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mcar

(42,464 posts)
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:32 PM Apr 2021

20 current Republican Senate seats are up for re-election in 2022

Sure, Manchin deserves some criticism for his theatrics.

But there are quite a few OPs about him on GD and not one about 2022 Senate races.

Want to make Manchin less important? Work to flip some of those 20 seats so we have a larger majority in the Senate.

My .02 cents.

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20 current Republican Senate seats are up for re-election in 2022 (Original Post) mcar Apr 2021 OP
Agreed. And then work to oust Manchin the next time he's up for re-election. Vinca Apr 2021 #1
We should take 2-3 unless prevailing winds dictate otherwise. WarGamer Apr 2021 #2
That seems reasonable mcar Apr 2021 #3
That one's probably off the menu. WarGamer Apr 2021 #4
Without HR1, prevailing winds *will* dictate otherwise Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #7
Work on alternatives now. WarGamer Apr 2021 #11
Even if state legislatures can overturn results? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #13
How are you going to "punish" Joe Manchin? lol... WarGamer Apr 2021 #22
Unless he plans to end his career in 2024, he won't switch parties Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #25
Joe's not running in '24... WarGamer Apr 2021 #26
You are correct moose65 Apr 2021 #5
If Sununu runs she's toast Polybius Apr 2021 #14
Really? moose65 Apr 2021 #18
He's immensely popular in NH Polybius Apr 2021 #21
I really, really, really want to see Ron Johnson gone Poiuyt Apr 2021 #16
Unless Manchin agrees to modify the filibuster to pass HR1, Dems lose their majorities in 2022 Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #6
Exactly! And not only is Manchin threatening us with voter suppression... Silent3 Apr 2021 #8
Must be nice to have a crystal ball moose65 Apr 2021 #19
Numerous top Dems have made this statement Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #20
Most of them are safe ibegurpard Apr 2021 #9
I've read that 2-4 are flippable mcar Apr 2021 #10
Per CNN via some Twitter folks mcar Apr 2021 #12
Is Kelly endangered? Mad_Machine76 Apr 2021 #23
The House is what I'm worried about Polybius Apr 2021 #15
Without JustAnotherGen Apr 2021 #17
agree.. full.stop. n/t msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #24

WarGamer

(12,506 posts)
4. That one's probably off the menu.
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:41 PM
Apr 2021

Especially now that he's kissed the "ring" and has Trumpist blessing.

It all depends on news stories we can't imagine now PLUS the economy in 2022.

It's a given that the economy will roar throughout 2021 but I'm worried about a recession in 22.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
7. Without HR1, prevailing winds *will* dictate otherwise
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:57 PM
Apr 2021

Without HR1, Warnock loses his seat for sure.

Without HR1, other states will pass laws like GA allowing state legislatures to overturn election results they don’t like, especially in states where we have chance of picking up seats, like WI.

Waiting until 2022 will be too late.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
13. Even if state legislatures can overturn results?
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 08:52 PM
Apr 2021

Doesnt matter if we have 100% turnout if GOP can throw out votes or simply ignore results.

Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Klobuchar and many others have all said if HR1 doesn’t pass, Dems *will* lose their majorities.

The time to fight is now, not November 2022- it will be too late.

That’s why Manchin and Sinema must be pressured, and if needed, punished.

WarGamer

(12,506 posts)
22. How are you going to "punish" Joe Manchin? lol...
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 05:00 PM
Apr 2021

Piss him off and McConnell is Leader.

Manchin would be a hero with 70% of his constituency if he flipped.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
25. Unless he plans to end his career in 2024, he won't switch parties
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 07:19 PM
Apr 2021

He only won re-election by 3% in 2018. He can be punished by stripping him of committee assignments, including his chairmanship, and by witholding DNC funding for his re-election.

moose65

(3,169 posts)
5. You are correct
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:48 PM
Apr 2021

Manchin will be a thorn in our sides until 2022. What Dems need to do is to concentrate on the Senate races that we can win, and not piss away tons of money like we did in 2020 by foolishly thinking that Amy McGrath had a chance in hell. I know the idea of ousting McConnell sounds good, but we should have concentrated on states where candidates were begging us for money, like Montana.

We've got to protect Warnock in Georgia and Kelly in Arizona. Maggie Hassan in NH might have a fight on her hands, but last year NH proved that they like Democrats in DC. I don't think Masto in Nevada has anything to worry about.

I really don't see us losing any other Dem seats. We need to do everything we can to elect a Dem in Pennsylvania, NC, and Wisconsin to take our number to 53 and perhaps tell Manchin to pound sand.

Where else do we have a chance? Ohio? Florida? If the Repubs in Alaska take out Murkowski in a primary (again) can we convince her to finally give it up and caucus with the Dems??

moose65

(3,169 posts)
18. Really?
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 07:52 AM
Apr 2021

Do you live in NH? The people there seem schizophrenic to me - voting for Biden and electing all Dems to send to DC, but then turning their state government over to Republicans.

Polybius

(15,520 posts)
21. He's immensely popular in NH
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 11:56 AM
Apr 2021

If he decides to run, it will be trouble. But like I said, he might not.

Poiuyt

(18,133 posts)
16. I really, really, really want to see Ron Johnson gone
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 11:26 PM
Apr 2021

And Wisconsin has been trending more Democratic the last couple of elections.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
6. Unless Manchin agrees to modify the filibuster to pass HR1, Dems lose their majorities in 2022
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:52 PM
Apr 2021

Waiting until 2022 to “make Manchin irrelevant” is a naive fantasy.

Dems have until this fall to pass HR1 to put a stop to state level voter suppression laws and gerrymandering. After that, it will be too late.

Without HR1, Dems lose the house in 2022 through gerrymandering alone before a single vote is cast. Without HR1, the GOP state legislatures will install their candidate as president in 2024, regardless of the will of the voters.

Most of the top Dems already know this.

Schumer knows it
Pelosi knows it
Klobuchar knows it
Schiff knows it
Obama knows it.

And Warnock sure as hell knows it, because without HR1, his seat is flipping back to the GOP in 2022.

So, the only feasible strategy is bringing maximum pressure, and if necessary, consequences, to bear on Manchin and Sinema to modify the filibuster and pass HR1.

My suggestion? Schumer should announce that he is putting Manchin and Sinema in charge of bipartisan outreach. They have until the end of July to find 10 Republicans in the senate who will support some form of legitimate voting rights legislation. If they fail, then Schumer will use the nuclear option to seek modification of the filibuster rules. If they oppose, then, when the August recess comes, Manchin and Sinema will return to their home states to face thousands of vaccinated constituents in the streets (Rev. Barber is already working on this), along with billboard and media ads calling them out for supporting Jim Crow 2.0.

Once HR1 is passed, then we can focus on flipping senate seats.

Silent3

(15,429 posts)
8. Exactly! And not only is Manchin threatening us with voter suppression...
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:59 PM
Apr 2021

...but also the loss of confidence in Democrats that will be caused by us failing to pass all of the important legislation we need to pass between now and the next election to make voters happier to vote for Democrats.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
20. Numerous top Dems have made this statement
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 10:26 AM
Apr 2021

Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Klobuchar, and many more, along with other leading progressives.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
9. Most of them are safe
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 05:06 PM
Apr 2021

People have good reason to be frustrated with Manchin. However they do need to realize that if we lost him with the current balance of power Democrats would lose control of the Senate committees and agenda-setting. It's not just about the votes on specfic policy issues.

mcar

(42,464 posts)
12. Per CNN via some Twitter folks
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 08:28 PM
Apr 2021

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@WonderKing82
·
Apr 9, 2021
We have vulnerable Republican seats up in 2022 but we're focused on Joe Manchin who we can't touch until 2025! I mean we have to start thinking logically instead of emotionally. 50 Republicans said fuck America yet we're hammering Manchin, rightfully so but damn sing a new song

raymond
@raymond_goodman
Getting specific on @WonderKing82's solid point, Dems need to hold onto a few and win a few more, here's 10 seats that can and will swing the balance of power

JustAnotherGen

(32,022 posts)
17. Without
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 03:54 AM
Apr 2021

The ability to vote - 2022 doesn't matter.

That's why Manchin is sucking the air out of the room.

He's literally saying that black Americans voting rights take a back seat to the feelings of magats.

The only thing that will make 45's minions (the entire GOP) happy is making it illegal for black Americans to vote.

I say we go after Romney, Lisa Murkowski, and Pat Toomey. What would make them vote for HR1 and HR4?

The laws have to be enacted now, for AG Garland to go after them in time for 2022.

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