Chauvin Wanted To Kill George Floyd No Other Explanation

[DanieRains]

He choked Mr. Floyd to death. He kept choking him long after he stopped moving. He kept others from rendering aid. He wanted to make sure the victim was dead.

Chauvin wanted to and did kill George Floyd on purpose.

No other explanation.

He just wanted to kill.

Rec if you agree plz.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Of course he did. That was his intent. No doubt about it in my mind.

[bluestarone]

2. 1st degree murder

That's the way i see it!!

[cstanleytech]

34. Probably difficult to get a conviction for that and even if you did it would probably be thrown out

as you would have to establish that the actions taken were premediated beforehand and that the intent was to kill him.

[stopdiggin]

68. that is pretty much what the post says

I don't agree with that assessment -- but taken as truth, it would allow for 1st degree.

[SKKY]

3. I honestly don't think killing him was Chauvin's manifest goal...

...but his attitude during the incident, which I would describe as aggressive indifference, leads me to believe that if something happened and George Floyd died, he wouldn't have lost any sleep over it. Chauvin was a cop for 18 years. You don't make it that far setting out to kill people. I would be very interested to know how many times Chauvin has been investigated by IA, and for what.

[brush]

5. It was reported here that chauvin has had several other reports of use of too much force.

They weren't allowed by the judge to be mentioned during the trial. And after 18 years of being on the job he had to know what he was doing was way too much force on someone's neck for way too long, with people pleading for him to stop and a rescue tech also asking to check for a pulse, and having to be asked by the arriving rescue workers to get off his neck.

No, something was up with that.

[demtenjeep]

37. I think I read 17 incidents almost one a year

he is dirty

[Oppaloopa]

71. A family member had a friend like that He was called in because way to many civilrights violations.

He thought he was getting fired. But no they moved him into narcotics They thought he would fit in more. Not that it is right but his violations were always regarding sexual assaults of children and the beating of women.

[ToxMarz]

14. Maybe after 18 years he was ready to retire or move on to something else

so why not go out doing what he's been wanting to do for 18 years.

[KPN]

55. You are too kind. Whether he wanted to or not, he knew what he was doing while he was

doing it, and even after (another 3 minutes) the deed was done. What’s the difference? A netter of degrees: 1st vs 2nd of the highest possible order. It was intentional gross negligence. Attitude should matter as much as intent.

[TigressDem]

66. 18 complaints in 19 years... the Union sheilded him from prosecution.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/derek-chauvin-minneapolis-police-background-life-2020-6


Both George Floyd and Derek Chauvin lived in Minnesota’s Twin Cities and even worked at the same nightclub before Chauvin knelt on Floyd’s neck during an arrest on May 25, killing him. But their lives were worlds apart.

Chauvin lived in a predominantly white St. Paul suburb and racked up 18 complaints over his 19-year career as a police officer, 16 of which were closed without discipline.

Chauvin had a reputation for being overly aggressive and combative, according to the nightclub owner who employed him as a security guard.

One woman who filed a complaint against him in 2007 said Chauvin and another officer pulled her out of her car with no explanation.

[SKKY]

74. Ok, see? That's new information I didn't have before...

...If they worked at the same nightclub, perhaps there was some history between the two of them that hasn't come to light?

[machoneman]

81. Agreed! When I heard they worked security at the same club, I knew they had a adversarial background

and one where Chauvin intended to kill and thought his police badge allowed him to so so scot-free.

[Evolve Dammit]

88. Yes. They knew each other and had a prior "history." Has this come up in the trial? If not, why not?

[TigressDem]

89. There was a guy who claimed Floyd was a good bouncer and Chauvin aggressive....

NOW he says that Chauvin was still aggressive, but he misspoke about Chauvin and Floyd "butting heads" at the venue.

Wonder WHY he all of the sudden thinks it was some "other black guy" that he worked with... ?

Reports I heard back at the start of the investigation said that Chauvin pulled out the pepper spray over the least offense.

So when you see people telling him to stop killing the guy whose neck his knee is pressing into.... and he grabs the pepper spray to keep people back.... it tracks.

George gave back the cigarettes he had purchased when the clerk told him the bill was counterfeit. He may have been high, but he was still more in possession of his humanity than Chauvin was.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads-changes-story/

[MVP Kamala]

4. It's obvious. He has shown zero remorse

[Bettie]

9. And that is why the other cops are testifying against him

because he refused to even fake remorse.

I don't think he has ever even suggested that he might have been wrong to do what he did.

[True Dough]

12. That might be the only aspect of this case

that I find mildly refreshing, is hearing from other cops who are willing to call out Chauvin's inexcusable conduct.

[brush]

40. Yes, it's unprecedented. Perhaps this high-profile breaking of the blue wall...

pf silence will influence other cops nationwide to not defend killer cops in their ranks.

[alphafemale]

6. Chauvin and Mr Floyd had worked security at the same club

I think George Floyd had seen something.

[Tndem615]

13. That's

What I’m thinking. I was hoping some insight would come out at trial, but I haven’t heard.

[niyad]

33. Welcome to our DU family.

[jcgoldie]

16. Or there was some sort of dispute

Ever since I heard that connection I've felt there was a personal aspect to this violence that goes even beyond all too normal white cop abusing his authority with a black victim. Racist cops unnecessarily shooting African Americans like Michael Brown in Florissant is very common... but kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed person for 3 minutes after they are dead is personal.

[dameatball]

36. I assume that relationship was scrutinized pretty heavily but, yes, it does seem odd that they

apparently did not at least know each other in some respect. If I own a club, I want my security people to be able to know who belongs, who doesn't, who they can ask for assistance, etc. Even if they worked different shifts or if the club had more than one venue it still seems weird.

[Fla Dem]

75. Yes, I think it all relates to their time working at the same club.

There had to be some interaction that bothered Chauvin and he held a grudge. This was the way he paid Floyd back.

[MoonRiver]

7. That's what I think.

He wanted to experience the 'thrill of the kill,' and he did. Maybe he has done it before, and liked the feeling.

[mzmolly]

8. Yes

he did. There is no other explanation for his actions. What's most baffling, is that he was assisted in the commission of murder by three other cops.

[burrowowl]

11. Yes, he was aided by the other 3.

[tirebiter]

15. At least one shouted to let Floyd up.

No physical interference, just the comment. He’ll also be on trial.

[Jim__]

10. I don't think he was trying kill him.

I doubt Floyd's treatment was all that unusual. The police had put Floyd on the ground and they were going to hobble him. They got the hobble, but then for some reason they didn't hobble him. The ambulance was called about 1 minute after Floyd was put on the ground, it was called to treat a mouth injury. It may be that they had decided not to hobble him until after he was treated by the ambulance.

Then he was held on the ground with Chauvin kneeling on his neck 'til the ambulance arrived. Probably not the first time he had kneeled on someone's neck. Probably not the first time someone in Chauvin's custody was put at serious risk. But it took the ambulance 8 minutes to get there. He'd probably never kneeled on someone's neck for that long.

I think Chauvin was just being his usual asshole self. He didn't even know that he couldn't kneel on someone's neck for 9 and a half minutes.

[mzmolly]

22. At one point, for what I recall was roughly five minutes,

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Chauvin lifted his foot off the ground to apply the weight of his body to Floyd's neck. If this is common practice for Chauvin, I wonder how many others have died under his restraint?

My guess is he took the Warrior Training classes vs adhered to his official training.

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/bob-kroll-minneapolis-warrior-police-training/

Chauvin is a registered Republican, who applied his toxic mentality, to his work.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-derek-chauvin-democrat/fact-check-derek-chauvin-is-not-a-registered-democrat-among-other-claims-idUSKBN23Q2MW

I don't think it was accidental.

[wnylib]

24. Nah, his facial expression and

body language tell me that he knew his actions could be fatal. He was enjoying every minute, especially seeing the bystanders get upset and beg him to stop. Then Chauvin followed up by denying treatment. He WANTED George Floyd dead. Cop against a Black man. He was sure that he would get away with it.

I think there were personal and racial motives.

[demtenjeep]

38. totally agree

he relished it

[Nutella]

58. Chauvin is a sadist

[wnylib]

59. And a killer.

[sarge43]

69. Agree. n/t

[BobTheSubgenius]

17. My read: maybe he didn't set out to kill him, but the impulse took over during his "restraint."

He surely didn't mind that Mr. Floyd died, did he?

[DanieRains]

29. Bloodlust

I have heard it called.

[BobTheSubgenius]

90. I've heard the term, but never seen such an object lesson.

[Mr.Bill]

18. What the testimony in this trial has brought into focus for me

is no way could you be kneeling on someone's neck and not feel the live leave that body. He knew Floyd was dead and he kept the knee there for a few minutes just to make sure.

[alphafemale]

25. You can't be in physical contact with a living being and not feel the moment it dies.

For some reason he not only wanted George Floyd dead, he wanted him beyond the point of revival dead.

[ShazzieB]

65. +1000

"For some reason he not only wanted George Floyd dead, he wanted him beyond the point of revival dead."

I absolutely agree.

[marieo1]

19. Total Agreement

Chauvin is one man that never should have been in law enforcement. I hope and pray he gets what he's got coming.

[world wide wally]

20. They need to look into the relationship the two men had at the club where they both worked.

[Ocelot II]

21. I don't, and here's why. Not that I think he's a good cop, or

even a decent human being, but:

He had to have known about the Minneapolis cop who was convicted of third-degree murder two years previously under circumstances that were bad enough, but not as appalling as kneeling on someone's neck for nine minutes in front of a dozen witnesses. He'd had complaints against him for excessive force in the past, and he certainly knew that if he actually killed someone he might not survive yet another IA investigation.

There's no way to know for sure what's going on in another person's head, but what I think happened was that he regarded George Floyd as just another bothersome Black druggie who didn't deserve to be treated humanely. He assumed Floyd was complaining about being unable to breathe only because he didn't want to be arrested, and when he stopped moving Chauvin assumed he'd finally succeeded in forcing him to quit struggling and objecting to being restrained. He didn't believe he'd injured or even killed Floyd until an EMT told him Floyd had no pulse - at which point he might have realized he was in deep shit and tried to act like it was all just a normal arrest of a guy who'd gone wild on account of drugs and whatever happened to Floyd wasn't his (Chauvin's) fault. I think the case falls squarely within the "depraved indifference" standard in the third-degree murder statute. Chauvin did not regard Floyd as a human being but merely as a nuisance who was making Chauvin's job more difficult. He may have also been angry that the bystanders were challenging him and demanding that he stop restraining Floyd because he couldn't breathe, and had an attitude of "I'm not going to let those (insert racist insult here) tell me how to handle this arrest, and I'm going to pin this asshole down as long as it takes to make him stop moving and complaining." Did he consciously intend to kill him? Probably not. Did he give a crap what happened to him? Also no.

[mzmolly]

23. Have you watched the nine

minute video?

Also, there was much testimony about how police are trained not to leave a person in a prone position, for a prolonged period. Floyd should have been turned on his side, after he was cuffed.

[Ocelot II]

26. Yes, several times.

But it doesn't prove his intent to actually kill Floyd. It is, however, ample evidence of depraved indifference. If the prosecutors thought they could have proved intentional, premeditated murder beyond a reasonable doubt they'd have charged that crime, but they didn't.

[mzmolly]

30. It's difficult to charge and convict cops

given the nature of their work. But, premeditation can happen in a second.

We agree that there is ample evidence of depraved indifference. What's baffling to me is the application of additional pressure to Floyd's neck when he was begging police to let up. That, and keeping him prone while applying pressure to his neck and back. I can't wrap my head around anything but first degree intentional murder.

[Ocelot II]

46. He wasn't charged with murder 1 because the prosecution didn't think

they could prove it. Better to charge 2 and 3 than risk acquittal.

[mzmolly]

62. I do agree.

It's best to be certain he's found guilty than let a questionable technicality get him off.

[llashram]

80. I opt for

racially motivated "depraved indifference"!!! This LEO knew exactly what he was doing to Mr Floyd. Chauvin is a racist pig with no conscience when it comes to POC, African-Americans specifically. He intended the harm he did to Mr Floyd. No doubts.

[ashredux]

27. No, I disagreed to appoint. First, he wanted to show who was in charge.

No, I disagreed to a point. First, he wanted to show who was in charge.

He was somewhat showing off for the rookie cops he was “training”.

He wanted to punish Floyd, and he thought he could render him unconscious without killing him when he started.

Once I think, he realized, that he had gone to far he could not back off. So he just kept going. In his mind he was calculating how he could explain the death of this black man.

He needs to spend the rest of his life in jail. He killed him. Outright killed him. That just had his

[Kahuna]

77. I agree with this. nt

[RussBLib]

28. but why? will we ever learn Chauvin's motive, assuming there is one?

other than some unbridled murderous impulse?

So many killings, who's got time for excuses/explanations/motivations? sarcasmic insertions

I think this will be yet another time we don't get to the true motivation.

If they don't convict Chauvin, well .......

[mzmolly]

31. His motive was anger.

He was pissed off and wanted to control Floyd and the 'scene' at all costs. He won. Briefly.

[FailureToCommunicate]

44. Why? Chauvin had done this yanking out and public restraint before. It was his M.O.

Too bad the judge in this trial dis-allowed this past pattern of arrest.

[uponit7771]

87. Whoa !!! Didn't know this wasn't Chauvin's first rodeo on restraint

[moondust]

32. I suspect sadism.

I obviously don't know his history but his prolonged expressionless, nonchalant appearance suggests to me that he was deriving inner pleasure from inflicting pain on the black man and couldn't stop.

[Joinfortmill]

35. Appears there was a history between the two men...

If this is true, it's more ammunition against Chauvin. https://www.ajc.com/news/did-george-floyd-and-derek-chauvin-know-each-other-worker-says-they-did/ljRJcFGDMp3H1LBBqcebKN/

[Mike Niendorff]

73. THIS.

They knew each other, were coworkers on a security gig that Chauvin did on the side.

This wasn't just two random strangers.

Chauvin knew who he was killing, and knew he was a fellow security officer.


MDN

[Akbar]

39. Chauvin's Intent Stood Out to Me

The day the video came out on. YouTube, I watched it and did not see any clue that Chauvin wanted any outcome that involved Floyd leaving the scene alive. Chauvin was enjoying executing Floyd. You could see it on his face.

[40RatRod]

41. Once he is found guilty...

...please put him in with the general prison population. Bet his pucker string will draw up.

[Cozmo]

43. I think Chauvin is a coward with no sense of decency

He got caught up in his own failings as a human being and rather admit to himself and others that he needed to stop and render assistance he preferred George Floyd's death. I hate this man more than poison, I fear he will not be punished enough. I also question the motives of the presiding judge.

[Ocelot II]

47. Seriously?

[gopiscrap]

51. yes seriously

please don't be a cop apologist

[Ocelot II]

53. It's not being a "cop apologist" to disagree with the statement

that all cops are like Chauvin because they aren't. There are far too many bad cops but we are also seeing good cops in this trial, like Medaria Arradondo. I live in Minneapolis. There are some good cops here.

[sarisataka]

60. .

[Nutella]

61. Chauvin is especially depraved

I don't like the justice system at all, but not all police fall to his level.

[barbtries]

48. yep.

thought that all along. all these people were telling him he can't breathe, you're killing him and he just kept doing it. imo he should have pled guilty to murder, it's definitely murder.

if he wasn't a cop and the same story played out, that person would already be on the road to life in prison. i've been watching the trial on youtube and the people chatting, a lot of them maintain that chauvin is innocent. I mean seriously. just because he's a cop, and George Floyd was large, black, and claustrophobic, it makes it okay that he murdered him?!

I mean fuck. it's murder.

[Mad_Machine76]

49. I don't know if he went into the situation intending to kill him per se

but he didn't seem to care if he did. And he certainly didn't fear any legal consequences if he did based on what have publicly seen over and over again in recent history. I sincerely hope that he is proven wrong and that we- as a society- have finally had enough with cops being allowed to discriminately use extreme tactics and violence against POC in situations that in no way, shape, or form required the use of violence, let alone the death of the suspect.

[Stuart G]

82. 7 Key Words: "..he certainly didn't fear any legal consequences....He was very sure of that...

......there would be ...."No Fall Out, No Pay Back, No Consequences...None At All.."

That is what this awful event is about...(In my mind)....If this cop were sure that there would be
any consequences....(like this trial)...he would have not killed him....He would have let him live
and be taken to the hospital...But once he got started, I believe that he wanted to kill him, and
he was sure that he could get away with it....(that is my belief...as well..as a whole lot of others too)

[Mad_Machine76]

86. +1

[Quixote1818]

50. This has crossed my mind. There are times he looks to be digging his knee in harder

like he is enjoying it.

[Stuart G]

83. I agree, (although I have not seen the video).He "enjoyed it." & he was going to get away with it

[George II]

52. I haven't watched much of the trial, did they mention that George Floyd and Derek Chauvin worked....

...as bouncers at the same nightclub? Apparently they didn't like each other, so did Chauvin have a "motive"?

[orleans]

54. whatever happened about that club they both worked at?

i keep waiting for that to be brought up as some sort of revenge motive

[Ocelot II]

56. It burned down. If the prosecution is planning to introduce evidence

of Chauvin's state of mind, I assume they'll call witnesses who can testify that Chauvin and Floyd knew each other and didn't get along. If they don't, we can probably infer that they think the facts speak for themselves so they don't have to prove he had a particular motive for treating Floyd the way he did.

[triron]

57. He should receive maximum sentence.

[BadGimp]

63. My unproven theory is...

It has to do with the counterfeit money ring that George Floyd and some of the local cops were involved in.

I have NO evidence, no proof. I'm just speculating.

This was a hit imo.

[Ocelot II]

64. LOL

[Raine]

67. Premeditated murder IMO! nt

[Dreampuff]

70. Since they had worked at the same nightclub, it's very possible they knew each other

And Chauvin had it in for him. Even that employer said that Chauvin always called for backup and was nastier when black people were involved in causing trouble there.

The prosecution team has a very impressive group of experts and Witnesses. But why are we wasting our time and spending taxpayer dollars on this? If they believe the defense, who says his death was caused by underlying health conditions along with drugs, Chauvin should be more than willing to lie in that same spot and have someone with the same body weight on top of him for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. Reenact the whole thing with digging his knee deeper into his neck, having others sit on his back and legs, Etc. Be sure he is handcuffed. If his attorney or the other 12 attorneys in the background who are being paid by a police organization truly feel that he is not guilty, they can lie right next to him under those same conditions.

If they all survive, then Chauvin is not guilty. If they don't survive, Justice is served.

[Luciferous]

72. I keep coming back to the fact that they knew each other. I think he had it out

for George Floyd for some reason.

[Kahuna]

76. My take is maybe that he didn't like the black bystanders telling him what to do..

so he doubled down to show them who's boss. It may have just been a matter of pride. If so, pride really does go before the fall. Idiot.

[Texin]

78. That's what it looked like to me.

It's always seemed that way because the video evidence was so shockingly obvious. His nonchalance was eerie. Tobin's testimony yesterday was so utterly damning that should be the end of the matter. Of course, now we probably get to be fed the so-called defense's presentation for the next week.

[Martin68]

79. I beg to differ. I believe Chauvin wanted to inflict pain, humiliation, and a demonstration of his

authority and power on Floyd. That not only does not excuse his action, it makes it worse.

[Snackshack]

84. I don't know that for fact...

...that he wanted to kill Mr. Floyd just off what I have read on the internet and seen broadcast. I don’t believe he went into that situation wanting to kill Mr. Floyd. I do believe he wanted to cause as much pain/discomfort and exercise “dominance” over Mr. Floyd while he had the cover of “making an arrest” and tragically Mr. Floyd died.

I hope Mr. Chauvin is found guilty of the 2nd degree unintentional felony murder and sentenced to the full 40yrs in prison (he should have been charged with 2nd degree murder IMO) not the 2 lesser charges of 3rd degree “depraved mind” murder and the 2nd degree manslaughter. My guess is it will unfortunately be the 2nd degree manslaughter with a prison term of 5-7yrs.

[RobinA]

85. I Disagree

While he certainly didn't do much to make sure Floyd wasn't injured, I very much doubt that he set out to kill him. I'm more likely to go with testosterone poisoning, rage, lack of self-control, and pure lack of understanding of how damn easy it can be to kill someone under certain circumstances.