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Nevilledog

(51,101 posts)
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 06:12 PM Apr 2021

Capitol riot defendant flips against Proud Boys



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Jim Sciutto
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Apr 7, 2021
New: At least one Capitol riot defendant has flipped against the Proud Boys, agreeing to provide information that could allow prosecutors to bring a more severe charge against the group's leadership, according to an attorney involved in the case - @kpolantz reporting.

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Capitol riot defendant flips against Proud Boys
At least one of the Capitol riot defendants has flipped against the Proud Boys, agreeing to provide information that could allow the Justice Department to bring a more severe charge against the...
cnn.com
2:09 PM · Apr 7, 2021


https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/07/politics/capitol-riot-flip-proud-boys/index.html

(CNN) — At least one of the Capitol riot defendants has flipped against the Proud Boys, agreeing to provide information that could allow the Justice Department to bring a more severe charge against the group's leadership, according to an attorney involved in the case.

The development is the first indication that people charged in the insurrection are cooperating against the pro-Trump extremist group. Federal prosecutors have made clear they are focused on building conspiracy cases against leadership of the Proud Boys and paramilitary groups like the Oath Keepers.

Court records have made murmurs for weeks about cooperators and plea deals in the works, and prosecutors revealed that a rioter wearing an Oath Keepers hat was in talks to cooperate earlier this week.

Yet the cases are still in early stages. None of the defendants have pleaded guilty yet, and prosecutors have struggled at times to convince judges to perceive high-profile defendants as conspirators who organized the violence toward Congress on January 6 in advance.

What happens next is likely to follow the same pattern as in organized crime or drug investigations, with prosecutors pressuring knowledgeable defendants to become witnesses. Some may sign up to cooperate, and many of those charged are likely to plead guilty to avoid trial or more severe charges.


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Crowman2009

(2,495 posts)
10. Not to mention that proud pre-pubescents like him tend to
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:44 AM
Apr 2021

be violent to prove there alphaness. So I couldn't care less if these right-wing thugs want to kill each other.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
2. For this individual it was likely a choice between a club fed and Supermax.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 06:16 PM
Apr 2021

To my understanding when it comes to these types of things the person who flips first usually gets the best deal.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. I just love those grandiose names they give themselves
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 06:21 PM
Apr 2021

"Oath Keepers" for the stalwart band of brothers who turn snitch on each other. "Proud Boys" for a bunch of informants like Enrique just itching for the chance to sell each other out.

Firstest gets the leastest boys. Let the race to the prosecutor's office begin!

usaf-vet

(6,185 posts)
9. In my mind everyone who honors the oath to Support and Defend the Constitution against all enemies..
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 08:30 PM
Apr 2021

..... are the true OATH KEEPERS.

It's that simple.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
5. This is a dangerous sentence:
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 06:28 PM
Apr 2021
“... prosecutors have struggled at times to convince judges to perceive high-profile defendants as conspirators who organized the violence...”

That surprises me.

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
7. judges are largely evidence based.....
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:12 PM
Apr 2021

And the prosecution hasn't presented the hardest evidence they have yet. They are building a theory into a case, and judges are skeptical.

But in the end it will be juries that need convincing.....

70sEraVet

(3,501 posts)
12. If they get enough 'flips', some familiar names will begin to pop up.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 05:59 PM
Apr 2021

Think Roger Stone, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell,.....

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