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JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 12:23 PM Apr 2021

Unions built the middle class and employers built the slums.

I've noticed a new trend of people complaining that no one wants to work anymore. The claim cites laziness and undeserved extended unemployment benefits, ignoring the fact that a year ago when the pandemic struck, millions of workers declared non-essential were cast off as bars, theaters, restaurants, and retail stores closed or went to a skeleton crew.

During that year of pandemic recession, billionaires bought yachts that had internal docks for multi million dollar speedboats, bought million dollar Lamborghinis, and paid to have themselves shot into space for vacation. Locally, Denise DeBartolo-York, at $3.5bil, barely eked out a spot in the top 1000 on the Forbes list, despite increasing her fortunes from the year before. She slipped from 250 to 850th.

These people who complain about how no one wants to work anymore also scoff at a $15 minimum wage and wonder why no one is lined up for those Dollar General jobs. But if businesses can't put enough money on the table to lure hourly workers from govt benefits, they'll have to up their game and offer 21st century wages, a salary that allows one to live indoors and eat every day. Call it a sign of a strengthening economy, but we will likely see that $15 minimum without an act of Congress. It's a simple matter of supply & demand.

It's what conservatives long touted as "The Invisible Hand Of The Free Market", which according to them, requires no input to work, yet now they complain and ask the govt to help by putting the squeeze on the poor. Employers are finding they get the workers they pay for, and current minimum wage nets the untrainable, incompetent, and dishonest. There are people you don't want making your Big Mac.

The good times may finally be ending for space tourists, global playboys, and the tax sheltered alike. History may one day recall this era as The New Roaring 20s.

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Diamond_Dog

(31,987 posts)
1. I saw that on the local news last night too, Johnny
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 12:32 PM
Apr 2021

And my first thought, as well, was “Who would clamor to work for $8 an hour (or less ... if you are expected to make it up with tips) in a crowded restaurant during a pandemic?”

What are the healthcare benefits, if any? Do you get any sick days or vacation days? Those employers complaining that they can’t find people to work in these low paid jobs need to start thinking about this.

samplegirl

(11,476 posts)
11. I think most restaraunt workers
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 10:27 PM
Apr 2021

have had a year of utter stress and panic over their jobs and have most likely had a wake up call to how little security they really have.
Most likely looking for a job change.

KPN

(15,643 posts)
2. The invisible hand of the free-market includes the
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 12:42 PM
Apr 2021

undermining of collective bargaining via laws that make it difficult for labor to organize. Conservative ideology speaks with a forked tongue.

How do they get away with it? One key is providing non-essential consumer goods at low prices which makes it possible for the relative poor to have, for example, flat panel tv screens and processed food. Meanwhile, essentials like health care, shelter, and transportation are prohibitively expensive.

Hope you are right about “the good times ending” but there are an awful lot of ignorant people out there. The Amazon union vote in AL is a good example

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
4. The one-per-centers have always had their thumb on the scale
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 12:52 PM
Apr 2021

They're the house, and the house always wins.


JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
6. But with employers finding it difficult to find workers...
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 01:03 PM
Apr 2021

...we're discovering that the free market ax swings both ways and now conservatives are begging the government for help in maintaining a class of people who will beg for a job.

Last week Chipotle offered free up front college tuition to all workers, even part time.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/chipotle-expands-college-tuition-financial-assistance-for-employees-101519.html

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
7. To your point about "putting the squeeze on the poor"
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 01:18 PM
Apr 2021

...or conservatives "begging the government for help in maintaining a class of people who will beg for a job."

Polanyi observed that according to the logic of the market, workers would have to be on strike almost continually even to know what their labor is really worth.

Diamond_Dog

(31,987 posts)
3. "People are getting lazy. They got their stimulus checks and unemployment..."
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 12:49 PM
Apr 2021

“People working .... This is how you buy a house .... This is how you build a retirement...”

Not at the money you make waiting tables and prepping food!!

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/nobody-wants-to-work-local-employers-share-troubling-trend/

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
5. It may already be working
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 12:57 PM
Apr 2021

The news last week was that Chipotle is offering free up front college tuition to all workers, part time and full. They used to reimburse tuition, but now they just cut the check.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/chipotle-expands-college-tuition-financial-assistance-for-employees-101519.html

Diamond_Dog

(31,987 posts)
9. That's is a wonderful thing for Chipotle's workers
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 01:43 PM
Apr 2021

And I applaud it.

But that is probably only possible with the big chains.

It just made me angry that these guys locally complain that people are lazy because it’s hard to find employees to work for low wages during a pandemic in a crowded place, and that working is what enables you to buy a house and have a comfortable retirement. Has he never heard the term “working poor”?

Backseat Driver

(4,392 posts)
10. It won't be long before Chipolte's workforce is all over 45 years old; you see,
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 01:47 PM
Apr 2021

it's the funds it takes to make a "living wage" before the human lifecycle of stereotyped "incompetency" and physical slowness pushes back against what looks like a bold way to get an energetic youthful staff.

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