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brooklynite

(94,552 posts)
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 08:27 AM Apr 2021

What If Andrew Yang Wins?

The Atlantic

Andrew Yang is in the Throgs Neck neighborhood of the Bronx, standing next to a lectern on an empty city street.

He’s just resumed his campaign for New York City mayor after taking two weeks off to recover from COVID-19. The strain of the illness shows. He’s hard to hear through his two masks. He coughs occasionally. He seems tired, though his trademark egghead affability—think “that chemistry teacher the middle schoolers really like” or “the guy who you have to admit leads a good team-building exercise”—is on full display. He hams it up for passersby, posing for thumbs-up selfies, reminding commuters that primary day is June 22, telling people in impressive streetwear, “You look so cool?!” with a genuine sense of awe.

From the lectern, he announces a very big idea to the assembled crowd, which includes curious locals, a few journalists, and a gaggle of staffers in masks that say andrew yang. It is called the Big Apple Corps. (This also happens to be the name of a popular gay-and-lesbian community marching band.) Yang proposes that the city hire 10,000 recent college graduates to tutor the 100,000 public-school kids suffering most from learning loss due to the pandemic. He cites statistics on the digital divide and on the effectiveness of tutoring. He makes it personal. “I’m a public-school parent myself,” he says. “This year has been terrible for our kids.”

Yang’s pitch to New York City voters is not so dissimilar from his pitch to the broader American public in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary: big ideas, backed with data. He wants the city government to establish a basic income for the half a million New Yorkers living in deep poverty. He wants to create a public-banking network. He wants to transform New York into a hub for cryptocurrencies, and build casinos, and convert hotels into affordable housing. Put the white papers and campaign pronouncements together, and a picture emerges of a hypermodern municipal paradise devoted to social democracy and human flourishing.

The picture of how these big ideas would be funded and implemented is fuzzier. Yang has managed a tech nonprofit, a tutoring business, and a campaign and a half. But he has never held elected office, nor has he led a bureaucracy—let alone one with the scale and political fractiousness of New York’s. He has also committed, if softly, to cutting taxes.




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What If Andrew Yang Wins? (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2021 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2021 #1
Should that be 2021 Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2021 #15
But the nyc mayor's race is in 21? Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #16
Yes but the poster is making a statement about their preferred Presidential candidate. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #17
It's there a rule that says Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #18
Sure. But pointing out a preference is not "fighting". Caliman73 Apr 2021 #22
Sounds like a distinction Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #24
Again. Interpretation. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #25
Maybe it does Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #32
Well? Sherman A1 Apr 2021 #28
Then why not Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2021 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2021 #34
I assumed it was a typo Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #36
Surprisingly enough Sherman A1 Apr 2021 #41
He probably will win unless he totally sucks in the debates JI7 Apr 2021 #2
I will celebrate!! walkingman Apr 2021 #3
New York already has casinos tinrobot Apr 2021 #4
Just what NYC needs Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #5
Actually, Bloomberg was a very good (and popular) Mayor. brooklynite Apr 2021 #7
Until his last term Sanity Claws Apr 2021 #8
Nobody forced people to vote for him FOR his third term... brooklynite Apr 2021 #9
That's right Sanity Claws Apr 2021 #13
Stop and frisk was really popular Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #11
...and an overwhelmingly (7-1) Democratic electorate voted for him in 2005 and 2009. brooklynite Apr 2021 #20
Yes Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #21
Money can buy the first election, not the second and third. former9thward Apr 2021 #29
Yes it can Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #31
Stop and frisk is a bad policy AZProgressive Apr 2021 #35
So was detaining protestors Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #37
I am not a New Yorker. former9thward Apr 2021 #39
I don't live in Georgia Dem4Life1102 Apr 2021 #40
Stop moving the goalposts. former9thward Apr 2021 #43
+1 Agschmid Apr 2021 #44
Yeah, he was very good his first two terms Polybius Apr 2021 #14
The Nanny State! greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #23
Whip cream for everybody... lame54 Apr 2021 #10
I see him as a bright young man with a lot of good ideas. If he wins, New York will benefit. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2021 #12
+1 K&R onetexan Apr 2021 #38
Remember, during the campaign, Yang proposed giving every citizens $2000 to get us over our joetheman Apr 2021 #19
Then he's Mayor? Good for him? Tommy Carcetti Apr 2021 #26
The measure of being Mayor of New York isn't the ability to leap to a higher political office... brooklynite Apr 2021 #27
The Teachers union think he would be a terrible choice, he's a big Charter school fan like DeVos. OnDoutside Apr 2021 #42

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #6)

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
17. Yes but the poster is making a statement about their preferred Presidential candidate.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 12:57 PM
Apr 2021

The poster apparently really likes Yang.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
22. Sure. But pointing out a preference is not "fighting".
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:40 PM
Apr 2021

If I say, "I wish Elizabeth Warren were President", I am making a statement about who I would like to be President. I am not fighting about who won the primary. Now, if I said, "Joe Biden cheated Elizabeth Warren out of becoming President by..." Then, not only would I be pointing myself out as delusional, but I would be litigating the last primary. I support Biden. He is the Democratic President, but I still have my preferences. If the poster is constantly posting anti-Biden posts, then that would be a problem and I am sure juries would become involved.

Communication is a two way street. It is up to the sender to send the message as clearly as possible, BUT it is also the job of the receiver to interpret the message correctly. Assuming that someone expressing a preference is "fighting" maybe needs to be checked out.

My wife doesn't like harder rock or certain kinds of rap. She did not grow up listening to that music. I did. I have a very wide taste in music. She will say, "I don't like that...it sounds like noise". I can interpret that as her attacking me and my tastes in music, OR I can simply say, she has a preference and it doesn't match my own (and she has poor tastes ). We can fight over a perceived insult or we can just disagree on musical tastes.

So the question is, do you want to relitigate the primaries based on a picture on a signature line, or do you want to just accept that people have differences in tastes for Democratic candidates?

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
24. Sounds like a distinction
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:48 PM
Apr 2021

without a difference. And why not support Yang in his current campaign rather than one that he lost.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
25. Again. Interpretation.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 02:05 PM
Apr 2021

The poster clearly expressed the support for the current campaign and the reaction if Yang were to become NYC Mayor. The good thing but double edged sword about speech is that we can express any preference as long as it does not violate the TOS, and it appears that the poster's signature line, which as been the poster's signature line for awhile, has clearly not violated the TOS or upset anyone.

Alas, it appears that there will be no resolution to this disagreement so I leave you to your business and bid you a good day.

Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #30)

Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #30)

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
36. I assumed it was a typo
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:44 PM
Apr 2021

I'm just curious as to why your still supporting Yang for an election that is long over rather than the upcoming one.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
5. Just what NYC needs
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:51 AM
Apr 2021

another businessman with no government or public service experience. That has worked out so well in the past.

brooklynite

(94,552 posts)
7. Actually, Bloomberg was a very good (and popular) Mayor.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 10:58 AM
Apr 2021

That said, I'm waiting to hear what Yang's snow removal and trash pickup policies are...

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
8. Until his last term
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:44 AM
Apr 2021

I recall the public turning against him in his third term, the one that he wasn't supposed to have.

brooklynite

(94,552 posts)
9. Nobody forced people to vote for him FOR his third term...
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:46 AM
Apr 2021

FWIW - by that point he certainly had government experience.....

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
11. Stop and frisk was really popular
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:48 AM
Apr 2021

So was detaining protestors during the 2004 gop convention. And the tax breaks he gave to himself and his millionaire buddies while raising property taxes on the middle class. Yes all very popular, with republicans.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
21. Yes
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:21 PM
Apr 2021

because he outspent everyone else by 10 to 1. Doesn't mean that his policies were good for New Yorkers.

former9thward

(32,005 posts)
29. Money can buy the first election, not the second and third.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 02:57 PM
Apr 2021

If New Yorkers did not like his policies they would not have voted to re-elect him twice.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
31. Yes it can
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:36 PM
Apr 2021

Are you saying that stop and frisk was a good policy? Or that it was ok to illegally detain protesters to the 2004 republican convention?

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
35. Stop and frisk is a bad policy
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 04:41 PM
Apr 2021

It is also unconstitutional policing. Bloomberg did more stop-and-frisk than Giuliani. There are some instances where a Terry Stop is appropriate but not stopping and frisking random people on the street.

former9thward

(32,005 posts)
39. I am not a New Yorker.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 05:12 PM
Apr 2021

What I think is of no matter. I am commenting on what New York City voters must have thought. Please read the posts carefully.

former9thward

(32,005 posts)
43. Stop moving the goalposts.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 06:50 PM
Apr 2021

We were talking about whether money can buy re-elections. I say it has little importance. The voters are going to look at the incumbant's record. They either like it or not.

Polybius

(15,411 posts)
14. Yeah, he was very good his first two terms
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 11:59 AM
Apr 2021

I only turned against him when he started supporting the nanny state. Banning big sodas infuriated me.

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
19. Remember, during the campaign, Yang proposed giving every citizens $2000 to get us over our
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:09 PM
Apr 2021

economic disparities and economic slump. Looks like Biden at least followed some of that suggestion. AND, Yang moved his family to GA to help get the two Dem Senators elected. Yang has been pretty much an unsung hero. To me, he needs to be a more major player in the Biden administration.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
26. Then he's Mayor? Good for him?
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 02:10 PM
Apr 2021

Honestly, when it comes to elected positions of national attention, I don't think there's anything more overrated than mayor of NYC.

Long is the list of NYC Mayors who we've been told are national movers and shakers because they were or are mayors of New York, only to see them all fizzle out.

brooklynite

(94,552 posts)
27. The measure of being Mayor of New York isn't the ability to leap to a higher political office...
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 02:14 PM
Apr 2021

It's to successfully manage one of the world's largest and most complex cities, affecting the lives of 8 million people. Some people here think that's important.

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