view that more bold moves on the economy were needed and could have been done in Obama’s first term. They were opposed by others on the economic team at the time.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/15/elizabeth-warren-aides-biden-administration-475653


‘Most influential voice’: Warren’s network spreads throughout Biden administration

The growing roster of Warren protégés in the government illustrates the leftward shift underway in the Democratic Party's approach to policymaking.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
5. "Sanders said country needed more jails and 'tougher' penalties in certain cases in 1994 remarks"
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:44 PM
Apr 2021
Bernie Sanders said in 1994 that he agreed the country needed "some more jails" and that it must be "tougher in certain instances" on crime.

The then-congressman from Vermont made the comments during a news conference in which he explained his support for the now-controversial 1994 crime bill. His remarks, video of which was obtained by CNN's KFile from CCTV-Center for Media & Democracy, a Vermont public access station, sheds light on Sanders' support of the now more controversial elements of the bill, and his reservations about other aspects.

snip================================================================================

In August 1994, Sanders, while noting the bill was not perfect, offered a broader defense of the bill and said it was a bill that "should be supported" with a two-pronged approach of "increased law enforcement" and increased prevention.

"The approach that this bill takes, in general, which I believe can work well, is based on a two pronged approach to crime," Sanders said. "When I was mayor, we significantly expanded our police force and we provided stronger law enforcement, and at the same time, we developed a number of crime prevention programs. Programs designed to give young people especially ... the opportunity to do something else with their lives rather than turn to drugs and self-destruction and crime."

"This legislation is not perfect. Let's be clear about it," he added. "But at a time when the citizens of this country are crying out for the government to begin addressing the crisis of crime, there is no question in my mind that this bill, in a dozen different ways, is a major step forward in controlling and preventing crime. It is a bill that should be supported."

Sanders called the bill "a step forward" in providing "more enforcement, more police officers, more prevention program." He said that providing more policing and "stiffening penalties" against violent criminals was "equally important" to putting money toward preventing crime


https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/26/politics/sanders-1994-crime-bill-kfile/index.html

JoeOtterbein

(7,699 posts)
7. I'm hoping Bernie can change Joe's mind about...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:51 PM
Apr 2021

...Cannabis. We need to legalize it ASAP. It would be great for our nation and our party politically.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
11. Schumer, Booker, and Wyden will make the case for their bill.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:04 PM
Apr 2021
Schumer: Senate will act on marijuana legalization with or without Biden

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer really likes to talk about weed.

Schumer has been making waves on cannabis policy since he first introduced a bill to legalize marijuana in April 2018. It was part of his pitch for voting Democrat in the 2020 election, and now — with the majority in hand — he is putting together new federal marijuana reform legislation with Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).

snip================================================================================

President Joe Biden has been a conspicuous outlier among Democrats when it comes to supporting marijuana legalization. But Schumer said Biden’s reticence won’t deter the Senate from taking aggressive action to loosen federal restrictions.

“I want to make my arguments to him, as many other advocates will,” Schumer said in an interview with POLITICO this week. “But at some point we're going to move forward, period.“

snip================================================================================

Q: What role does President Biden play in this? He does not support the full legalization of cannabis. Are you worried that he could veto this bill if it passes?

A: Well, he said he'd like to see more information on the issue. I respect that. I certainly will have an ongoing conversation with him, and tell him how my views evolved. And hope that his will to.

Q: Will the Senate move forward even if the president's views do not evolve on this?

A: We will move forward. He said he's studying the issue, so obviously want to give him a little time to study it. I want to make my arguments to him, as many other advocates will. But at some point we're going to move forward, period.


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/03/schumer-senate-marijuana-legalization-478963


https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/597/related-bills
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1456
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
8. Biden sounds exactly the same as he did when he announced his candidacy on April 25, 2019
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:55 PM
Apr 2021

Seems some for-profit editorialists are attempting historical revisionism to better soothe their own flawed stories over the past eighteen months.

JoeOtterbein

(7,699 posts)
20. As a long-time progressive, I'm super happy with Joe's policies.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:21 PM
Apr 2021

Now if he changes his mind about legal Cannabis, we can ace 2022 without a hitch!

PortTack

(32,704 posts)
9. OFFS!! Biden won running as a more centrist candidate..the term socialist is not a good take
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 08:59 PM
Apr 2021

STOP!

Yes, Biden is leaning more left and winning the hearts and minds on the merits of who he is, not what a few ppl want him to be

JoeOtterbein

(7,699 posts)
10. We'll see. If Bernie changes Joe's mind on legal weed, or not.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:01 PM
Apr 2021

Will tell us one way or another for sure.

JoeOtterbein

(7,699 posts)
22. To anyone who was ever locked-up for smoking a joint (not me of course) it was much more of a...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:28 PM
Apr 2021

...complex dilemma, than simply legalizing it.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
13. I read Sanders is second least effective and that is certainly not Biden, thank goodness.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:09 PM
Apr 2021

If you want to rave about Bidens awesome progressiveness that is impressing and surprising us all, then call out to Pelosi and Warren and Harris and Buttigieg and all our other Democrats that have been not only talking and working for, but rolling up sleeves and doing.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
23. Nonpartisan Center for Effective Lawmaking
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:29 PM
Apr 2021
What is the Center for Effective Lawmaking?

The Center for Effective Lawmaking (“CEL”) is a joint partnership between the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy and Vanderbilt University. It was created in 2017 to advance the generation, communication, and use of new knowledge about the effectiveness of individual lawmakers and legislative institutions in Congress. The Center grew out of the Legislative Effectiveness Project, based on the scholarship of Craig Volden and Alan E. Wiseman, as featured in the award-winning book Legislative Effectiveness in the United States Congress: The Lawmakers.


https://thelawmakers.org/find-representatives
https://thelawmakers.org/find-representatives

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
26. Let's define 'Legislative Effectiveness'
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:39 PM
Apr 2021

using that site's own words:

https://thelawmakers.org/faq

Q. If a Representative or Senator has a low LES or ILES, does that mean that she is not an effective lawmaker?

Not necessarily. As described above, the LES is designed to measure how successful a given Representative or Senator is at moving his or her own legislative agenda items (meaning, the bills that he/she sponsors) through different stages of the legislative process, where those bills are also coded for substantive significance. A relatively low LES results from few introductions or from sponsored bills not progressing particularly far. Likewise, given that an ILES captures how successful a Representative or Senator is at moving bills in a particular issue area, it is quite plausible that a Representative is extremely successful at advancing bills in issue areas that are most important to her, while devoting little attention to bills that engage with issues that are less important to her, leading her to have a high ILES in some issue areas, but not others. Such variance in scores would reflect a Representative’s or Senator’s different issue priorities, rather than effectiveness in lawmaking, per se.

That said, other efforts that may be commonly considered “legislative effectiveness,” such as working behind the scenes to help others’ bills pass, having one’s legislative proposals incorporated into other legislators’ bills (which then advance further in the legislative process), serving as Speaker of the House or party leader, or blocking proposals of opponents, are not included in calculating the LES.

(My Bold)

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
30. The data show that Sanders was not "extremely successful in advancing bills" of any type.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:00 PM
Apr 2021

None of his bills advanced beyond being referred to committee and only one of his amendments made it to a vote. It wasn't adopted.)

One resolution did make it to Trump's desk, but it was vetoed and failed on the override.

https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22congress%22%3A%22116%22%2C%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D

https://thelawmakers.org/find-representatives

Sanders' 2020 Report Card from govtrack.us

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2020

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
31. Again, that site's DEFINITION of Legislative Effectiveness is limited
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:05 PM
Apr 2021

Their ranking is referring to how a Senator or Representative does getting their OWN bills passed.

Real Effectiveness as a politician involves so much more.

I'm done here. Have a good day.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
34. Showing up and getting stuff done is generally a good measure of effectiveness.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:25 PM
Apr 2021
Sen. Bernard “Bernie” Sanders’s 2020 Report Card

He was most absent in votes compared to All Senators
- Sanders missed 57.4% of votes (413 of 720 votes) in the 116th Congress

Sanders got his bills out of committee the least often compared to Serving 10+ Years

Wrote the fewest laws compared to Serving 10+ Years (tied with 1 other)
-Sanders introduced 0 bills that became law, including via incorporation into other measures, in the 116th Congress.

Leadership: Ranked the 2nd bottom/follower compared to Serving 10+ Years
- Leadership analysis looks at who is cosponsoring whose bills. A higher score shows a greater ability to get cosponsors on bills.

Got influential cosponsors the 5th least often compared to Serving 10+ Years (tied with 1 other)

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2020

Cha

(296,796 posts)
55. Wow.. TY for the Receipts, lapucelle!
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 02:17 AM
Apr 2021
He was most absent in votes compared to All Senators
- Sanders missed 57.4% of votes (413 of 720 votes) in the 116th Congress

Sanders got his bills out of committee the least often compared to Serving 10+ Years

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2020

Celerity

(43,081 posts)
32. Their claim is not backed up by their link, they cherry picked out one Congress, in others he was
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:06 PM
Apr 2021

higher, for instance he was the 13th most effective Dem in the 113th. And this is just counting the Democratic Caucus, many Rethugs have worse scores. There seems no clear pattern either, for all the Dems, Congress to Congress. Bernie is on the longer end multiple times, but certainly not the 2nd lowest overall.







the low end from the 113th Dems for comparative purposes






lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
37. The data showing Sanders 98th in effectiveness is from our most recent Congress - the 116th.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:47 PM
Apr 2021

Sharing the most recent data isn't "cherry picking".

The only thing that the 2013-2014 data show is that Sanders is less effective now than he was then.

Celerity

(43,081 posts)
46. it is not what was claimed, they did not state it was for just one congress or the most recent one
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:27 PM
Apr 2021

they made a statement in toto

That is highly prejudicial framing via omission, and not accurate for the sum of his career.

Senators go up and down in the ratings over time. I also stipulated that he is generally in the lower regions, which is often the case.


lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
60. "I recently read that Sanders is the *third* least effective senator."
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:07 AM
Apr 2021

There is nothing prejudicial about stating facts as they currently exist.

Countering with "Yes, but he was more effective in the past" does nothing to change that fact.

Here are Sanders' ratings "in toto" for the 26 years he has been in the Congress:

Congressional Session
As a congressman
102nd .336
103rd .219
104th .463
105th .347
106th .231
107th .343
108th .266
109th .380

As a senator
110th .199
111th .552
112th .338
113th 2.025*
114th .191
115th .195
116th .136

*The randomly selected random session cited as evidence of effectiveness by the poster who accused others of cherrypicking appears to be the outlier in Sanders' 26 year career in Congress.

Average (all sessions)
0.3668

Average (with lowest and highest session rankings removed)
0.2588

Mean
0.266

Response to lapucelle (Reply #60)

Celerity

(43,081 posts)
64. Sorry, accidentally self deleted. I never said I randomly picked a congress, and I also
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:20 AM
Apr 2021

stated Sanders was usually in the lower parts of tge rankings. He is a contrarian lefty who envelope pushes. Some love that, some obviously hate it.

Cheers

tirebiter

(2,532 posts)
14. From Melber and Hays that's a compliment
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:13 PM
Apr 2021

I’ve always accepted Joe for what he was and is. Not ready for prime time before but the right guy now

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
35. I have been pondering. I read earlier, younger voters now favor Biden as "progressive" over Sanders.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:33 PM
Apr 2021

The thing, mostly all our Democrats, 0ur base are progressive, some more so than Sanders and certainly more effective. Since 2015 in order to win the election so campaign rhetoric we have been hearing there are only some (they tell us often) as being progressive's instead of a whole Democratic base. We have many many many progressives and they are not in the "left" group. It has been a struggle we have been having for five years because the base is continually being told they are not progressive regardless of the fact they are the very ones moving the progressive accomplishments.

It has got to stop. It was a false accusation/characterization in the 2016 campaign as it is now. We had Warren and Harris and Gillabrand in the run off and they rank higher progressive than Sanders.

Sanders does not get to own what the base progressive is actually moving forward. Markley is in the top five most effective and I do not know many that can out progressive him.

DFW

(54,275 posts)
67. Their names are so close, I really didn't know which one you meant
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 11:22 AM
Apr 2021

So I played it safe...

If it's any consolation, in England, "Merkley" really WOULD be pronounced "Markley."

Me.

(35,454 posts)
29. Sad Some People Can't Let PJB Have Credit For What He Is Accomplishing
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:56 PM
Apr 2021

and have to blithely hand it off to a person who has done very little legislating in a very long senate career

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
36. The progress was made by mostly the progressive Democratic base, starting with Pelosi.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:36 PM
Apr 2021

I am happy the way the Democratic base has gone heads on with the Republicans and media with all this and yes, Sanders can be in on that along with ALL the other Democrats. Regardless, Biden has been given the opportunity to excel here because he has the majority of the voice of the nation, and our Democratic party, house and senate. Again, Sanders hasn't done a lot. I can name a whole lot of others that I would be patting on the back first, for their voice, effort and follow thru.

betsuni

(25,374 posts)
38. No, he's continuing the liberal Democratic FDR/LBJ tradition, except with tiny majorities
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:49 PM
Apr 2021

in Congress. President Obama would've done so too if possible, a miracle the ACA passed at all.

Bernie does not come from that same liberal Democratic tradition.

JoeOtterbein

(7,699 posts)
39. I'd like to see FDR's vision of...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 10:55 PM
Apr 2021

...healthcare as an American (human) right, up next. It would be allowed under reconciliation.

betsuni

(25,374 posts)
40. Health care as a human right and not a privilege is a classic Democratic policy.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:05 PM
Apr 2021

Here's Ted Kennedy in 1978 saying health care is a right and not a privilege:



The Clinton administration tried for universal health care, as did the Obama administration. Didn't have the votes for a public option. The Democratic candidate in 2016 ran on ACA with public option and Medicare at 55.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
43. Right. This is all Democratic base policy and a long time too. The hijacking has got to stop.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:09 PM
Apr 2021

Biden and all Democrats get to own this. Biden has been awesome in his own right and he was fifth on my list.

mvd

(65,157 posts)
41. Well Biden has definitely gone beyond my expectations
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:07 PM
Apr 2021

I am very happy. He’s taken the party closer to its roots economically. I wish he would forgive more student loan debt, be open to Medicare For All, and be a little more dovish on foreign policy - but I didn’t expect him to be Bernie. Bernie’s great, but Biden is at least making progress possible.

George II

(67,782 posts)
59. MFA will never happen. Even Sanders recently seems to know that, he's now calling for....
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 08:33 AM
Apr 2021

....an expansion of REAL Medicare to people 60 or 55.

I can't remember the last time he mentioned "Medicare* for All"

*INO, not true medicare

Autumn

(44,976 posts)
65. He does, Biden has seen what the future holds and he's the first president to jump into it
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:20 AM
Apr 2021

in a long time. Such a change having a president who is acknowledging the needs of the people and addressing those needs.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
72. He is. I stopped watching him because of his several attempts to tank Biden...
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 11:33 AM
Apr 2021

during and after the primaries. Remember, Ari was pushing the tara reade story even after the primary process. Skunk. I don't know why anchors don't think viewers can't tell when they're pushing an agenda. They have certain voice inflections and facial expressions that always give them away. They don't fool me.

I mean, Obama administration wanted an infrastructure plan. But of course, all credit goes to bernie.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/03/29/what-you-need-know-about-president-obamas-plan-improve-american-infrastructure

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