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If that MURDERER chauvin gets off-this world is going to be in trouble (Original Post) demtenjeep Apr 2021 OP
If he does JustAnotherGen Apr 2021 #1
no it is not demtenjeep Apr 2021 #5
What do you intend to do? Treefrog Apr 2021 #2
Whatever you consider "rocking and rolling," there's no reason to not do it now. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #3
Cities will burn. NightWatcher Apr 2021 #4
yes they will demtenjeep Apr 2021 #6
The Cons will be grinning with glee if that happens SunImp Apr 2021 #13
and THAT is the problem... bahboo Apr 2021 #36
And what does that accomplish? Absolutely nothing. I hope the guy is convicted but Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #37
I dunno, but I am guessing he has a target on his back and will have to go into protective joetheman Apr 2021 #48
"Should" react strongly and angrily, yes Silent3 Apr 2021 #7
"Rock and Roll?" Really? hlthe2b Apr 2021 #8
maybe I used the wrong phrase. I meant let the mother fucker burn demtenjeep Apr 2021 #10
I expressed my fears. That is hardly "jumping on your word choice." hlthe2b Apr 2021 #12
What mother fucker do you intend to burn exactly? You burn down cities and people lose their homes. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #38
I don't think killing more black people is really the solution you think it is. cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #52
And will you pay out of pocket for the innocents harmed? Sympthsical Apr 2021 #9
innocents harmed? stillcool Apr 2021 #14
Illogical response not addressing the point Sympthsical Apr 2021 #22
yeah, whatever....the 'innocents' is what got me... stillcool Apr 2021 #49
Innocents like those whose businesses are burned to the ground... TwilightZone Apr 2021 #26
innocents like those murdered are less important.. stillcool Apr 2021 #45
And that is exactly the wrong way to fix this. It won't work. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #39
Why post this?? nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #11
because I am allowed to post my thoughts? Ponderance? demtenjeep Apr 2021 #16
It's a discussion board. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #23
Ponderance doesn't mean what you think it does. Treefrog Apr 2021 #30
Guess the op is ready to rock and roll! Treefrog Apr 2021 #28
Let's hope justice is served nt XanaDUer2 Apr 2021 #15
I totally agree demtenjeep Apr 2021 #17
nor I nt XanaDUer2 Apr 2021 #25
There's little justice to be had here. Justice would be George Floyd is alive today. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #19
Okay but what are you doing about it? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #18
teaching the next generation not to be as fucked up as past generations. demtenjeep Apr 2021 #21
again demtenjeep Apr 2021 #31
The defense attorney, Nelson, crushed the states use of force witnesses. Calista241 Apr 2021 #20
I agree and have been watching every day.... hookaleft Apr 2021 #35
Bullshit. I guess if you're routing for the defense you see whatever you want to see. Solomon Apr 2021 #53
Can I ask why people are speculating that he will? brooklynite Apr 2021 #24
past is prologue demtenjeep Apr 2021 #27
Sorry but what a defeatist attitude. We have a great President in office, a good administration. Treefrog Apr 2021 #29
The younger generation already knows what kind of world they live in. Irish_Dem Apr 2021 #32
Some of us have lived long enough to see how this story could turn out. Irish_Dem Apr 2021 #33
I still markie Apr 2021 #40
Unfortunately our justice system is flawed...and that is a fact. You can expect all you want, but Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #41
Doesn't matter if he is convicted or not.......... hookaleft Apr 2021 #34
Well that is illegal and stupid and I hope anyone who engages in violent behavior is locked up. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #42
Amen Calculating Apr 2021 #43
That is what I believe. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #56
Yeah. Let's just kneel at a football game and see what happens. Solomon Apr 2021 #54
I don't believe violence solves anything...all you do is drive people from their homes and Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #55
He won't be acquitted, but there is always possibility of a hung jury. Hoyt Apr 2021 #44
I don't think he'll get off. Will be convicted of SOMETHING. WarGamer Apr 2021 #46
Probably Karma13612 Apr 2021 #47
the murder charge was always a Hail Mary. WarGamer Apr 2021 #50
Sounds about right. Karma13612 Apr 2021 #51

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
1. If he does
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:07 PM
Apr 2021

It's not going to be good.

If that was my brother or nephew or cousin (black men) -

It would tell me that I can't rely on the justice system to punish lynching.

That we would have to get justice on our own. That's not good.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
5. no it is not
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:13 PM
Apr 2021

I weep for this nation.

We are taught in grade school that USA -ya ya ya


actually it is not great-our history-just the rich people making it off the backs of the rest of us-black, brown, red, yellow, poor


 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
6. yes they will
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:13 PM
Apr 2021

and I am so glad that dotard isn't in the Oval this time because he would have made things so very much worse with his response

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
37. And what does that accomplish? Absolutely nothing. I hope the guy is convicted but
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:26 PM
Apr 2021

if not we need other ways to hand these case. I think they should be tried at the federal level...burning and rioting accomplished exactly nothing.

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
48. I dunno, but I am guessing he has a target on his back and will have to go into protective
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:03 PM
Apr 2021

cover if he does not go to jail. And if he goes to jail, it will have to be solitary confinement.

Silent3

(15,018 posts)
7. "Should" react strongly and angrily, yes
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:14 PM
Apr 2021

But, unfortunately, that almost always means too many people who *aren't* the problem getting hurt.

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
8. "Rock and Roll?" Really?
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:17 PM
Apr 2021

I certainly don't associate what may well be violent protests with "rocking and rolling."

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
10. maybe I used the wrong phrase. I meant let the mother fucker burn
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:24 PM
Apr 2021

good grief


isn't anyone capable of reading for meaning instead of jumping on a word choice someone else might not use?


Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
38. What mother fucker do you intend to burn exactly? You burn down cities and people lose their homes.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:27 PM
Apr 2021

how is any of that helpful.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
52. I don't think killing more black people is really the solution you think it is.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:31 PM
Apr 2021

Nor is burning down there business's and homes. You may want to rethink what you are posting.

Sympthsical

(8,936 posts)
9. And will you pay out of pocket for the innocents harmed?
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:21 PM
Apr 2021

I'm guessing not.

People shouldn't approve of violence, much less so clearly lust for it.

That would make us better than the Right how? Or is our violence better than their violence?

If you think Trump was a problem, unleash this rocking and rolling, and see what the electorate does.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
14. innocents harmed?
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:36 PM
Apr 2021

what kind of 'innocents' would those be? Like the 7 people that lost their eyes from projectiles fired at them while peacefully protesting? Like the slew of unarmed black people that have been killed by cops, who face zero consequences? Those innocents? Are you going to pay out of pocket for that? When there is no justice, people 'revolt'. Don't know if you noticed, but the protests this summer across the country...that was the electorate.

Sympthsical

(8,936 posts)
22. Illogical response not addressing the point
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:53 PM
Apr 2021

You're saying I'm ok with police violence against protestors.

Which part of not being ok with violence was unclear in my post?

Biden won the presidential election - but it was close when it comes to the states that flipped the electoral college. We lost seats in the House.

And that was with Trump.

The people who so clearly want violence if the result is not what they desire should keep that in mind.

But, this is the Internet. The people who are ok with violence should it result will watch it approvingly from their living rooms, insulated from the damage caused. As is usually the way of these things. All of the mouth in the game and none of the skin.

So, you know, a Wednesday.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
49. yeah, whatever....the 'innocents' is what got me...
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:04 PM
Apr 2021

I don't know anyone who clearly wants violence. I know plenty that clearly want justice, and I know what it means to be human.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
26. Innocents like those whose businesses are burned to the ground...
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:59 PM
Apr 2021

in the aftermath, like in Minneapolis last summer.

Perhaps you believe that they are culpable?

This place is really odd sometimes.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
45. innocents like those murdered are less important..
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:48 PM
Apr 2021

than a freaking fire, set by who the eff knows. Yeah, this place truly is odd sometimes.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
16. because I am allowed to post my thoughts? Ponderance?
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:41 PM
Apr 2021

as this is supposed to be a safe place



jesus christ

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
23. It's a discussion board.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:54 PM
Apr 2021

If you're expecting zero feedback on anything you post, perhaps this isn't the place for you.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,147 posts)
18. Okay but what are you doing about it?
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:46 PM
Apr 2021

Expressing this kind of fatalism can come across as dispassionate or as an unaffected bystander to people Black, Brown and other marginalized people. Like, no shit things are fucked. What are you doing about it?

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
21. teaching the next generation not to be as fucked up as past generations.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:53 PM
Apr 2021

what are you doing about it?

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
20. The defense attorney, Nelson, crushed the states use of force witnesses.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 07:52 PM
Apr 2021

He even got one of them to admit he’d done almost the exact same thing to an arrestee. As in, he admitted he’d handcuffed an arrestee, and then held them in a stressed position while waiting for EMS to arrive.

The defense attorney has also gotten several of the ‘experts’ to admit that Chauvin’s knee is on the back / shoulder and not Floyd’s neck.

This case hangs by a thread, and it would not surprise me at all if Chauvin walks.

Solomon

(12,305 posts)
53. Bullshit. I guess if you're routing for the defense you see whatever you want to see.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:35 PM
Apr 2021

There's a fucking video showing the murder.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
27. past is prologue
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 08:01 PM
Apr 2021

I think many are tired of expecting that the right things will be done and then having the football hoisted away.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
29. Sorry but what a defeatist attitude. We have a great President in office, a good administration.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 08:04 PM
Apr 2021

Why so glass half empty? Sure hope you’re not teaching the next generation this kind of attitude.

Irish_Dem

(45,640 posts)
32. The younger generation already knows what kind of world they live in.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 08:44 PM
Apr 2021

And they are not happy about it.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
41. Unfortunately our justice system is flawed...and that is a fact. You can expect all you want, but
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:30 PM
Apr 2021

the bottom line is you may be disappointed. We need reform for sure so we keep fighting for that.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
42. Well that is illegal and stupid and I hope anyone who engages in violent behavior is locked up.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:31 PM
Apr 2021

No one has the right to burn down other people's property...which by the way insurance often won't cover.

Calculating

(2,954 posts)
43. Amen
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:41 PM
Apr 2021

Anyone burning, looting or destroying property needs to be locked up. Peaceful protest is fine, but when people start burning and looting that's crossing the line.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
55. I don't believe violence solves anything...all you do is drive people from their homes and
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 09:49 AM
Apr 2021

make the situation worse. Any movement loses needed support once it turns violent. Burning down cities because you don't like the verdict in a court case or whatever, is wrong period. I don't like the situation with institutional racism and the police, but how will burning down a neighborhood solve anything? People driven from their homes and in many case insurance won't cover the losses of homes and businesses...not the way to attract folks to an important cause.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
44. He won't be acquitted, but there is always possibility of a hung jury.
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 09:43 PM
Apr 2021

I think prosecutors would keep going after him if that happens.

I think he might get away with the lesser charge, but there isn’t much way to explain 9 minutes crushing a handcuffed man’s neck.

Karma13612

(4,527 posts)
47. Probably
Wed Apr 7, 2021, 10:01 PM
Apr 2021

Something like using excessive force or not following department policy.

But, I doubt he will get a murder conviction.

Yes, with summer just around the corner, things are going to heat up in this country. I do worry.


WarGamer

(12,106 posts)
50. the murder charge was always a Hail Mary.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:58 PM
Apr 2021

Prosecutors like to play the Goldilocks game, one charge too hot, one too cold and the next one is just right.

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