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By Leia IdlibyApr 6th, 2021, 7:33 pm
MSNBCs Ari Melber said on Tuesday that President Joe Biden, at times, can sound a bit like the new Bernie [Sanders] addressing the presidents increasingly progressive views throughout his political career.
Joe Biden has begun his presidency on a more liberal footing than the last two Democratic presidents, which makes this the most progressive start to any presidency in the past 40 years, Melber said, noting that Biden is pushing for a cumulative $4 trillion in total spending in his first 100 days.
Comparing todays Biden to the Biden of the 1990s, Melber played several clips from his time as a self-described centrist senator.
More cops, more prisons, more physical protection for the people, he said in one clip from November 1993, later adding, We have predators on our streets.
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more at link
JI7
(89,239 posts)is tiring.
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)Leading. Nothing wrong with that.
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)Joe actually gets things done
He's a bridge builder
He shares the credit for his accomplishments
Joe understands teamwork
I could go on but ...
Cha
(296,796 posts)couldn't be further from the truth.'
Shame on his laziness.
TY!
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)What's wrong with that?
Bernie has done a LOT of good for progressive causes over his career, no shame in also giving Prez Joe kudos for going outside the box and moving back to the Democratic Party's Glory Days of the mid-20th Century.
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)Nothing wrong with progress, no matter where it comes from.
Cha
(296,796 posts)Anybody.. he's his own man. The credit goes to him.
Young Dems now like Biden more than Bernie
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215308848
That's a real lazy pronouncement from Ari.
betsuni
(25,374 posts)Biden's motto is "Never promise anything you can't deliver." That's as far away from populism as you can get.
JI7
(89,239 posts)it's mostly about pushing a certain agenda.
If we had lost the 2 Georgia seats and Mcconnell remained Senate leader they would be repeating the same anti Democratic talking points saying Democrats are weak, status qua ,establishment and whatever other empty things that are always said instead of blaming the Republicans .
Now it's tougher to push that agenda so instead they try to make it as if someone else made Biden do this or that.
It's becoming sad,pathetic,insulting etc.
betsuni
(25,374 posts)Cha
(296,796 posts)about Sanders.. This Biden Presidency is about Joe Robinette Biden.. his own man!!
Who Won with 81 Million V OTES.. Riddle me that, Ari?!
blm
(113,008 posts)People forget that IF Biden had run in 2016 cycle he planned to run as a team with Warren as VP. He had agreed with her view that more bold moves on the economy were needed and could have been done in Obamas first term. They were opposed by others on the economic team at the time.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/15/elizabeth-warren-aides-biden-administration-475653
Most influential voice: Warrens network spreads throughout Biden administration
The growing roster of Warren protégés in the government illustrates the leftward shift underway in the Democratic Party's approach to policymaking.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)The then-congressman from Vermont made the comments during a news conference in which he explained his support for the now-controversial 1994 crime bill. His remarks, video of which was obtained by CNN's KFile from CCTV-Center for Media & Democracy, a Vermont public access station, sheds light on Sanders' support of the now more controversial elements of the bill, and his reservations about other aspects.
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"The approach that this bill takes, in general, which I believe can work well, is based on a two pronged approach to crime," Sanders said. "When I was mayor, we significantly expanded our police force and we provided stronger law enforcement, and at the same time, we developed a number of crime prevention programs. Programs designed to give young people especially ... the opportunity to do something else with their lives rather than turn to drugs and self-destruction and crime."
"This legislation is not perfect. Let's be clear about it," he added. "But at a time when the citizens of this country are crying out for the government to begin addressing the crisis of crime, there is no question in my mind that this bill, in a dozen different ways, is a major step forward in controlling and preventing crime. It is a bill that should be supported."
Sanders called the bill "a step forward" in providing "more enforcement, more police officers, more prevention program." He said that providing more policing and "stiffening penalties" against violent criminals was "equally important" to putting money toward preventing crime
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/26/politics/sanders-1994-crime-bill-kfile/index.html
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)...Cannabis. We need to legalize it ASAP. It would be great for our nation and our party politically.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer really likes to talk about weed.
Schumer has been making waves on cannabis policy since he first introduced a bill to legalize marijuana in April 2018. It was part of his pitch for voting Democrat in the 2020 election, and now with the majority in hand he is putting together new federal marijuana reform legislation with Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).
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I want to make my arguments to him, as many other advocates will, Schumer said in an interview with POLITICO this week. But at some point we're going to move forward, period.
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A: Well, he said he'd like to see more information on the issue. I respect that. I certainly will have an ongoing conversation with him, and tell him how my views evolved. And hope that his will to.
Q: Will the Senate move forward even if the president's views do not evolve on this?
A: We will move forward. He said he's studying the issue, so obviously want to give him a little time to study it. I want to make my arguments to him, as many other advocates will. But at some point we're going to move forward, period.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/03/schumer-senate-marijuana-legalization-478963
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/597/related-bills
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1456
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)...I don't mind who get the credit. Just legalize it ASAP!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Seems some for-profit editorialists are attempting historical revisionism to better soothe their own flawed stories over the past eighteen months.
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)Now if he changes his mind about legal Cannabis, we can ace 2022 without a hitch!
PortTack
(32,704 posts)STOP!
Yes, Biden is leaning more left and winning the hearts and minds on the merits of who he is, not what a few ppl want him to be
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)Will tell us one way or another for sure.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)...complex dilemma, than simply legalizing it.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)without messing with the treaties and the federal enabling statute.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/marijuana/2019/04/04/warren-cosponsors-landmark-bill-protect-legal-marijuana-states-from-federal-interference/MG9GuqJH8FMMk99VkayUyI/story.html
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)If you want to rave about Bidens awesome progressiveness that is impressing and surprising us all, then call out to Pelosi and Warren and Harris and Buttigieg and all our other Democrats that have been not only talking and working for, but rolling up sleeves and doing.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)The Center for Effective Lawmaking (CEL) is a joint partnership between the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy and Vanderbilt University. It was created in 2017 to advance the generation, communication, and use of new knowledge about the effectiveness of individual lawmakers and legislative institutions in Congress. The Center grew out of the Legislative Effectiveness Project, based on the scholarship of Craig Volden and Alan E. Wiseman, as featured in the award-winning book Legislative Effectiveness in the United States Congress: The Lawmakers.
https://thelawmakers.org/find-representatives
https://thelawmakers.org/find-representatives
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)using that site's own words:
Q. If a Representative or Senator has a low LES or ILES, does that mean that she is not an effective lawmaker?
Not necessarily. As described above, the LES is designed to measure how successful a given Representative or Senator is at moving his or her own legislative agenda items (meaning, the bills that he/she sponsors) through different stages of the legislative process, where those bills are also coded for substantive significance. A relatively low LES results from few introductions or from sponsored bills not progressing particularly far. Likewise, given that an ILES captures how successful a Representative or Senator is at moving bills in a particular issue area, it is quite plausible that a Representative is extremely successful at advancing bills in issue areas that are most important to her, while devoting little attention to bills that engage with issues that are less important to her, leading her to have a high ILES in some issue areas, but not others. Such variance in scores would reflect a Representatives or Senators different issue priorities, rather than effectiveness in lawmaking, per se.
That said, other efforts that may be commonly considered legislative effectiveness, such as working behind the scenes to help others bills pass, having ones legislative proposals incorporated into other legislators bills (which then advance further in the legislative process), serving as Speaker of the House or party leader, or blocking proposals of opponents, are not included in calculating the LES.
(My Bold)
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)None of his bills advanced beyond being referred to committee and only one of his amendments made it to a vote. It wasn't adopted.)
One resolution did make it to Trump's desk, but it was vetoed and failed on the override.
https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22congress%22%3A%22116%22%2C%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D
https://thelawmakers.org/find-representatives
Sanders' 2020 Report Card from govtrack.us
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2020
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Their ranking is referring to how a Senator or Representative does getting their OWN bills passed.
Real Effectiveness as a politician involves so much more.
I'm done here. Have a good day.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)He was most absent in votes compared to All Senators
- Sanders missed 57.4% of votes (413 of 720 votes) in the 116th Congress
Sanders got his bills out of committee the least often compared to Serving 10+ Years
Wrote the fewest laws compared to Serving 10+ Years (tied with 1 other)
-Sanders introduced 0 bills that became law, including via incorporation into other measures, in the 116th Congress.
Leadership: Ranked the 2nd bottom/follower compared to Serving 10+ Years
- Leadership analysis looks at who is cosponsoring whose bills. A higher score shows a greater ability to get cosponsors on bills.
Got influential cosponsors the 5th least often compared to Serving 10+ Years (tied with 1 other)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2020
Cha
(296,796 posts)- Sanders missed 57.4% of votes (413 of 720 votes) in the 116th Congress
Sanders got his bills out of committee the least often compared to Serving 10+ Years
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2020
Celerity
(43,081 posts)higher, for instance he was the 13th most effective Dem in the 113th. And this is just counting the Democratic Caucus, many Rethugs have worse scores. There seems no clear pattern either, for all the Dems, Congress to Congress. Bernie is on the longer end multiple times, but certainly not the 2nd lowest overall.
the low end from the 113th Dems for comparative purposes
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Sharing the most recent data isn't "cherry picking".
The only thing that the 2013-2014 data show is that Sanders is less effective now than he was then.
Celerity
(43,081 posts)they made a statement in toto
That is highly prejudicial framing via omission, and not accurate for the sum of his career.
Senators go up and down in the ratings over time. I also stipulated that he is generally in the lower regions, which is often the case.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)There is nothing prejudicial about stating facts as they currently exist.
Countering with "Yes, but he was more effective in the past" does nothing to change that fact.
Here are Sanders' ratings "in toto" for the 26 years he has been in the Congress:
Congressional Session
As a congressman
102nd .336
103rd .219
104th .463
105th .347
106th .231
107th .343
108th .266
109th .380
As a senator
110th .199
111th .552
112th .338
113th 2.025*
114th .191
115th .195
116th .136
*The randomly selected random session cited as evidence of effectiveness by the poster who accused others of cherrypicking appears to be the outlier in Sanders' 26 year career in Congress.
Average (all sessions)
0.3668
Average (with lowest and highest session rankings removed)
0.2588
Mean
0.266
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Celerity
(43,081 posts)stated Sanders was usually in the lower parts of tge rankings. He is a contrarian lefty who envelope pushes. Some love that, some obviously hate it.
Cheers
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Sanders is 98th.
https://thelawmakers.org/find-representatives
tirebiter
(2,532 posts)Ive always accepted Joe for what he was and is. Not ready for prime time before but the right guy now
JI7
(89,239 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)The thing, mostly all our Democrats, 0ur base are progressive, some more so than Sanders and certainly more effective. Since 2015 in order to win the election so campaign rhetoric we have been hearing there are only some (they tell us often) as being progressive's instead of a whole Democratic base. We have many many many progressives and they are not in the "left" group. It has been a struggle we have been having for five years because the base is continually being told they are not progressive regardless of the fact they are the very ones moving the progressive accomplishments.
It has got to stop. It was a false accusation/characterization in the 2016 campaign as it is now. We had Warren and Harris and Gillabrand in the run off and they rank higher progressive than Sanders.
Sanders does not get to own what the base progressive is actually moving forward. Markley is in the top five most effective and I do not know many that can out progressive him.
Is that the one from Orechusetts or the one from Massagon?
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)DFW
(54,275 posts)So I played it safe...
If it's any consolation, in England, "Merkley" really WOULD be pronounced "Markley."
betsuni
(25,374 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)and have to blithely hand it off to a person who has done very little legislating in a very long senate career
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)...I'm happy about it!
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)I am happy the way the Democratic base has gone heads on with the Republicans and media with all this and yes, Sanders can be in on that along with ALL the other Democrats. Regardless, Biden has been given the opportunity to excel here because he has the majority of the voice of the nation, and our Democratic party, house and senate. Again, Sanders hasn't done a lot. I can name a whole lot of others that I would be patting on the back first, for their voice, effort and follow thru.
Nancy has been sterling
Me.
(35,454 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)betsuni
(25,374 posts)in Congress. President Obama would've done so too if possible, a miracle the ACA passed at all.
Bernie does not come from that same liberal Democratic tradition.
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)...healthcare as an American (human) right, up next. It would be allowed under reconciliation.
betsuni
(25,374 posts)Here's Ted Kennedy in 1978 saying health care is a right and not a privilege:
The Clinton administration tried for universal health care, as did the Obama administration. Didn't have the votes for a public option. The Democratic candidate in 2016 ran on ACA with public option and Medicare at 55.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Biden and all Democrats get to own this. Biden has been awesome in his own right and he was fifth on my list.
mvd
(65,157 posts)I am very happy. Hes taken the party closer to its roots economically. I wish he would forgive more student loan debt, be open to Medicare For All, and be a little more dovish on foreign policy - but I didnt expect him to be Bernie. Bernies great, but Biden is at least making progress possible.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)A great reason for MFA now!
George II
(67,782 posts)....an expansion of REAL Medicare to people 60 or 55.
I can't remember the last time he mentioned "Medicare* for All"
*INO, not true medicare
samnsara
(17,604 posts)Autumn
(44,976 posts)in a long time. Such a change having a president who is acknowledging the needs of the people and addressing those needs.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)during and after the primaries. Remember, Ari was pushing the tara reade story even after the primary process. Skunk. I don't know why anchors don't think viewers can't tell when they're pushing an agenda. They have certain voice inflections and facial expressions that always give them away. They don't fool me.
I mean, Obama administration wanted an infrastructure plan. But of course, all credit goes to bernie.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/03/29/what-you-need-know-about-president-obamas-plan-improve-american-infrastructure