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Sure, Manchin deserves some criticism for his theatrics.
But there are quite a few OPs about him on GD and not one about 2022 Senate races.
Want to make Manchin less important? Work to flip some of those 20 seats so we have a larger majority in the Senate.
My .02 cents.
Vinca
(50,326 posts)WarGamer
(12,506 posts)mcar
(42,464 posts)I'd give a lot to flip Rubio's seat here in FL, too.
WarGamer
(12,506 posts)Especially now that he's kissed the "ring" and has Trumpist blessing.
It all depends on news stories we can't imagine now PLUS the economy in 2022.
It's a given that the economy will roar throughout 2021 but I'm worried about a recession in 22.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)Without HR1, Warnock loses his seat for sure.
Without HR1, other states will pass laws like GA allowing state legislatures to overturn election results they dont like, especially in states where we have chance of picking up seats, like WI.
Waiting until 2022 will be too late.
WarGamer
(12,506 posts)HR1 is dead Bill walking.
MOBILIZE and GOTV. We can still do it.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)Doesnt matter if we have 100% turnout if GOP can throw out votes or simply ignore results.
Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Klobuchar and many others have all said if HR1 doesnt pass, Dems *will* lose their majorities.
The time to fight is now, not November 2022- it will be too late.
Thats why Manchin and Sinema must be pressured, and if needed, punished.
WarGamer
(12,506 posts)Piss him off and McConnell is Leader.
Manchin would be a hero with 70% of his constituency if he flipped.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)He only won re-election by 3% in 2018. He can be punished by stripping him of committee assignments, including his chairmanship, and by witholding DNC funding for his re-election.
WarGamer
(12,506 posts)And if he were, you don't think he can run as a Repub?
moose65
(3,169 posts)Manchin will be a thorn in our sides until 2022. What Dems need to do is to concentrate on the Senate races that we can win, and not piss away tons of money like we did in 2020 by foolishly thinking that Amy McGrath had a chance in hell. I know the idea of ousting McConnell sounds good, but we should have concentrated on states where candidates were begging us for money, like Montana.
We've got to protect Warnock in Georgia and Kelly in Arizona. Maggie Hassan in NH might have a fight on her hands, but last year NH proved that they like Democrats in DC. I don't think Masto in Nevada has anything to worry about.
I really don't see us losing any other Dem seats. We need to do everything we can to elect a Dem in Pennsylvania, NC, and Wisconsin to take our number to 53 and perhaps tell Manchin to pound sand.
Where else do we have a chance? Ohio? Florida? If the Repubs in Alaska take out Murkowski in a primary (again) can we convince her to finally give it up and caucus with the Dems??
Polybius
(15,520 posts)He might not run, however.
Do you live in NH? The people there seem schizophrenic to me - voting for Biden and electing all Dems to send to DC, but then turning their state government over to Republicans.
Polybius
(15,520 posts)If he decides to run, it will be trouble. But like I said, he might not.
Poiuyt
(18,133 posts)And Wisconsin has been trending more Democratic the last couple of elections.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)Waiting until 2022 to make Manchin irrelevant is a naive fantasy.
Dems have until this fall to pass HR1 to put a stop to state level voter suppression laws and gerrymandering. After that, it will be too late.
Without HR1, Dems lose the house in 2022 through gerrymandering alone before a single vote is cast. Without HR1, the GOP state legislatures will install their candidate as president in 2024, regardless of the will of the voters.
Most of the top Dems already know this.
Schumer knows it
Pelosi knows it
Klobuchar knows it
Schiff knows it
Obama knows it.
And Warnock sure as hell knows it, because without HR1, his seat is flipping back to the GOP in 2022.
So, the only feasible strategy is bringing maximum pressure, and if necessary, consequences, to bear on Manchin and Sinema to modify the filibuster and pass HR1.
My suggestion? Schumer should announce that he is putting Manchin and Sinema in charge of bipartisan outreach. They have until the end of July to find 10 Republicans in the senate who will support some form of legitimate voting rights legislation. If they fail, then Schumer will use the nuclear option to seek modification of the filibuster rules. If they oppose, then, when the August recess comes, Manchin and Sinema will return to their home states to face thousands of vaccinated constituents in the streets (Rev. Barber is already working on this), along with billboard and media ads calling them out for supporting Jim Crow 2.0.
Once HR1 is passed, then we can focus on flipping senate seats.
Silent3
(15,429 posts)...but also the loss of confidence in Democrats that will be caused by us failing to pass all of the important legislation we need to pass between now and the next election to make voters happier to vote for Democrats.
moose65
(3,169 posts)What was your prediction for 2020??
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Klobuchar, and many more, along with other leading progressives.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)People have good reason to be frustrated with Manchin. However they do need to realize that if we lost him with the current balance of power Democrats would lose control of the Senate committees and agenda-setting. It's not just about the votes on specfic policy issues.
mcar
(42,464 posts)A few Rs are retiring so that helps.
mcar
(42,464 posts)Link to tweet
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@WonderKing82
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Apr 9, 2021
We have vulnerable Republican seats up in 2022 but we're focused on Joe Manchin who we can't touch until 2025! I mean we have to start thinking logically instead of emotionally. 50 Republicans said fuck America yet we're hammering Manchin, rightfully so but damn sing a new song
raymond
@raymond_goodman
Getting specific on @WonderKing82's solid point, Dems need to hold onto a few and win a few more, here's 10 seats that can and will swing the balance of power
Mad_Machine76
(24,452 posts)Polybius
(15,520 posts)I think we pick up 2 or 3 Senate seats, but lose the House.
JustAnotherGen
(32,022 posts)The ability to vote - 2022 doesn't matter.
That's why Manchin is sucking the air out of the room.
He's literally saying that black Americans voting rights take a back seat to the feelings of magats.
The only thing that will make 45's minions (the entire GOP) happy is making it illegal for black Americans to vote.
I say we go after Romney, Lisa Murkowski, and Pat Toomey. What would make them vote for HR1 and HR4?
The laws have to be enacted now, for AG Garland to go after them in time for 2022.