I saw Senator Manchin on CNN today

[left-of-center2012]

He said Democrats are overreaching on the gun issue and voters rights.

He said President Biden needs to sit down with the Republicans and negotiate deals that the Republicans will support.

He said he has always worked well with the Republicans and that President Biden needs to do the same. Meet the GOP halfway.

I asked myself, when did the Republican ever
meet us halfway and negotiate with us?



Then I said "Screw the GOP !"

[vercetti2021]

1. Hes gonna kill America

I got a post hidden because I called him an A-Hole. I still stand by what I said. For bashing a democratic figure. Well maybe he should act like one and we wouldn't bash him acting like a conservative.

But this grandstanding hes doing is going to kill our democracy. I just wish we had won one or two more Senate seats and this guy would be completely irrelevant.

Too far on voting rights. Okay how far is far then Joe?

[TigressDem]

7. He's a DINO - DEM in Name ONLY

WHY doesn't he get the GOP to meet US half way?

JUST get laws to screen enough that people who will injure themselves or others due to mental illness can't get a gun.

If someone has a hate manifesto out there and is willing to go out and kill people, they should not have guns or access to guns.

Maybe like car insurance. Everyone pays in and if you have some sort of incident, shot at a squirrel and got your neighbor's window instead, you have to file a claim. Got drunk fired in the air and it came down on someone's car and damaged it, second claim.


AND OUTLAW GUNS at PEACEFUL PROTESTS.

Take a gun to a peaceful protest, like a DUI, your permit to carry is yanked for a year and you have to go to therapy, treatment, deprogramming, whatever gets the head out of the ass.


ANY TRUE DEM WANTS EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR VOTE COUNTED. THAT IS WHY IT'S CALLED DEMOCRACY Hello?

[dalton99a]

16. +1

[TomCADem]

2. Yet, At The End of the Day, Manchin Will Vote for Infrastructure Bill

Manchin comes from a coal mining, red state, so anyone expecting him to be the second coming of AOC is idiotic. So, I am glad that we have Manchin, rather than a Republican holding the WV Senate seat.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. Who the FUCK here expects him to be the 2nd coming of AOC?

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Is this the new strawman here? You're either Atilla The Hun or you're a radical socialist?

[ShazzieB]

20. Yeah, there's a lot of room between

the second coming of AOC and a DINO who doesn't want to cooperate with his own party.


I'm sure that nobody here expects Manchin to suddenly move to the far left. We'd just like him to start working with his fellow Dems in the Senate, instead of sitting back in his DINO seat reveling in all the attention he's getting. It's kind of sickening. 😬

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. Fuck. That. Guy.

[Lunabell]

4. What a jerk.

You don't negotiate with terrorists!!

[Crunchy Frog]

14. And that's exactly what he wants to do.

He links his stance directly to the attack on the Capitol. That's the definition of giving in to terrorists.

[Hoyt]

5. Yeah, but better than having MAJORITY Leader McConnell and GOPer Committee Chairs.

[JohnSJ]

11. Thank-you. Some seem to forget the reality of the situation

[Crunchy Frog]

15. Which we will have after 2022 if Manchin gets his way.

So enjoy the next year and a half whileyoucan, because it won't last long.

[andym]

6. President Obama tried to negotiate with Republicans and meet them half way

But, the Republicans did not negotiate in good faith with him-- it was like Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the football. I think Joe Manchin is sincere, but not realistic. Perhaps, Joe Biden should try to negotiate with the GOP, show Manchin that there is no compromise possible and then perhaps Manchin will support a Democratic-only package.

[AZProgressive]

8. It was really bad when Paul Ryan was the Speaker of the House

He wanted to cut everything so I didn't like it when Obama tried to meet him halfway. Things are better now though I wish Manchin would support 1 or 2 of the major policies so Democrats outside of West Virginia have accomplishments to campaign on.

[andym]

18. West Virginia is such a poor state

that they would truly benefit from the Democratic program. Maybe ex-Senator Jay Rockefeller, who supported the public option in the ACA years ago among other progressive legislation, could try to convince Manchin that his approach is just not going to work.

[Nexus2]

26. Lucy and the football is the comparison that constantly comes to my mind as well.

And more than Mancin appear to be plagued by the urge, a fair bit of the party over all does as well. Its almost become an expectation of the general public, a double standard as it feels like the GOP rarely pays a political price for its obstructionism and straight up double dealing and bad faith.

[speak easy]

9. Biden said something similar about working with Republicans

before inauguration. Some he said, to widespread ridicule here, may have an epiphany and leave Trump-ism behind. This paid off during the confirmation hearing.

So, are we gong to hang on Manchin's every word? What matters is not what he says, but how he votes. Manchin like Biden is not naive. Saying you want to meet and negotiate with Republicans, knowing full well, not a single one will vote for this bill is good politics. The infrastructure proposals are popular, and like the American Rescue Plan, and GOPer are being given the opportunity to change themselves.

I make no apology for deprecating the attention being given to Manchin. He is showboating - and loves the limelight. Personally, I am well to the left - I supported Warren in the primaries - and strongly support the policies she presented. I know two fundamental reforms - the anticorruption/lobbyist legislation and the wealth tax are not going to happen under the Biden Administration. And I don't have to examine the entrails of Joe Manchin for know that.

IMO Manchin the the Democratic version of Susan Collins - lots of concern about working across the aisle - and like Collins, what matter is not what he says , but how he votes.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. I've seen little blurbs. I refuse to watch the actual interview.

I gather that he thinks that basic voting rights is a "fringe" issue. And that the Trumpist attack on the Congress means that the Dems need to surrender to them and allow them to seize dictatorial power.

As far as the infrastructure bill, I think the Dems should inundate WV with townhalls using our best communicators to bypass him, and build pressure from his constituents.

Might not work, but there's nothing to lose.

If we lose the Senate in 2022 because of him, I'll donate lots of money to any primary challenger.

[moondust]

12. Just saw it on CNN.

He's not crazy and he means well but...he doesn't seem to fully grasp how power hungry, self-serving, obstructionist, radical, and uncompromising the GQP has become over the past 40 years. Maybe that's easier to see from a distance than it is up close where he is.

The reporter who did the interview ended her discussion with Anderson Cooper by nailing the simple truth: Manchin will never get the TEN Republicans necessary to pass anything with 60 votes.

[dalton99a]

17. Voter suppression in other states doesn't concern him.

[Blue Owl]

19. What a great idea -- compromising with the devil

[DFW]

21. Though I get where he's coming from (i.e. West Virginia)

Does he truly think that after the most radical right Republican administration there has ever been (and after Cheney, that is saying something), a Democratic President in full damage control mode "needs to negotiate deal that the Republicans will support?"

How about remembering that Joe Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump, and that the voters might be expecting him to negotiate deals that the DEMOCRATS will support? As a Democrat, I would have thought that Joe Manchin might have thought of that one himself.

[Celerity]

22. A disastrous series of stances and endeavours he is choosing to embark upon at this moment in time

Let us all hope he veers away sharply from his current course.

[Mike Nelson]

23. Well...

... he's not speaking to DU. He's speaking to WV voters, and people like them throughout the country. To them, he seems like "a sane Democrat." He voted to remove Trump and he voted for the COVID bill. Let's see how he votes... I think the country will see him as a "negotiator" and approve of the Infrastructure bill.

[Scrivener7]

24. Senator Manchin should be put in charge of that effort, round up his Republican buddies,

get their compromises and bring them to the table.

When he finds that there will be no compromises, maybe he will shut up about this nonsense.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. He might be insane but the rest of us aren't.

[Efilroft Sul]

25. Anyone who says protecting the right to vote is an overreach needs his teeth kicked in.

[Bettie]

27. In all of his talking about "negotiation" and "bipartisanship"

he has never once suggested that Republicans should meet Democrats halfway. His assumption is always that our side will give until the other side decides that it is enough.

For a "good Democrat" his only idea seems to be that Democrats should capitulate to whatever Moscow Mitch and his guys demand and then give more....and then we should give a little more in hopes of getting even one of them to vote for anything.

So, are we supposed to feel grateful that he isn't just going to ALEC and having them write the bill?

[Johonny]

28. The fantasy ravings of a lunatic