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This expert witness in the Chauvin trial, a pulmonologist, (Original Post) Ocelot II Apr 2021 OP
This doctor is making the case for pre-meditated murder gohuskies Apr 2021 #1
He was not charged with first-degree murder. Ocelot II Apr 2021 #4
Yep, i understand that but Chauvin should have been charged with 1st Degree gohuskies Apr 2021 #5
Prosecutors don't charge crimes they don't think they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, Ocelot II Apr 2021 #6
Not at all. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #8
I expect Nelson to do a lot of Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #2
The doctor is spellbinding Deuxcents Apr 2021 #3
He's an excellent witness. Jim__ Apr 2021 #7

gohuskies

(1,155 posts)
1. This doctor is making the case for pre-meditated murder
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:08 PM
Apr 2021

Chauvin is guilty of 1st degree murder in my opinion.

Ocelot II

(115,656 posts)
4. He was not charged with first-degree murder.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:35 PM
Apr 2021

The three counts are second and third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

gohuskies

(1,155 posts)
5. Yep, i understand that but Chauvin should have been charged with 1st Degree
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:42 PM
Apr 2021

This trial is gut wrenching with the facts coming out.

Ocelot II

(115,656 posts)
6. Prosecutors don't charge crimes they don't think they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt,
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:47 PM
Apr 2021

and premeditation is often hard to prove. Instead they charged crimes they were confident they could prove (or at least one of them) rather than going to trial with a greater risk of acquittal. I think they have a very good chance of winning conviction on at least the third-degree murder charge, which requires only that they prove "depraved indifference."

Ms. Toad

(34,055 posts)
8. Not at all.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 03:25 PM
Apr 2021

He is testifying as to causation, not mens rea (mental state of mind - premeditation). What he is explaining about causation is not tied to Chauvin's mental state. The state contends it was not Chauvin's actions that caused Floyd's death. This expert's contribution is his physiological expertise about the cause, not his ability to dive into Chauvin's mind.

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
2. I expect Nelson to do a lot of
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 01:12 PM
Apr 2021

"were you there"
"Did you perform"
"How can you tell from video"

Or no questions your honor.

Jim__

(14,072 posts)
7. He's an excellent witness.
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 02:01 PM
Apr 2021

Nelson may make a few points on cross. The prosecution will probably clear them up on re-direct.

I expect the defense to go over the videos with fine tooth comb to try to find any possible conflict between the doctor's testimony and the videos. I don't think they'll find anything that actually contradicts his testimony; but they'll probably find some points of contention.

All-in-all, a great witness for the prosecution.

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