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Towlie

(5,324 posts)
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:34 AM Apr 2021

"Secret pardons"? Is there really such a thing? How would they work?

How could it be officially proven that Trump issued a secret pardon while he was president? Who is the Keeper of the Official Pardon Registry? What could prevent Trump and his minions from cobbling together a pardon and claiming that Trump issued it during his presidency? Would it have to be proven that he did, or would the burden fall upon prosecutors to prove that he didn't?

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Karadeniz

(22,513 posts)
2. This was mentioned as what Trump might do for his children before leaving office. Who knows if it
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:47 AM
Apr 2021

Would work...it shouldn't in a free society. It's like the exact mirror image of the Carte Blanche that could send someone secretly to the Bastille, but the Trump carte blanche would secretly free criminals.

Presumably, he was going to issue blanket pardons on paper, but not announce them. Then, should the need arise, they could just pull the pardon out!

MineralMan

(146,304 posts)
3. I do not believe such a thing would stand up in court.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:51 AM
Apr 2021

Pardons are issued by Presidents publicly. I've never heard of a "secret pardon." I don't thing such a thing would be legitimate.

Even blanket pardons are questionable. A "secret pardon" would be challenged, and would end up at the SCOTUS, which would probably rule that they were unconsitutional.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,609 posts)
4. It just means the pardon wouldn't be announced by Trump
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:53 AM
Apr 2021

But if the pardon recipient was ever charged for crimes committed during Trump’s administration, they would have to assert the pardon in front of a judge, and show documentation, in order for the charges to be dismissed.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
5. So just swing by Mar-A-Lago and pick up your back-dated Get Out Of Jail Free card?
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 11:04 AM
Apr 2021

 
?

I wonder what Trump charges for one of those.

dchill

(38,489 posts)
6. As in, "Oh, I've already been secretly blanket-pardoned for that...
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 11:07 AM
Apr 2021

...and anything else I may or may not have secretly done!"

That sounds Trumpy.

Bev54

(10,052 posts)
7. There is one way to find out if he did have pocket pardons
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 12:19 PM
Apr 2021

and they are quite legal, there is nothing that says the pardons need to be public. Charge them all with a federal crime and see what pops up.

Bev54

(10,052 posts)
8. Just to clarify, the secret pardons are legal
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 12:21 PM
Apr 2021

I do not think self pardons are, including family members or co-conspirators, and could and would be challenged in court.

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