General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUPDATED: Sensata Story Will Destroy Romney -Romney's Bain Currently Selling Out US Workers to China
Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:05 PM - Edit history (33)
Please spread the word. This is so awful.
As covered on the ED show last night on MSNBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=UDqCrbz4OvU
Citations:
-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/is-this-why-romney-wont-t_b_1956151.html
-http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/politics/as-romney-repeats-trade-message-bain-maintains-china-ties.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
-http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/13/1143996/-The-Sansata-Story-Could-Destroy-Romney
-http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/bain-never-left-romney/
The testimonial from the workers video cites the above New York Times article.
"In addition, Mr. Romneys generous retirement agreement ensures that he continues to profit from the deals and decisions that Bain makes. He owns about $8 million worth of Bain funds that hold 51 percent of Sensatas shares. If Sensata saves money by closing the Freeport plant, that could add money to Mr. Romneys trust accounts, now or after the election."
We need to spread the word - this is too scary and important to let the MSM slide on not covering this.
Everyone please do your part to get this story out!
Twitter, FB, Reddit, Emails, Google+
Call and email your local TV news stations and email CNN, MSNBC, FOX, NBC, ABC. This story needs to go viral.
I'm a newbie, so IDK if this is the best place to put this thread. But we honestly shouldn't let this thread and story die. If Americans hear about this, I don't see how Romney will hold the perceived employment advantage that low info voters claim him to have. This story can bring Romney down and to justice.
UPDATE #2:
Romney Campaign calls police on workers being outsourced by Bain-owned Sensata
UPDATE #3:
Sensata Worker Outsourced by Bain Speaks Out
UPDATE #4:
The workers from the plant have a website:
http://bainport.com/
UPDATE #5:
PDF of the report that shows wage calculations for those in China and pictures of the factory in China.
Download and save and send people, this is crazy stuff.
http://www.globallabourrights.org/admin/reports/files/1210-Bain-Capital-Pitting-American-Workers-Against-Workers-in-China-Earning-Just-99-Cents-an-Hour.pdf
UPDATE #8:
Give Us A Break (another video about the workers)
UPDATE #6:
Apparently this Sensata plant story by the NYT (see above) was on the COVER yet it did not make TV news.
[URL=http://imgur.com/2DTIQ][IMG]
[/IMG][/URL]
UPDATE #7:
SO IRONIC HAHA
In Ohio today, Romney hammered Obama on Inaction on China Trade --- in the meantime, this Sensata story blew up on social media...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/13/romney-obama-china_n_1963944.html
UPDATE #9:
Tax break off firm sending Sensata jobs to China
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/mitt-romney-sensata-tax-break_n_1920396.html
UPDATE #10:
Was Sensata technologies in trouble? No, it was doing great. But they wanted more money.
http://www.globallabourrights.org/admin/reports/files/1210-Bain-Capital-Pitting-American-Workers-Against-Workers-in-China-Earning-Just-99-Cents-an-Hour.pdf
Bain Capital was founded by Mitt Romney in 1984 as a global private investment firm. Sensata Technologies, a Bain affiliate, was formed in April 2006 when the company purchased Texas Instruments sensors and controls division for $770 million. Just four years later, by 2010, Bains original investment had quadrupled to $3.2 billion, we believe largely due to outsourcing.
In 2011, when Bain and Sensata executives informed the Freeport workers, somewhat cavalierly, that they would be terminated in November 2012 and went on to explain that they were temporarily leasing the factory but were purchasing the machinery and the workers skills to train Chinese engineers before the work was shipped to China.
In fact, Mr. Jacob Sayer a Sensata spokesperson, said they were closing the Freeport plant in order to cut costs. Mr. Sayer went on: If that had not been part of the strategy, then the deal would not have been so attractive. When questioned by Paul Harris of The Guardian (August 10, 2012), the same spokesperson refused to comment, saying We dont have a statement on the impact it has on Freeport.
Bain and Sensata executives did not have a lot of time to talk about the 170 workers being terminated at the Freeport plant. The executives have had more pressing issues, such as setting up 12 Sensata/Bain capital funds organized under the laws of the Cayman Islands so as to avoid paying taxes.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/09/18/why-romney-cant-save-the-sensata-workers/
From the outset, Sensata said that it planned to move the jobs overseas at year-end 2012, since the majority of its auto-sensor business is in Asia. In fact, Sensdata didn't even buy the manufacturing facility from Honeywell. It leased it, with Honeywell expected to hang a for-sale sign when Sensata moves out in a few months.
To be sure, this is a horrible situation for the Sensata employees the vast majority of whom have not yet found other employment (Honeywell hired just a small number of folks to work in its other Freeport facilities). After all, Sensata has never suggested that the plant was unprofitable. It simply thinks the effort would be more profitable elsewhere.
Unfortunately, the workers are barking up the wrong tree with Romney.
Remember, this is the guy whose campaign got into a well-publicized scuffle over whether he really stopped making decisions for Bain Capital in 1999 or 2002 (for the record, it was 1999). How could he possibly open himself up to legitimate charges of influencing Bain's behavior in 2012? Even if one argues it's the right thing to do for the workers, it's not the politically feasible thing to do (and, if anything, Romney tries to be a pragmatist in such matters).
Moreover, there is little guarantee that a Romney plea would even save the jobs. Yes, he has friends and former colleagues on the Sensata board, including chairman Paul Edgerley. But they have fiduciary responsibilities to their own investors, and Sensata has made it clear that the best financial move is to shutter Freeport.
UPDATE #11:
Workers upset with Romneys profit harvest comments in 1985 video
http://rockrivertimes.com/2012/10/03/sensata-workers-attack-romney%E2%80%99s-profit-%E2%80%98harvest%E2%80%99-comments/
UPDATE #12:
Schilling Walks Out, Can't Take The Heat Of The Sensata Debate At Recent Town Hall Meeting (VIDEO)
http://progressillinois.com/quick-hits/content/2012/09/19/schilling-walks-out-cant-take-heat-sensata-debate-recent-town-hall-mee
UPDATE #13:
New from DailyKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/13/1144087/-More-on-Bain-Moving-Sensata-to-China
Mitt Romney: A "Blind trust is an age-old ruse"
UPDATE #14:
from freshwest
[URL=http://imgur.com/Askzz][IMG]
[/IMG][/URL]
Sensata Workers Are Living Proof that Romneys Tough Talk on China is Worthless
By: Jason EasleyOctober 13th, 2012
Mitt Romney is running around Ohio talking tough about China today, but one place he wont go near is Freeport, IL where the Bain owned Sensata Technologies is sending 170 jobs to China.
During campaign stops in Ohio today, Romney said, Its time for us to stand up to China for their cheating. Its got to stop. Weve got to get those jobs back and make trade to be fair.
In a statement, Obama campaign spokesman Danny Kanner responded to Romneys tough talk, Mitt Romneys talking tough, but his record and his policies show hes anything but when it comes to China. Mitt Romney called the Presidents aggressive action on behalf of American tire workers decidedly bad for the nation. As a corporate buyout specialist, he invested in companies that were pioneers in outsourcing to low-wage countries like China. And now, while President Obama would close tax loopholes that reward companies for shipping American jobs overseas, Mitt Romneys tax plan could create 800,000 jobs outside of America. Thats not a candidate who would be tough on China as president thats a candidate who thinks sounding tough will win him votes...
http://www.politicususa.com/sensata-workers-living-proof-romneys-tough-talk-china-worthless.html
Don't let up, keep on it, people's lives are at stake, not just in Freeport but all of America. This is the vision that Romney has, reducing the men and women of this nation to slave labor. And all for no good reason, just more greed.
UPDATE #14:
More videos:
Max: Outsourced Sensata Worker on Training Her Chinese Replacement
Cheryl Randecker, About to Lose Her Job to Outsourcing, Protests Romney Economy
UPDATE #15:
The Guardian covered this in August:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/aug/10/illinois-workers-bain-outsourcing
UPDATE #16:
Sensata Workers Respond to Leaked Video On Bain/Romney Business Model
UPDATE #17:
8/29/12 VERY GOOD Rolling Stone Article: "Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital
How the GOP presidential candidate and his private equity firm staged an epic wealth grab, destroyed jobs and stuck others with the bill"
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829
UPDATE #18:
NEWS ARTICLE TODAY IN INQUISITR: "Sensata Technologies: Scandal Could Be Brewing For Mitt Romney"
http://www.inquisitr.com/362821/sensata-technologies-scandal-could-be-brewing-for-mitt-romney/
UPDATE #19:
And... the GOP begins its spin! (See Twitter, false articles, misleading fact quotes, etc)
Here are the facts:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144360/-As-Story-Grows-GOP-Spin-Begins-5-Facts-About-Sensata
Keep in mind that this is linked to the 47% video obviously.
We kept this thing organized for this reason - GOP spin. Facts matter. We can fight spin with facts.
UPDATE #20:
Mother Jones: Romney's Stake in Chinese Stocks
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/romney-china-stock-investments
UPDATE #21:
DailyKos has these updates out - READ:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144360/-As-Story-Grows-GOP-Spin-Begins-5-Facts-About-Sensata
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144475/-Jake-Tapper-Calls-Out-Romney-s-Conflict-of-Interest-in-China
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144354/-STORY-Romney-Founded-Bain-Bain-Is-Still-Bain-On-11-5-12-Bain-Is-Selling-US-Jobs-To-China
UPDATE #22:
VIDEO: Today's livestream interview of the workers at Sensata
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/26152391#utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=26152391&utm_medium=social
UPDATE #23:
Clarification on the American and Chinese flag:
There seems to be some confusion about whether or not our Sensata plant took down our American flag and replaced it with the Chinese flag. Here is the truth. Sensata took down our American flag on the day they flew in our Chinese replacements that we were forced to train. They put our American flag back up after the Chinese workers left. They never flew the Chinese flag.
http://bainport.com/post/33539176657/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-chinese-flag
UPDATE #24:
from DU user identify
Feature about the Overpass Light Brigade at Bainport
https://vimeo.com/50491093
UPDATE #15:
GOP knows about this - Spinning today from FOX News:
http://nation.foxnews.com/obama/2012/10/14/obama-owns-shares-sensata-personally-benefits-outsourcing-jobs-china
BUT...
From the NYT article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/politics/as-romney-repeats-trade-message-bain-maintains-china-ties.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
This merely means that the state of Illinois has a partly-private retirement plan for its elected officials. As part of its shared investments for all of the employees eligible under the state retirement system holds shares of Sensata. This has nothing specific to do with President Obama, other than that he once held a job which contributed to the state retirement system.
Why again this story matters:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144354/-STORY-Romney-Founded-Bain-Bain-Is-Still-Bain-On-11-5-12-Bain-Is-Selling-US-Jobs-To-China
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)to see President Obama or VP Biden, make that plant a campaign stop? Imagine the ads...
lobointexas
(126 posts)Maybe this would force some MSM coverage.
chelsea0011
(10,222 posts)I have a feeling that MSM is about to make hay about the Libya embassy tragedy at the expense of the Obama administration. Meanwhile, this type of story will be ignored. Don't wan t to rattle Rmoney too close to the election.
Citizen Worker
(1,785 posts)Why? Because lurking in the background is the Trans Pacific Partnership supported by both political parties. The TPP will replicate the Sensata story over and over. Neither party will touch this story and it will slowly fade from public view and consciousness.
villager
(26,001 posts)And alack.
Ultimately, it's either "good cops" or "bad cops" as our electoral choice.
BadgerKid
(5,005 posts)I came in here looking for mention of this. In my view, neither party truly acts in a way to un-offshore jobs.
What jobs are we supposed to train especially today's youth for?
ffr
(23,399 posts)Mitt & the GOP need to be voted out. No More Republicans!
maddiemom
(5,179 posts)were reduced to an already disgraced former congressman, a religious zealot(or two), some zany or barely literate unaccountably elected officials and Ron Paul, who has many agreeing on half of his program, while appalled at the other half---whichever way they swing. Mitt Romney actually looked like the sane choice. Then we find he's the poster boy for what has destroyed our economy. What better choice for a presidential candidate at this point in history? The Republican party seriously needs some grownups to take charge. Unfortunately the teabaggers have rendered any who are, ineffectual or cowed.
Indep2992
(119 posts)It is pretty out of touch.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Thanks.
Indep2992
(119 posts)It is definitely such a powerful story. Makes a person really think about what is at stake in this election.
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)as the blatant racism shown by Romney supporters. It's really intereSTINK what the media chooses NOT to report when it comes to this jackass.
Indep2992
(119 posts)Send this information to the local Democratic HQ in your area.
Send this story to your family members and extended family members.
Call and email local TV stations.
Call and email TV stations in rural areas.
Send in tips to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC.
Send in tips to newspapers and magazines.
Use social media to get people to notice.
That is what is in our hands - the power to spread information and awareness.
Yeah, I don't think the MSM will cover this without some push because they are probably funded by interests that fund Romney... But we should do our best to alert networks and people to this story. That I think is in our hands.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Everything is changing everywhere...
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)"In addition, Mr. Romneys generous retirement agreement ensures that he continues to profit from the deals and decisions that Bain makes. He owns about $8 million worth of Bain funds that hold 51 percent of Sensatas shares. If Sensata saves money by closing the Freeport plant, that could add money to Mr. Romneys trust accounts, now or after the election."
Indep2992
(119 posts)That's why this story would be devastating for him if it reached the national level.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)it's not clear that 8 million is 51% of Sensata shares.
Sounds like Bain holds 51% of Sensata shares.
Mitt Romney owns 8million of those Bain funds.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)making large profits from this, even if he has no
controlling decision-making power -- because it
seems to me there is a question as to how much
Mitt still has a say.
However as they said in the video it's so much
about the morality -- of the whole system, which
Mitt spearheaded.
Even if he claims to be out of it, he is still profiting
greatly from it. That itself is significant.
Indep2992
(119 posts)He says he has no involvement with the Sensata company and with Bain, but it is obvious he does.
LOL sidenote:
When VP Joe Biden said in the debate "I have a bridge to sell you"... I thought to myself.. "Romney could buy that."
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)LMAO!!
Great sense of humor you have there! Welcome to DU!
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)weirdly 8 million dollars no longer sounds like much
money to me -- probably because of the spending in
the election, and the amounts of money I keep hearing
about in the billions and trillions, and 60 million from
this PAC and 30 million from that PAC until 8 million
does sound like small change.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)These rich people make the kind of mistakes with money no normal person would.
OOOPs side tracked myself.
Maybe for Romney 8 Million IS spare change.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)OVER 4 Million Jobs Lost under Bush. LOOK at that PLUNGE!!

Indep2992
(119 posts)This is so telling. Great info.
I was wondering if you had a hyperlink for this chart?
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)HERE, from the HuffPo article --- half way down the page is where the graph is found
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/is-this-why-romney-wont-t_b_1956151.html
jillan
(39,451 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)Bringing it up right now leaves him open to an incoherent debate about everything involving China over the coming weeks.
The MEDIA and the people are the ones that need to talk this through.
kentuck
(115,406 posts)Message.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)This would be devastating for Romney for this to get out. It needs to be the lead story on every news network.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)is not going to do a damn thing to his highness, the mittytwit. too much of the money god on his side in the guise of media and the kock brothers. Most americans voting for his highness could care less, and there are more of them than is popular to admit.
Indep2992
(119 posts)We need to not hide behind keyboards and just talk. We need to act in order to get things moving.
(1) Complaining about coverage won't do anything. Yeah, I don't think the MSM will cover this without some push because they are probably funded by interests that fund Romney... But we should do our best to alert networks and people to this story. That I think is in our hands. They cannot ignore a story with a gazillion comments and views.
Send this information to the local Democratic HQ in your area.
Send this story to your family members and extended family members.
Call and email local TV stations.
Call and email TV stations in rural areas.
Send in tips to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC.
Send in tips to newspapers and magazines.
Use social media to get people to notice.
That is what is in our hands - the power to spread information and awareness.
(2) This story will change the way people look at Romney. Low information voters and Independents are told constantly by the media, by the papers, by radio that Romney holds an advantage in jobs. This is not true. This story has heart. This story will destroy Romney if it gets out. It is our job, I think, to be active and get it out. I emailed so many people and called so many people and outlets. I went crazy with social media and emails. Do the same. Make a difference!
NOTE: I emailed/called people and told them about (1) the workers taking down the American flag/putting up the Chinese flag part, (2) the workers having to train the Chinese who will be taking their jobs (3) the plant will close the day before election day, and (4) Romney will profit immensely and refuses to talk to the workers. That was what will sell. Do the same.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)rhetoric.
Fly high, fly swift little video!! More people need to know what sort of monster is attempting to lead our country!
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)but didn't put up a Chinese one. If I spread this, I want to be accurate.
Indep2992
(119 posts)On the USW video:
@ 1:09 (Chinese flag)
@ 1:27 (Taking down the American flag)
Also, the MSNBC clip, where Ed interviews the President of the USW, Leo Gerard states:
@ 3:25 and after... about closing the plant on Nov 5 and about how Romney has like 10 other companies and figured out how to build his success around outsourcing
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The caller updated Ed about the protests and in the process related how when Chinese managers showed up to learn the jobs the American flag was taken down and a Chinese flag was flown until the Chinese left...
I can't say the caller was telling the truth but that is what he reported.
Indep2992
(119 posts)That is what the workers in the USW video say.
And when MSNBC's Ed Shultz talked with USW President Leo Gerard about this, the USW President did not contradict or correct this.
life long demo
(1,113 posts)they didn't put the chinese flag on the flag poll. Several videos I saw had a chinese flag placed on the chain link fence. It wasn't a small one, but also not a large one that is usually put on a flag poll in front of companies. This story is too important. The videos speak for themselves.
lobodons
(1,290 posts)This is the first thing I thought of when I saw the Bainport clip in this post: (taken from Romney's 47% hidden video where he talks about Chinese workers from his delusional perspective)
Indep2992
(119 posts)The President of the USW thinks Romney was talking about the workers at the Chinese plant who took over the American jobs that Bain outsourced before.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Freaking Republicans are tearing our country down to enrich themselves
Initech
(108,783 posts)siligut
(12,272 posts)Mitt really has no power to save their jobs.
Remember, this is the guy whose campaign got into a well-publicized scuffle over whether he really stopped making decisions for Bain Capital in 1999 or 2002 (for the record, it was 1999). How could he possibly open himself up to legitimate charges of influencing Bain's behavior in 2012? Even if one argues it's the right thing to do for the workers, it's not the politically feasible thing to do (and, if anything, Romney tries to be a pragmatist in such matters).
Moreover, there is little guarantee that a Romney plea would even save the jobs. Yes, he has friends and former colleagues on the Sensata board, including chairman Paul Edgerley. But they have fiduciary responsibilities to their own investors, and Sensata has made it clear that the best financial move is to shutter Freeport. In addition, Bain could have future fundraising trouble if Romney is elected president. After all, who wants to invest in a private equity firm that seems to make decisions based on a politician's best interests?
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/09/18/why-romney-cant-save-the-sensata-workers/
And if he did, I go back to my original statement, and that is, if he could save this plant, even delay the move for a few months so it appears he saved it, it would give his sorry ass the election.
Indep2992
(119 posts)If you watch the youtube clip, you see.
Their gripes are that he refuses to even talk to the plant workers.
Many articles have shown that he is obviously tied to Bain and has strong links to the Bain leadership, so that is nothing new.
BUT they are worried that American jobs will be outsourced, high paying skilled jobs, if Romney becomes President. THAT is the issue her. THAT is what is at stake.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The issue is that's the type of company Mitt worked for. He touts his business experience. That's his experience.
drm604
(16,230 posts)siligut
(12,272 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/blocking-bain-trucks-to-s_b_1937038.html
But Mitt really has no power to do so.
Unfortunately, the workers are barking up the wrong tree with Romney.
Remember, this is the guy whose campaign got into a well-publicized scuffle over whether he really stopped making decisions for Bain Capital in 1999 or 2002 (for the record, it was 1999). How could he possibly open himself up to legitimate charges of influencing Bain's behavior in 2012? Even if one argues it's the right thing to do for the workers, it's not the politically feasible thing to do (and, if anything, Romney tries to be a pragmatist in such matters).
Moreover, there is little guarantee that a Romney plea would even save the jobs. Yes, he has friends and former colleagues on the Sensata board, including chairman Paul Edgerley. But they have fiduciary responsibilities to their own investors, and Sensata has made it clear that the best financial move is to shutter Freeport. In addition, Bain could have future fundraising trouble if Romney is elected president. After all, who wants to invest in a private equity firm that seems to make decisions based on a politician's best interests?
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/09/18/why-romney-cant-save-the-sensata-workers/
Indep2992
(119 posts)If you watch the YouTube clip, you see.
Their gripes are that he refuses to even talk to the plant workers.
Many articles have shown that he is obviously tied to Bain and has strong links to the Bain leadership, so that is nothing new.
BUT they are worried that American jobs will be outsourced, high paying skilled jobs, if Romney becomes President. THAT is the issue her. THAT is what is at stake.
ananda
(35,145 posts)Isn't that a syndrome or something?
Just so sad.
Initech
(108,783 posts)backscatter712
(26,357 posts)Explain to me why that's not a worthy goal?
Blanks
(4,835 posts)With the same excerpt twice in the same thread.
siligut
(12,272 posts)I recognize that some (you) may not appreciate repetition, but some do.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)And since I'm the only one pointing it out. Perhaps I'm the one who's out of step here.
It just seemed kind of longish, but don't mind me.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:13 AM - Edit history (1)

can we find out how many jobs, he, mittytwit is responsible for in sending to china. got to be a lot of them.
mzmolly
(52,793 posts)welcome, welcome!
So good to have you here. Thanks for sharing this important information.
K and R!
n
Guitarzz
(105 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....right here in AMERICA! And this guy wants to run America?
George II
(67,782 posts)....sorry!!!
brewens
(15,359 posts)shouldn't that be totally repellent for baggers? Even if you can say they are moving toward a more free market based economy. European socialism is a huge boogieman for those people but their boy Robme is actively selling us out to a real communist country. We should club them over the head with that.
upi402
(16,854 posts)Get ready for the cricket storm again.
This should be on a tapeloop. Like when Howard Dean made an aggressive noise, the "Dean Scream" was 100% unimportant but got TONS of airplay.
Indep2992
(119 posts)I saw a tweet that MSNBC was going to have workers on next week.
And Jennifer Granholm tweeted about this.
Again, such defeatism will get nobody anywhere.
Be optimistic, we are a democracy. Voices matter.
I'm again reposting this for the 3rd time:
We need to not hide behind keyboards and just talk. We need to act in order to get things moving.
(1) Complaining about coverage won't do anything. Yeah, I don't think the MSM will cover this without some push because they are probably funded by interests that fund Romney... But we should do our best to alert networks and people to this story. That I think is in our hands. They cannot ignore a story with a gazillion comments and views.
Send this information to the local Democratic HQ in your area.
Send this story to your family members and extended family members.
Call and email local TV stations.
Call and email TV stations in rural areas.
Send in tips to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC.
Send in tips to newspapers and magazines.
Use social media to get people to notice.
That is what is in our hands - the power to spread information and awareness.
(2) This story will change the way people look at Romney. Low information voters and Independents are told constantly by the media, by the papers, by radio that Romney holds an advantage in jobs. This is not true. This story has heart. This story will destroy Romney if it gets out. It is our job, I think, to be active and get it out. I emailed so many people and called so many people and outlets. I went crazy with social media and emails. Do the same. Make a difference!
NOTE: I emailed/called people and told them about (1) the workers taking down the American flag/putting up the Chinese flag part, (2) the workers having to train the Chinese who will be taking their jobs (3) the plant will close the day before election day, and (4) Romney will profit immensely and refuses to talk to the workers. That was what will sell. Do the same.
upi402
(16,854 posts)Or welcome to DU!
MSNBC is not the MainStream Media. It is a tiny counter-balance to the agitprop spewing out of the corporate media.
And you have no idea what I've sacrificed over the decades- fighting the corporatism we now have - even having to defend myself from my brothers and sisters here.
Keep fighting the good fight!
(IMHO; tweets don't really count, but they are public record)
Indep2992
(119 posts)Will do!
Berlum
(7,044 posts)
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The story broke on TV. On a Corporate owned division of a Corporate owned major network, no less. NBC rign a bell or three? It was reported by one of the most highly compensated pundits in media today, who also covered it on his nation wide radio show. All of this was yesterday. Some media blackout that is.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)It wouldn't be a more outrageous lie than any of the others he's told.
Indep2992
(119 posts)This story has so much meat to it. This story NEEDS to go viral.
DHelix
(89 posts)You can write NBC here:
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/13/14417531-what-question-would-you-ask-the-candidates-at-tuesdays-debate?lite
Apparently, they will curate any emerging trends. Make this an emerging trend. Make your question direct, pointed, and primarily about the conflict of interest in a Presidential candidate having millions of dollars and controlling interests in companies that are shipping American jobs overseas and benefitting from cheap Chinese labor?
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Thank you.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)flyguyjake
(492 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)couple of years. That is that we are seeing the maturation of capitalism and it is none too pretty. As corporate influence has grown, mergers and acquisitions have consolidated power to fewer and fewer companies that have grown larger and larger. They write the laws, control the media, judiciary, and now they move factories to poor countries to take advantage of the desperate workers there. I can see that this trend will continue to where in 50 years or so, we will be the desperate workers that will work 7 days a week for the equivalent of 12 dollars a day. Eventually, only a handful of people/corporations will control all unless something interferes with this system. That something will not be pretty. Look to history and you can see the inevitability! The fact that we have a lying tax cheat who reveals nothing of himself or his policies, either tied or leading in the polls, for the world's most powerful position tells me we have moved way further along than I thought possible in my lifetime! Communism failed in the 80's, pure capitalism is going strong but has morphed into something very bad! Where do we go from here?
fasttense
(17,301 posts)but you can't have both?
Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)Next step, call the TV people:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111
Also:
I will update the thread first post as well
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)they would not let them in and take their letter...they make me sick.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Christopher Hayes@chrislhayes
To everyone tweeting me about #sensata: we're going to be covering it next weekend, when we have a former worker from the company booked
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)on the "interview" or hour long free ad time they're giving him this afternoon.
Indep2992
(119 posts)Go here for pictures!
[URL=http://imgur.com/ex1Tf][IMG]
[/IMG][/URL]
roody
(10,849 posts)weeks ago.
Indep2992
(119 posts)HOWEVER, we are trying to get this to go viral. Not everybody reads Democracy Now, but millions watch TV - CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and many read Reddit and twitter info.
I'm new to this whole blog thing, and I've never read Democracy Now. Lol.
roody
(10,849 posts)Response to Indep2992 (Reply #80)
roody This message was self-deleted by its author.
roody
(10,849 posts)Rather to praise DN. It is an excellent radio and tv program.
http://www.democracynow.org
Indep2992
(119 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Don't get me wrong; it's pretty well done, but it starts by showing Romney's statement in the first debate about tax benefits for moving jobs overseas.
It never really ties back into that. They aren't getting tax benefits for shipping the jobs overseas; the reduced wages give them more profit.
It's a good story, but the video isn't the kind of thing that I would expect to be persuasive to conservative leaning voters.
There are quite a few folks talking about how their lives were ruined by outsourcing and while I hate to see that happen; the conservatives I know could give a shit less until it happens to them.
In my experience in dealing with conservative voters; if you put that clip at the beginning of Romney in the debate and don't come back to it. That's all you'll hear about. Most won't even watch it, but they will refer to it as the 'sensata video' and say that it was refuted.
That's just my experience; so watch for it to turn out that way. I hope it does get some MSM coverage because the information is damaging to Romney, the presentation just isn't quite there IMHO.
Indep2992
(119 posts)What are you talking about when you say "put that clip at the beginning of Romney in the debate and don't come back to it"? I think we are referring to a story here.
People need to be interviewed. The Bain details need to come out. The Sensata details need to come out. Romney needs to explain himself - esp regarding tax benefits to companies that outsource.
Thus, the tax details need to come out. SPECIFICS lol.
Pass this video around and Romney will turn over his tax returns. You're kidding right. He isn't turning them over. This story isn't going to make him.
Obama is the one who made the assertion that companies get tax benefits when they outsource to china. Romney isn't going to be cornered into disproving a negative. I expect Obama has proof or he wouldn't have made the statement. If he didn't have something specific in mind; he's gonna have egg on his face.
I'm just trying to warn you. The story is good (though the other stories about companies that Bain ran into the ground didn't seem to do much damage). Don't expect there to be too much damage to Romney on this.
As far as I know Romney's never explained anything about the companies that Bain ran into the ground (and the campaign videos were more effective). Why do you think this story is any different?
It's just another story about a bunch of people who's lives were ruined. It bothers me, but the conservatives that weren't affected don't care. The people on the video were probably Romney supporters until it happened to them.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)and it will remain there until their jobs will be secured, HOME.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)I can't see a picture in your sigline on my iPhone.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)But it seems that it displays it on a computer screen. Everybody can grab it with a print screen shot from the video clip though (like I did) and make their own pics from the results. I don't know if it's doable from iPhones. Can you watch utube videos from iPhones? (I'm an absolute ignorant about everything Apple, sorry.)
Blanks
(4,835 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)(not) talking about promising this Country. Leveling mountaintops, mining, deforestation, oil, Fracking, all of them destroying the planet, the environment and all species.
Mitt is evil.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)and a LINK for where to send million (I hope...) emails about their tragedy to...
Indep2992
(119 posts)Do you have a link for that picture? We should def put that up on that first post.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)and pasted it in Paint, then I cut it out and pasted it back in a new window to save the result as a JPEG image. Then I loaded it in my photobucket album.
Everybody can save it from my sigline in my replies (on their own machines) now. No link necessary.
Indep2992
(119 posts)And how the President isn't doing a good enough job of preventing jobs from being outsourced... And this is what he does.
Why did the media let him slide on this and other facts/hypocrisies?
We need an informed electorate, and the media should help do that, not thwart the truth.
If it were Obama, they would've pounced. Kind of ridiculous.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)one. The 'media' is not our friend. The 'media' exists to maximize profits, not to denounce hypocrites.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)If Romney had a good lead they'd tear him down just a little. They NEED a horse race.
What would they have to cover if not the election. It's not like a football game; where if it's a blowout they can just switch to a different game.
Indep2992
(119 posts)Great job everyone, Senesta is seriously trending on twitter.
Gather as much info as you can guys about this before the big, Karl Rove and Koch-driven GOPs try to knock and twist the info off the web.
Indep2992
(119 posts)HAHA
In Ohio today, Romney hammered Obama on Inaction on China Trade --- in the meantime, this Sensata story blew up on social media...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/13/romney-obama-china_n_1963944.html
Indep2992
(119 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)DHelix
(89 posts)Once Huffington Post broke the 47% video the other news outlets started to follow given the reaction. Mind you, the 47% story was jucier with better footage and a headline that demanded attention since it was a "secret recording" but there is legitimate red meat here for people to chew on. The key points are.
1) Romney is a 51% owner. Mainstream media has tired of Bain stories because the counter argument is often than Romney doesn't work there any more and they think the average person won't care anymore about Bain either but this is current and this particular company Romney does have a majority share in.
2) Mitt Romney has a majority share in a company that recently removed American flags while Chinese workers were brought over to learn from Americans how to replace their jobs. That sentence speaks for itself and is the crucial point and news story here.
3) These people are being laid off the day before election day. This fact adds to the political aspect of this.
4) The workers are non-union so it's not like union negotiations caused this at all. Most people assume that it's union jobs that get outsourced.
5) The workers have declared the area Bainport and there are some great photos that would make for good news imagery. Pictures are worth a thousand words and any media outlet, including Huff Post, will want some images or video. There's both available.
When writing Huffington Post about this story be sure to touch on those 5 facts. There's a current story that deserves to go national here when all 5 facts are taken into consideration.
onecent
(6,096 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Someone grab a bullhorn and stand on top of a mountain and scream this.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Despite the facial resemblance and the fun photoshopping, Romney is not a vampire or a werewolf and this story, though damning, is not magic silver.
The "47 %" is as close as it comes. It was dead simple to explain: didn't really need explaining.
lostinthemaze
(16 posts)Just a little digging on the subject shows clear record that Honeywell was going broke in the business, due to competition from CHINA. They either had to sell the company or close it and lay everyone off. They sold it to Sensata, who had already stated the jobs were in peril due to unfair trade competition.
Seriously. Do any of you all have business experience? The factory was closing anyway. Sensata kept it open, but it can't compete and remain in the United States under the current unfair trade/money balances we are fighting with China.
Good lord.
Indep2992
(119 posts)Prove it. With legit links.
Response to Indep2992 (Reply #109)
Post removed
Indep2992
(119 posts)"From the outset, Sensata said that it planned to move the jobs overseas at year-end 2012, since the majority of its auto-sensor business is in Asia. In fact, Sensdata didn't even buy the manufacturing facility from Honeywell. It leased it, with Honeywell expected to hang a for-sale sign when Sensata moves out in a few months.
To be sure, this is a horrible situation for the Sensata employees the vast majority of whom have not yet found other employment (Honeywell hired just a small number of folks to work in its other Freeport facilities). After all, Sensata has never suggested that the plant was unprofitable. It simply thinks the effort would be more profitable elsewhere.
Unfortunately, the workers are barking up the wrong tree with Romney.
Remember, this is the guy whose campaign got into a well-publicized scuffle over whether he really stopped making decisions for Bain Capital in 1999 or 2002 (for the record, it was 1999). How could he possibly open himself up to legitimate charges of influencing Bain's behavior in 2012? Even if one argues it's the right thing to do for the workers, it's not the politically feasible thing to do (and, if anything, Romney tries to be a pragmatist in such matters).
Moreover, there is little guarantee that a Romney plea would even save the jobs. Yes, he has friends and former colleagues on the Sensata board, including chairman Paul Edgerley. But they have fiduciary responsibilities to their own investors, and Sensata has made it clear that the best financial move is to shutter Freeport."
pinto
(106,886 posts)Just some context and details. Thanks.
Indep2992
(119 posts)Also, read this report that I had in the first post (I'm certain you didn't bother reading it the first time):
http://www.globallabourrights.org/admin/reports/files/1210-Bain-Capital-Pitting-American-Workers-Against-Workers-in-China-Earning-Just-99-Cents-an-Hour.pdf
Bain Capital was founded by Mitt Romney in 1984 as a global private investment firm. Sensata
Technologies, a Bain affiliate, was formed in April 2006 when the company purchased Texas
Instruments sensors and controls division for $770 million. Just four years later, by 2010, Bains original
investment had quadrupled to $3.2 billion, we believe largely due to outsourcing
Response to Indep2992 (Reply #111)
Post removed
OneAngryDemocrat
(2,060 posts)Fuck off, troll.
Honeywell's 2011 annual stock report made it clear that Sensata bought a profitable business that was up 13% in a fucking recession.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NDU4MTI3fENoaWxkSUQ9NDg1NDA1fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1
Eat shit and die you evil right-wing fuck.
Indep2992
(119 posts)Thanks.
Can someone alert a moderator? lostinthemaze is a troll. I'm new so I don't know how to do that
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)lostinthemaze
(16 posts)A free company selling something to another free company. Honeywell was getting out of the business. This still doesn't make sense, other than you wish to score political points.
Again, Honeywell sold the business and it was on the rocks then. Now, you wish to keep a factory open that can't compete under the current scheme of currency and trade issues.
This is idiotic.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)OneAngryDemocrat
(2,060 posts)First, the company wasn't "viable" - but it was.
Then the company has the "right" to outsource a business - which it does not.
Hopefully the mods will see fit to oust your right-wing planted ass before you can lie another mother-fucking time.
Adios, troll.
OneAngryDemocrat
(2,060 posts)I am INTIMATELY involved with what is going on in Freeport, and what you filthy, rotten, right-wing bastards always want us little 99% "takers" to forget is that you fascist pricks do NOT have an inherent right to outsource American jobs ANYWHERE.
The ability to outsource a job is a fucking GIFT...
The whole time you sick fucks are ranting and raving about how much you all Gid damned want "small government" you're all primped and primed to demand a present from government that only comes wrapped in one of the 40+ international trade treaties we've entered into, and topped with a bow that mandates low tariffs on top of all the other insults.
No fucking trade treaty - no fucking outsourcing.
Now go choke yourself you sick bastard.
backscatter712
(26,357 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,848 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Hugabear
(10,340 posts)You're rather transparent.
cheriemedium59
(212 posts)lostinthemaze
(16 posts)Why didn't the city/county/state governments provide a package to retain the company?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)lostinthemaze
(16 posts)The rule of law. Personal freedoms, individual rights. Truth.
I don't have to tell you who I'm voting for. This is a democracy, and the name of this site is Democratic Underground.
With that said. {peace}
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)correct me anyone if i am wrong.
Response to lostinthemaze (Reply #127)
Post removed
Indep2992
(119 posts)And I 100% support Obama.
You, "my friend," are NOT an Independent.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)how immoral business dealings in the eighties reflect what we are seeing today. of course back then it was the "junk bonds." before junk bonds, people had to invest some of their assets to acquire an interest in a company; however, michael milkin came up with junk bonds where investors didn't need to sacrifice their assets. these greedy arseholes did raids on companies that were in the black and gutted them and sold them off. and the employees of these companies, american employees, some generational-you want to know what happened to them? the eighties and reagan made it okay to be an unscrupulous selfish prick. one with no fealty to a country or its' people.
so, believing in personal freedom, did you vote for little boots? and how about that truth? iraq ring any bells? now i'm for personal freedom; but i'm also smart enough to know that without regulating business, it can become a monster that will bite us in the arse. because, after all, to a corporation, there is no conscience just profits.
OneAngryDemocrat
(2,060 posts)The company was viable, and it's not up to the city/county/state government to "provide a package to retain the company" you backwards-assed right-wing SOCIALIST. Read the 2011 stock report: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NDU4MTI3fENoaWxkSUQ9NDg1NDA1fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1
lostinthemaze
(16 posts)Then why did Honeywell sell it? Most companies don't sell profitable businesses.
Response to lostinthemaze (Reply #128)
Post removed
newspeak
(4,847 posts)and, I believe it was apple. after spending money( taxpayer's), giving the company incentive to move, they decided not to. the taxpayers were left with the bill and no jobs. aren't you rather disturbed of any old corporation having that much power over the majority of the people?
the trouble with some of these corporations is it's all about making MORE profits over the misery of others. it's called predatory capitalism.
if these new repugs are so worried about the well being of american citizens why did they refuse to pass a bill giving incentives hiring american labor and taking away perks for moving jobs overseas? it seems all they care about is their own portfolio, the shysters on WS and even more profit for their already wealthy friends. tell me, when is it "country BEFORE increased profits?"
and after they have created the environment that is now in this country (and bet on our failure after creating it-on WS), I bet you have no problem of getting rid of a much needed safety net. I mean pull yourself up by your boot straps, right?
Indep2992
(119 posts)Bain Capital was founded by Mitt Romney in 1984 as a global private investment firm. Sensata Technologies, a Bain affiliate, was formed in April 2006 when the company purchased Texas Instruments sensors and controls division for $770 million. Just four years later, by 2010, Bains original investment had quadrupled to $3.2 billion, we believe largely due to outsourcing.
In 2011, when Bain and Sensata executives informed the Freeport workers, somewhat cavalierly, that they would be terminated in November 2012 and went on to explain that they were temporarily leasing the factory but were purchasing the machinery and the workers skills to train Chinese engineers before the work was shipped to China.
In fact, Mr. Jacob Sayer a Sensata spokesperson, said they were closing the Freeport plant in order to cut costs. Mr. Sayer went on: If that had not been part of the strategy, then the deal would not have been so attractive. When questioned by Paul Harris of The Guardian (August 10, 2012), the same spokesperson refused to comment, saying We dont have a statement on the impact it has on Freeport.
Bain and Sensata executives did not have a lot of time to talk about the 170 workers being terminated at the Freeport plant. The executives have had more pressing issues, such as setting up 12 Sensata/Bain capital funds organized under the laws of the Cayman Islands so as to avoid paying taxes.
http://www.globallabourrights.org/admin/reports/files/1210-Bain-Capital-Pitting-American-Workers-Against-Workers-in-China-Earning-Just-99-Cents-an-Hour.pdf
From the outset, Sensata said that it planned to move the jobs overseas at year-end 2012, since the majority of its auto-sensor business is in Asia. In fact, Sensdata didn't even buy the manufacturing facility from Honeywell. It leased it, with Honeywell expected to hang a for-sale sign when Sensata moves out in a few months.
To be sure, this is a horrible situation for the Sensata employees the vast majority of whom have not yet found other employment (Honeywell hired just a small number of folks to work in its other Freeport facilities). After all, Sensata has never suggested that the plant was unprofitable. It simply thinks the effort would be more profitable elsewhere.
Unfortunately, the workers are barking up the wrong tree with Romney.
Remember, this is the guy whose campaign got into a well-publicized scuffle over whether he really stopped making decisions for Bain Capital in 1999 or 2002 (for the record, it was 1999). How could he possibly open himself up to legitimate charges of influencing Bain's behavior in 2012? Even if one argues it's the right thing to do for the workers, it's not the politically feasible thing to do (and, if anything, Romney tries to be a pragmatist in such matters).
Moreover, there is little guarantee that a Romney plea would even save the jobs. Yes, he has friends and former colleagues on the Sensata board, including chairman Paul Edgerley. But they have fiduciary responsibilities to their own investors, and Sensata has made it clear that the best financial move is to shutter Freeport.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/09/18/why-romney-cant-save-the-sensata-workers/
dkf
(37,305 posts)Once Honeywell sold it, it was done.
The sad fact is that the workers were kept to train the Chinese. Otherwise they were done when the plant was sold. I feel bad for the employees as they did not realize what was going on. I've been through mergers before and people always hold their breath when it happens.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)just under the radar.
Response to dkf (Reply #135)
devilgrrl This message was self-deleted by its author.
Guitarzz
(105 posts)Guitarzz
(105 posts)Guitarzz
(105 posts)Crazy. Gahhh why is the media not covering this.
Guitarzz
(105 posts)The People At Sensata Should Be Asking The Justice Department And The People At Transportation Safety To Look Into This Sale. The Sensors That Sensata Manufactures Are Used In Automobiles And Aircraft. China Has Quite A Record Of Manufacturing Dangerous And Sub-Par Consumer Goods And Counterfeit Industrial Products. Do We Want Something That Our Lives May Depend On Being Made In A Third-World Labor Camp Where The Workers Are Treated Like Slaves - Overworked And Underpaid?
Here's An Example Of What China Does.....
http://wtkr.com/2012/10/16/pirate-costumes-siezed-due-to-high-lead-levels/
Indep2992
(119 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)Sensata Workers Are Living Proof that Romneys Tough Talk on China is Worthless
By: Jason EasleyOctober 13th, 2012
Mitt Romney is running around Ohio talking tough about China today, but one place he wont go near is Freeport, IL where the Bain owned Sensata Technologies is sending 170 jobs to China.
During campaign stops in Ohio today, Romney said, Its time for us to stand up to China for their cheating. Its got to stop. Weve got to get those jobs back and make trade to be fair.
In a statement, Obama campaign spokesman Danny Kanner responded to Romneys tough talk, Mitt Romneys talking tough, but his record and his policies show hes anything but when it comes to China. Mitt Romney called the Presidents aggressive action on behalf of American tire workers decidedly bad for the nation. As a corporate buyout specialist, he invested in companies that were pioneers in outsourcing to low-wage countries like China. And now, while President Obama would close tax loopholes that reward companies for shipping American jobs overseas, Mitt Romneys tax plan could create 800,000 jobs outside of America. Thats not a candidate who would be tough on China as president thats a candidate who thinks sounding tough will win him votes...
[URL=http://imgur.com/Askzz][IMG]
[/IMG][/URL]
http://www.politicususa.com/sensata-workers-living-proof-romneys-tough-talk-china-worthless.html
Indep2992
(119 posts)Cheryl
Bonnie
Indep2992
(119 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Response to Indep2992 (Original post)
Indep2992 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Indep2992
(119 posts)Sensata Workers Respond to Leaked Video On Bain/Romney Business Model
Indep2992
(119 posts)Rolling Stone: "Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital
How the GOP presidential candidate and his private equity firm staged an epic wealth grab, destroyed jobs and stuck others with the bill"
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829
Indep2992
(119 posts)We got the story out! GREAT JOB!
Indep2992
(119 posts)Here are the facts:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144360/-As-Story-Grows-GOP-Spin-Begins-5-Facts-About-Sensata
Keep in mind that this is linked to the 47% video obviously.
Jim__
(15,222 posts)Sedona
(3,872 posts)NBC will curate your responses and decipher any emerging trends
here's the email address
questions@nbcnews.com
here's what I said under subject line
Sensata jobs sent to China?
Please ask BOTH CANDIDATES to discuss the conflict of interest in a Presidential candidate having HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars in foreign bank accounts and controlling interests in companies that are shipping American jobs overseas and benefiting from cheap Chinese labor?
sent from all four of my e mail accounts
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Or his terrorism of a gay classmate? Or his accepting a government bailout? Or his chickenhawking? Or his job destruction?
No one is going to pick this up. You can't fight Big Media.
Wednesdays
(22,603 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)ip5683
(11 posts)This has been out there for a while. Why isn't it having more of an effect?
theglammistress
(355 posts)And because none of us pushed it hard enough. And now we are.
Numbers matter. When the drumbeat gets loud enough, the M$M has to pay attention.
SalviaBlue
(3,109 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Thanks for all of the info that would take me hours to gather. While researching, I came across this video that Sheldon Adelson financed for Gingrich to use against Romney during the primary. Ironically, Sheldon Adelson is now Romney's biggest campaign contributor. These silly republicans...
Indep2992
(119 posts)Recap: dailykos has these articles out - READ:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144360/-As-Story-Grows-GOP-Spin-Begins-5-Facts-About-Sensata
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144475/-Jake-Tapper-Calls-Out-Romney-s-Conflict-of-Interest-in-China
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144354/-STORY-Romney-Founded-Bain-Bain-Is-Still-Bain-On-11-5-12-Bain-Is-Selling-US-Jobs-To-China
Indep2992
(119 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)There seems to be some confusion about whether or not our Sensata plant took down our American flag and replaced it with the Chinese flag. Here is the truth. Sensata took down our American flag on the day they flew in our Chinese replacements that we were forced to train. They put our American flag back up after the Chinese workers left. They never flew the Chinese flag.
http://bainport.com/post/33539176657/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-chinese-flag
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Indep2992
(119 posts)GOP knows about this - Spinning today from FOX News:
http://nation.foxnews.com/obama/2012/10/14/obama-owns-shares-sensata-personally-benefits-outsourcing-jobs-china
BUT...
From the NYT article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/politics/as-romney-repeats-trade-message-bain-maintains-china-ties.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
This merely means that the state of Illinois has a partly-private retirement plan for its elected officials. As part of its shared investments for all of the employees eligible under the state retirement system holds shares of Sensata. This has nothing specific to do with President Obama, other than that he once held a job which contributed to the state retirement system.
Why again this story matters:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144354/-STORY-Romney-Founded-Bain-Bain-Is-Still-Bain-On-11-5-12-Bain-Is-Selling-US-Jobs-To-China
ChangeUp106
(549 posts)Just sent out a few tweets with #Sensata in them. Keep it going. Get it trending. Of all the stories, this could really be the one to take down Mitt and the companies like Bain who do this.
Window
(7,265 posts)Spreading far and wide!
Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)the loyal republicans that are my friends immediately piped up "He doesn't own Bain Capital any more" Case (and mind) closed.
That's the extent of knowledge the low-info voters run with.
No amount of my divulging these facts would get by that.
More than ever our target is the involved swing voter.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Romney established the "Republican Values" mindset at Bain.
That degraded set of values is what is driving the company today.
Romney and the Republicans own this traitorous shit, even if they have found a way to weasel out of 'legal' responsibility.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)It is (or was), after all, an Illinois company. That's what public investment like that should do: create jobs in the state, county or whatever they serve. It isn't their fault, much less Obama's, that Bain ruined it for them.
But you just KNOW Rmoney will throw that back in O's face when (and if) he brings it up.
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)more attention. Republicans won't believe facts unless they have nothing else!!!!!This story must be covered like a blanket. If you want it to get good traction, e-mail all news programs for more information on Sensata. Keep asking for more information and details. If enough people ask they will bring more attention to it. Must go to all News networks ans ask them for information.
