Texas GOP Chair Falsely Claims State Can Secede

[applegrove]

Texas GOP Chair Falsely Claims State Can Secede

April 9, 2021 at 5:11 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 44 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/04/09/texas-gop-chair-falsely-claims-state-can-secede/

"SNIP.....

“Texas Republican Party chairman Allen West falsely suggested that Texas could secede from the United States and become an independent country,” CNN reports.

Said West: “This is something that was written into the Texas Constitution. Or it was promised to Texas when we became part of the United States of America — that if we voted and decided, we could go back to being our own republic.”

“Experts, however, say that Texas cannot legally secede and leave the United States to become its own republic. The annexation resolution West is referring to stipulates that Texas could, in the future, choose to divide itself into five new states, not divide itself from the US and declare independence.”

......SNIP"

[applegrove]

1. A ploy Alberta recently uses to get concessions from Ottawa and Canadians. N/T

[elleng]

2. 'divide itself into five new states!!!'

[soothsayer]

8. They haven't thought of subdivisions as a way to try to reclaim the majority

East Texas, West Texas, North Texas, South Texas, and Texas?

[Silent3]

29. The last thing we need are eight more Senators from Texas

And you can be damn sure they'd break things up so that no new state, or at most one new state, had a Democratic majority.

[Mariana]

35. That's yet another fiction that many Texans fervently believe.

It's crap, the Texas Constitution says no such thing.

[pwb]

3. Maybe the rest should expel Texas.

For being a dick.

[bottomofthehill]

4. Fuck it. Let them go.

[blueinredohio]

25. Amen!

[LakeArenal]

5. The the State that cries secession. Every time.

Please start by giving all stimulus back. Especially the corporations that donate to you.

[11 Bravo]

6. Any Native American can tell West exactly how much a 19th century promise ...

from the US government was worth.

[Mariana]

19. There is no such language in the Texas Constitution.

Allen West clearly has never read it.

https://tlc.texas.gov/docs/legref/TxConst.pdf

[Aristus]

7. In the name of God, GO!

I have done with you!...

*Claps dust off hands*

[Thomas Hurt]

9. Just what we need, four more states overrun with christofascists.

[Captain Zero]

41. and 8 more republican senators

nt

[lapfog_1]

10. I'd be ok with it

and while they are at it... take the rest of the south with them, I'd miss New Orleans...

Texas and the rest of the states below the mason-dixon line and east of texas...
only they have to give us back all of their military assets... and allow for a "house/job" swap for any people that want to leave the "new south"

[MissMillie]

15. Think of all the extra money the smaller U.S. would have!

Those red Southern states take more than they pay in... they're nothing but a drain.


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All you Southerners who want out? Come on up!

(Being silly here)

[Goodheart]

26. New Orleans is, indeed, the greatest thing about the South.

[PortTack]

11. They are such losers! They learned nothing during the latest disaster. I wish they would.

The constitution makes it clear states cannot secede, and no there’s no SPECIAL clause for Texas.

What a win it would be for us! The qgop would lose 2 worthless senators, 39 even more worthless congress critters, and they would be hard strapped to EVER win another national election.

[Paladin]

12. Secession sentiment never gets anywhere close to a majority of Texas residents.

And Allen West is a fucking moron.

[Comfortably_Numb]

13. This shit is so tired. Texas came in in 1850, took $10 million and agreed to the current

border configuration. They cashed the check...fuck this “good ol days” bullshit.

[jaxexpat]

14. Except for that 1861-65 misunderstanding that's all very true.

[Comfortably_Numb]

21. There is no mechanism for secession in the Constitution, proclaimed

Lincoln, so they were traitors. Just like now. They would be seditionist/ insurrectionists —-again, period.

[roamer65]

38. Lincoln was right that there is no mechanism in the Constitution for it.

BUT, since there is no mechanism for it, then under the 10th amendment it is a power reserved by states and the people.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amendment-x

This is big, fat hole that any secession truck can be driven right through. It would now definitely result in a case before the SCOTUS if a state voted via referendum for secession.

How SCOTUS would rule would be anyone’s guess, but if I were a justice I would have to rule in the secessionist favor in all honesty.

There needs to be an amendment either prohibiting or defining the process, like the EU’s Article 50 of their Lisbon Treaty.

[Comfortably_Numb]

40. In this environment of political right wing nut jobs, I guess it's time to have this

discussion. With regard to the justice beer goggles, the handmaiden, and ginny’s husband, there is also no Constitutional provision for “judicial review” by the Supreme court. While Chief Justice Marshall used Marbury v Madison to set the precedent, it is not actually in the Constitution. Lincoln ignored Taney’s ruling on the writ of Habeus corpus for virtually the duration of the war, and Congress went along. So I conclude there are many holes “big enough to drive a truck through” in that frail document. I’m not sure sure where that leaves the issue of secession but the prospect of rwnjs convening a convention to rewrite it is a terrifying thought.

[Mariana]

17. It's bullshit anyway.

The Texas Constitution doesn't say that.

https://tlc.texas.gov/docs/legref/TxConst.pdf

[Comfortably_Numb]

22. Since when does a little ol thang like a Constitution matter to these maroons????

[WarGamer]

28. What most people don't understand...

SCOTUS has NEVER ruled directly on secession.

Texas v White is the closest they came... but obliquely.

If Barf, GoodHair, Handmaiden, Sleepy, Scalito and JR say it's OK... it's OK.

[Mariana]

30. West said it's in the Texas Constitution. He's lying. It isn't there. nt.

[WarGamer]

31. yeah, it's not. And he's a moron.

[Mariana]

16. He's lying.

There's nothing that says that anywhere in the Texas Constitution.

https://tlc.texas.gov/docs/legref/TxConst.pdf

[hurl]

18. Don't write us off yet!

Yeah, we definitely have majority awful for the time being and maybe the next few cycles... But there is hope! Demographics are inevitable in the long run.

Sure, it's an uphill climb, but when we succeed, any GOP hopes for the Presidency will evaporate, leaving nothing more than a disgusting residue.

[TwilightZone]

24. Biden got 46% in Texas.

The never-ending insistence on DU that it's overwhelmingly red grew tiresome long ago.

[Paladin]

32. Now, now. Must not deny the Texas Haters their sport. (nt)

[Gore1FL]

20. Here's someone else they should reactivate and court martial for sedition. nt

[TwilightZone]

23. He's not the only one who doesn't understand it.

Half of DU seemingly thinks Texas can secede. The same half thinks it's 100% Republican.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. Allan West is an idiot

Link to tweet

[Liberal In Texas]

36. +1

He's just another deluded cult member.
West isn't even from Texas.

[Turbineguy]

33. Sure! And it'll work!

Texas still gets to keep NASA and the military bases with U.S soldiers.

Oh, and the subsidies from the Federal government. The Army Corps of Engineers will keep the Houston Ship Channel dredged.

[Skittles]

34. Texas wants to secede but cannot handle single-degree weather

alrighty then

[roamer65]

39. It is an outright lie that it's in the TX constitution.

BUT...the US Constitution lacks ANY language pertaining to the matter of states seceding from the Union.

Unless it is a power granted to the federal government, or prohibited to the states via the Constitution, it is a power reserved by the states and the people. This is specifically stated in the 10th amendment.

IF any secession referendum were to pass, it would be an instant made SCOTUS case. If I were a justice, I would have to side with the secessionists via the language of the 10th amendment.