Is the Attorney General putting off the inevitable?

[kentuck]

And the longer it is put off, the more difficult it will be?

The "Former Guy" is having a big fundraiser tonight as the first step in declaring total control of the Republican Party. For a while, he thought his goose was cooked. But, obviously no one is in a hurry to charge him with anything, especially the Feds.

Once he regains the legitimacy as the front-runner in the next presidential election, it will be almost politically impossible to charge him with anything. Time is the most valuable commodity - not only for Donald Trump, but also for the Biden Justice Department.

If there are any plans to charge him with incitement to insurrection or anything else, the time for a decision is drawing near.

Otherwise, we are creating a crisis beyond anyone's control.

He must answer for what he has done.

[kentuck]

4. Agree.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

[sop]

6. And the "our only remedy is the vote" solution is in jeopardy if GOP voter suppression efforts work.

[kentuck]

17. Trump's plan is to hide behind the cover of the Republican Party...

He will be able to do that so long as he is not charged with anything.

[The Roux Comes First]

133. Let Us Not Forget That "the Only Remedy" Refrain

Was a ruse to dodge accountability for the crimes for which he was impeached. And to protect the frail tissue-clutching 's from having to go on record as to whether they put constitution and country before their loyalty to that fat spray-tanned ass. Putting him squarely back in his dumpster of a life was just the critical first step. He violated many laws, his oath, and our trust repeatedly. Time for some frog-marching!

[niyad]

30. Good to have you back!

[Stuart G]

86. NO..."TIME PASSING" may indicate that evidence is being... "COLLECTED"

...see post 55 and 66

[DSandra]

146. Sorry, after Fitzmas and Mueller, I have no faith in the justice system reigning in a president

I know a former president might be easier, but I won’t hold my breath for it.

[kentuck]

147. The power is with the people, not the Justice Department.

The DOJ will respond to the rule of law if they are pushed to respond.

Just my opinion.

[DSandra]

148. Yes but there are two justice systems in this country

One for the rich and powerful, and one for everyone else.

[kentuck]

149. I do not disagree with you.

But I still believe in the power of the people, if push comes to shove.

[rickyhall]

2. I just hope the Dems don't let it go like they have in the past and let the repugs get away with it.

[stopdiggin]

158. false narrative. repeated far too often

the Democrats did not "let it go." And people are getting a little tired of hearing this crap. The Ds, while controlling a a single chamber in a single branch of our current government invested time, money, legislative and investigative resource, and political capital, in bringing impeachment charges against DJT .. twice. Would the poster like to elucidate what else the party 'coulda', shoulda', woulda' done against a sitting president -- in order to prove they weren't "letting it go?"

We'll wait.
----- --- --- --- -----

[rickyhall]

161. Before the other guy, before Obama...

[stopdiggin]

171. okie dokie.

[Hugin]

3. The only thing I can think is they are letting him think he's gotten away with it...

Hoping he'll let his guard down and slip up in a major way. Then swoop in for the convict.

I'm skeptical this is the case. Otherwise, they really are that ambivalent about the rule of law and justice.

[kentuck]

5. He should have to defend himself.

...for inciting an insurrection against our government.

There is no reason not to charge him.

Yes, it would be divisive but nowhere as divisive as if he runs for President again.

[Hugin]

8. That is why I was disappointed with the impeachment trial...

Yah, sure, the GrOPpers would never convict, but, it was a golden opportunity to get the whole stinking cesspool into the record.

Instead they rushed blindly into the arms of obstruction and gridlock.

I can only conclude that's the preferred situation.

[speak easy]

19. The is a huge reason not to charge him

if the advice to the AG is that he stands a chance walking.

The worst - WORST - possible outcome, politically, and beyond would be to indict Dumbf for inciting insurrection. and have him found not guilty.

[kentuck]

28. Is it worse to charge him and let public opinion find him guilty...?

...or let him walk and let him declare himself not guilty? Either way, he is going to say he is not guilty of anything. That is a given.

I think it is wrong to not charge because of fear of a "not guilty" verdict.

Even if found not guilty by a jury, it would harm his chances to be re-elected in 2024. He would be damaged goods.

[Demsrule86]

45. There is no point in charging him period. It will put all the attention back on Trump

Also, there not a place in this world where there won't be Trumpers on the jury so he won't be convicted...let's not waste time nor money on Trump. We need to move ahead with our agenda.

He is an old man... go after him financially...break him with the taxes and money issues and there are some criminal complaints at the state level.

[speak easy]

46. An acquittal on incitement to insurrection would not harm his changes.

On the contrary, it would short-circuit political discussion of January 6 . - I's a hoax. Trump.Was.Exonerated.

If the DOJ's advice to the AG is the charges may mot stick, I am not going to be one telling to try a Pickett's charge see what happens.

If, on the other hand, the advice is to charge him - I will be amongst the first to cheer.

Second guessing the DOJ is a mug's game. IMHO.

[ShazzieB]

136. I am in full agreement with all of this.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

162. For some here, feel-good political theatre is better than actual results nt

[DENVERPOPS]

78. Precisely SE

I think a criminal guilty decision has to be unanimous 12/12 jurors. Some attorney let me know if that is wrong.....

With 70+ million trump humpers out there, what are the chances of seating a jury that doesn't have at least one of them on it...

If I am correct with the 12/12 thing. There is little chance of ANY of the entire administration or RepubliCON Senators getting found guilty of anything they are charged with.

And even if any are found guilty in a lower court, they just keep appealing it up through the courts until they find a court with a judge the republicans appointed to that court. And even if it gets to the U.S. Supreme Court, I wouldn't bet a nickel that the lop sided advantage of Republican justices wouldn't find any of them guilty, if for no other reason than to preserve the Republican Party they all worship. (I personally feel that that is exactly what Mueller did. As a life time staunch republican, he soft balled everything along with Barr to save his beloved Republican party.)

The repubs at this point don't know whether to shit or go blind. They would like nothing better than to see Trump have an aneurism or MI and be rid of him. But they are frightened to death, if they abandon Trump and don't play nice, they will lose a bunch of the 70+ million voters that worship Trump. And risk him running and winning again and obliterating any and all of the Republican Party who weren't all in and supportive of him........

[speak easy]

90. 'What are the chances of seating a jury that doesn't have at least one Trumper'?

And just as important, if a decent effort is made to weed out MAGAts, what are chances the verdict will be overturned on appeal? Is it gonna take an all blue jury to convict the fuker? There are precedents as long an oil tanker about all-white juries.

[DENVERPOPS]

122. WASF...........

If I was young I would have left the country in 2000, knowing what was in the future of the U.S.

I tell my kid and his wife to take his kids and decide which country they would like to go to live and get traveling......

[PortTack]

118. Absolutely!

[wnylib]

20. Maybe they are being very thorough in

collecting concrete evidence.

Regarding the insurrection, so far, they have audio and video of his rallies that he can easily explain away and refute with lame explanations .and there is nothing to definitively prove that he engineered it. They need to work their way up through the people they have arrested on insurrection charges to connect the dots.

Regarding the financial investigations in NY, that mountain of material just turned in by the ex daughter in law of his CFO will take time to sift and sort through.

Both NY and the Feds will get him when they have solid, undeniable proof of his crimes that he can't weasel his way out of.

[Demsrule86]

47. I see no way Trump get tried or convicted for the insurrection.

[wnylib]

56. I think it's possible if they can get

lower level operators to talk, or uncover a trail of command leading to him.

[wnylib]

52. Whst is the evidence that they have right now

that would convict him and what are the charges he would be convicted of?

[wnylib]

58. Nice cop out for an unsubstantiated claim.

[Hugin]

74. I see a whole lot of the status quo happening.

Y'know, where the low get the life squished out of them for a misdemeanor and the rich spend their days unmolested on the golf course to offend again.

How American.

[Hugin]

99. ...

Good to see you back at it!

[Stuart G]

89. We don't know the ......."State of New York Evidence"....DO WE?

The evidence in the federal government of law breaking, could very well be different than the .....

......State of New York Evidence...

[PortTack]

115. The father, the CFO wiesselburg has been subpoenaed to appear b4 a grand jury

Couldn’t find the link. It was posted here earlier today

[wnylib]

126. I wonder how much he will

"not be able to remember."

[PortTack]

10. I trust that Merrick Garland is doing the right thing!!

[SunSeeker]

12. A lot of people trusted Mueller to do the right thing and he totally dropped the ball. nt

[wnylib]

21. Totally different people.

[SunSeeker]

105. Hope so. nt

[MyOwnPeace]

69. The one film clip.....

that I'll not forget was that of AG Garland showing up at the DOJ and being greeted by the staff in the parking lot - applause and smiles and a wonderful tribute to their new 'boss.'

That moment tells me tons.

It is NOT time to give up hope and faith......

[SunSeeker]

108. I am not giving up hope. But faith needs to be earned. nt

[58Sunliner]

96. Amen.

[PortTack]

97. Mueller was trying desperately to do the right thing and was ham strung by dotard and barr

[SunSeeker]

104. They didn't muzzle Mueller. He could still speak.

If they were hamstringing him, he should have had a press conference announcing he was quittting in protest because of Barr's improper obstruction. He would not have been the first member of DOJ to do that. Instead, he legitimized that farce.

[PortTack]

117. Disagree..barr released a highly redacted version of the report which I'm sure you recall completely

Exonerated dotard. What was mueller to do at the time? Come out and say what? going against a totally corrupt justice department would have been a fool’s errand. They would have only further discredited him, which you have shown worked.

Congress is now in possession of the complete report and is part of what will come out.

[SunSeeker]

121. He should have demanded the testimony of Trump. He should have followed the money.

When Trump and his AG stopped him from doing that, he should have quit and said why. His report legitimized the process because it implied he was finished. He should not have issued a report if he was not able to complete the task.

Did you read Mueller's report? It was a disgrace. Mueller said that there was no quid pro quo because he could not determine the value of the help the Russians gave Trump, so he gave it a value of ZERO. So, no "quid." Hence, he found no conspiracy. Barr didn't redact that part or change it. He didn't need to. Mueller did exactly what Barr wanted.

Mueller's wife and Barr's wife are besties, attending Sunday church services together. I think Mueller just acquiesced because he didn't want to be shunned by his Republican friends and family.

My disgust with Mueller has nothing to do with the bullshit right wingers pushed about him being an anti-Trump Democrat. My disgust with Mueller is based on what he failed to do.

[uponit7771]

130. Talking about before Barrs lies to the country, Mueller could have told people

[uponit7771]

129. The right thing would have been to tell Congress that he was being hamstrung

... Mueller with a functionary at best

After finding out rosenstein told him to not go after Trump's finances I was done with him and his team

[uponit7771]

128. +1

[brush]

11. Look for charges out of NY state. The Manhattan DA and the state AG.

[summer_in_TX]

13. We've been waiting a long, long time.

We need that corrupt, grifting criminal to pay for some of his many crimes!

[kentuck]

14. I doubt that NY will do anything...

He has been doing criminal acts in NY for over 40 years and they have done nothing. Why should we think they will start now. Trump has owned the politicians in NY for a very long time.

[brush]

23. Real New Yorkers have been disgusted with trump for years. He's not liked.

People know he's a grifter who blew all the millions he got from his father and had to go to Russians for money when the banks no longer would lend to him because of his several bankruptcies running casinos. He's a laughing stock there and is not fooling anyone. Why do you think he didn't go back to New York?

And btw, the Manhattan DA finally got his taxes and is digging thru hundreds of thousands of pages of documents. And the NY AG is a Black woman who is going after him as well. It's not going to all go away.

[brooklynite]

25. So you're claiming that the New York Attorney General is corrupt?

[PortTack]

98. Agree...why would anyone say that?!

[wnylib]

26. Not statewide, not in the Federal jurisdiction district,

and very definitely not the state AG, Letitia James.

Financial records that are available now and were not available before take time to sift through. I know that I would not want to see him charged before the evidence was built up strongly enough to make a conviction inevitable. Would not want to see him get off after being charged.

[wnylib]

62. Do what all the time? I was talking

about bringing charges too soon, before there is concrete evidence to convict him on. Surely you don't want him to get off after being charged.

[wnylib]

93. LOLOLOLOL. A TV analyst has inside info

on details contained in investigation files?

Why are you taking such a negative view on what Dems and the Justice Department are doing to bring the traitor to justice with a solid conviction?

I am done with your nonsense and silly patronization.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

163. "I've done my research - here are some YouTube videos" nt

[brush]

15. They finally got his taxes a couple of months ago and Michael Cohen has been...

interviewed several more times. They're also looking into his long-time accountant/treasurer and the treasurer's son. It's not all going to be swept under the rug. One indication is trump just hired a new attorney. That's always a sign things aren't going well.

[summer_in_TX]

16. I hope! (But will refrain from holding my breath.)

Those are good signs.

If this is an illustration of that old saying, "The wheels of justice grind exceedingly slowly, but grind exceedingly fine," I see the exceedingly slowly part, but I'm waiting, with waning patience, for the rest of it to happen.

[kentuck]

18. Sometimes it is hard to distinguish...

...sweeping under the rug from dragging your feet. I hope that the investigation has not ended.

[Stuart G]

51. I doubt that the investigation has ended...If there is some evidence,,

then there is ....more evidence.

...If there is "investigation" then those doing "the investigation" want to be sure that Trump will
not get away..
.......If I were doing the investigation, or if you were, we would want to be sure of
a ....guilty verdict...and that is why the investigation by New York must be total and complete..

.....I don't think New York is dragging it, I do think that New York wants it to be, "Iron Clad" and
no doubt that Trump is ..."Guilty as Charged." So that the trial, and the trial's verdict is clear and totally
understandable to all.
....That is how I would do it, and you would too. No getting away with anything this time. And
New York and the all of us deserve that: ..."No getting away with it this time"...

.....And that is what all of us want...!!!!

[former9thward]

27. Trump did not hire a new attorney, the Trump business organization did.

Legally they are completely different animals. NY has had his taxes since the 1960s when he started filing them with the state.

Michael Cohen would be a nightmare witness for any prosecutor. Afterall he went to prison for lying to Congress and tax evasion.

[brush]

29. You're misiformed about his taxes. And if you think the turmp organization...

hiring a new attorney is somehow separate from trump who is head of the organization, well....

And where have you been for the last few years? His excuse for not releasing his taxes has been he was being audited. They've been trying to get the last few years for quite a while to find evidence of him devaluing properties to avoid taxes then over-valuing them to get loans. They finally got the years of taxes they've been trying to get. Why haven't you heard that?

And Cohen is being pumped for information. No one said anything about him being a witness.

[former9thward]

124. So you are saying he has not filed tax returns with the state of NY?

Wow...

[brush]

125. Is there a comprehension problem? He's been saying for years he's getting audited...

which is why he couldn't release his tax returns like every other presidential candidate, and president once he got elected. NY authorities finally got ahold of them recently from a court order.

Understand now?

[former9thward]

131. The State does not need his permission to look at his returns.

When his tax return preparers put the returns in a mailbox or hit submit on the computer the state has those returns in their hands.
They have done that every year for probably at least 50 years. I am ndot talking about the gceneral public that has no enforcement power.

Understand now?

[brush]

160. You have no idea. It's a matter of privacy. The state nor the feds can release...

returns willy nilly, unless under a court order, which was recently granted...hundreds of thousands of pages which the Manhattan DA finally got and is wading through them for evidence of malfeasance. The NY AG also.

Of course trump could've released them and saved everyone a lot of time and trouble. Apparently there's a lot to hide. You must have forgotten about him making excuses for years that he couldn't released them as candidates normally do because he was getting audited. That was another of his many lies of course.

[former9thward]

167. OMG

You really think the state of NY has never audited his returns?

[brush]

169. You keep missing the points. Where have you been for the last four years?

Him claiming he was being audited was just an excuse not to release his taxes.

Now the DA and AG have them so there's no longer any need to discuss it.

[Demsrule86]

48. He is paying...he lost the election.

[machoneman]

155. Yes, the only way to truly nail his sorry azz is to have the NYS AG file charges. I only wonder:

what the heck are they waiting for?

And after 4 years plus of outlining charges, almost 75 days post the inauguration, almost 5 months post the election....they are still dicking around?

Why the delay, NY......why?

[Hoyt]

22. Don't think feds will be filing charges against trump. Hope I'm wrong, but they'd never get a

conviction. trump wouldn't be acquitted either, but a hung jury is almost guaranteed. Heck, some trump jurors might start shooting in deliberations.

[Stuart G]

53. The feds don't have to file charges...New York State will file charges...and....

New York State will find Trump ...guilty!...and I will bet on that!!

[Hoyt]

57. At best, they'll collect some taxes. Not happy about that, but it's likely the case.

[Stuart G]

59. I would disagree, but we will all find out after some time...one way or another..

[pnwmom]

63. Michael Cohen went to prison for Trump's crimes. So why would you assume

that his co-conspirator wouldn't also?

[Stuart G]

68. If Micheal Cohen testifies against Trump, who will the jury believe? Cohen or Trump?

...Think about that one for awhile

[pnwmom]

114. But now there will be new evidence -- among other things,

the tax returns provided by Mazars, and the evidence provided by Trump's accountants' helpful ex-daughter-in-law.

[Hoyt]

83. Because all but impossible to impanel a jury that won't hang. Plus, don't think Biden is interested

in federal charges.

If Cohen had anything left that is damaging, he would have told Congress and prosecutors the last time he appeared to save his won rear. All he had left to offer is what everyone knows -- trumps a cad, cheater, racist, incompetent, crook, etc.

Hope I'm wrong and I get why you guys think for the umpteenth time "we're going to get him now." I learned my lesson waking up several times a night to see if Fitzpatrick had locked up bush.

[PortTack]

100. Ask any attorney hung juries are rare

[Hoyt]

106. Stats mean nothing when any charges will be viewed as political.

My belief is that prosecutors won’t persue charges because it will be difficult to convict, it will cost millions, most people really don’t care, etc. Again, hope I’m wrong.

[pnwmom]

116. The legal filings against Cohen cited an unindicted co-conspirator,

and it's likely that that person was Trump, who wasn't indicted because he was President.

But he's not President anymore.

[brooklynite]

24. Criminal indictments are not based on "we all know he did it" assertions...

...and they’re not timed to make the blogosphere happy.

[Elessar Zappa]

36. Blogosphere?

What is this, 2005?

[Demsrule86]

50. +1000 Knowing someone did it and proving it beyond a reasonable doubt are two different

things.

[GulfCoast66]

101. Thank you. You are braver than me. I decided not to type it.

But you are absolutely correct.

[PortTack]

120. Thank you!

[grantcart]

132. And Fed prosecutions have a 98% conviction rate

Same thing with Matt Gates. Once indicted you are cooked, especially at this level.

[Escurumbele]

32. I believe they cannot rush to indict him, they must have solid cases

I want it to happen now, like most of us, but I would rather they have a solid case, one where there is no way to run for him than 1/2 a case that could allow him to win.

If he gets away with all the crap he has done it will only make him stronger, and the cowards of the GOP more afraid.

[Stuart G]

77. If you were NY State Atty General..what would you do?:Rush to indict?, or create totally solid case?

...So we all know the answer to that one...and I believe that is what is taking more time than we
would all like..He won't get away with the: ...State Crap!!


....Is that correct?...

[PortTack]

102. Exactly..every time I see a true news worthy piece about this they talk about the hundreds of

Thousands of documents they have to sift thru. No small task..they want to get it right

[Beachnutt]

34. Swift justice only comes for the middle and lower class folks

This is America remember...

[Hortensis]

35. Garland was confirmed MARCH 10, and WE are NOT "creating a crisis."

[BobTheSubgenius]

37. I was SURE we had seen the last of this POS.

I can scarcely believe he could claw his way out of the ooze and back to "legitimacy." Which is still ooze, but a slightly better class of ooze.

[SoCalDavidS]

38. He's NEVER Going To Be Held Accountable

This is America, and I'm sure he's not concerned about going to jail.

It's as likely as getting regulations on guns.

[Stuart G]

55. ...I totally disagree. Trump will be held accountable..by New York State..

....see post number 53......But it will take time.....

[SoCalDavidS]

61. I Do Not Share Your Optimism

I watched as Shrub, Cheney & Rove pretty much got away with everything they did.

I expect it will be the same with Drumpf.

People like him don't get held accountable. Not in America.

[dhol82]

71. Totally with you on this one.

Teflon Don.
Pathetic.
Hope I’m wrong.

[cab67]

39. I've got other fears.

At this point, assembling a jury of impartial citizens will be all but impossible. A few people will let him walk for any crime, and the rest of us would be challenged by his lawyers for despising him. No one can be neutral about him any more.

A good defense attorney could also probably argue that he’s not competent to stand trial.

[Stuart G]

60. You got it..That is it: "Charge and Bring To Trial" again and again..

[PortTack]

112. I used to think that, an attorney who posts here frequently said that would be very difficult if

Not impossible to show. I’m going with the expert

[monkeyman1]

44. people don't realize that this driving donny bats shit crazy! has no clue what he is going get hit w

[Stuart G]

66. Donnie Boy...always claims he is "innocent." NY Atty General will prove, "beyond doubt" that

Donnie Boy is not ..."innocent.".....

........And that will drive Donnie Boy ...totally crazy...

[monkeyman1]

76. bingo !!!! we have a winner !! good one.

[Dan]

65. I am thinking that Trump believed he was all powerful

So, Biden should put on his ‘All Powerful’ hat, and quietly, silently rendition Trump’s ass to Cuba, they have space in the camp there.

[Stuart G]

80. The New York Atty General .....will silently redition Trump's ass to prison, NY State Prison!

[jmowreader]

70. They need an ironclad case against Trump

Right now, Trump could easily say “I didn’t tell them to storm the Capitol, build a gallows or try to flex-cuff Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in preparation for execution, they did it because they love me.” This, I suspect, is why they’re cutting bargains with some of the insurrectionists: they need hard evidence against Trump to move forward, they don’t have it yet and some of the insurrectionists will roll over on Trump in exchange for lighter sentences.

I suspect our best chance of success will be the New York and federal tax cases that are in preparation. Tax crimes are complex to prosecute - especially at the dollar level Trump plays in - but there’s a good chance of conviction because if I make five figures and I pay taxes correctly on it, you fucking BETTER be doing the same thing if you’re making seven or eight figures. Keep in mind that what got Al Capone shipped from Chicago to Atlanta, and later to Alcatraz, was tax evasion - not violations of the impossible-to-convict-on Volstead Act.

[paleotn]

72. 1st off,

....are you sure he will be in any shape to run for anything in 2024? I don't. He's damn near a puddle of mess as it is. Dementia doesn't progress as a straight line. It's a curve. Secondly, you don't want to make it look "political" just after an election as just before another. Thirdly, Merrick Garland is only ONE of a whole host of legal, perhaps criminal problems for Donnie Covid. Patience, grasshopper.

[monkeyman1]

87. love it ! very good .

[peppertree]

73. When it comes to presidents, the proverbial page is usually turned the minute they leave

It is the American way.

[Kablooie]

75. The Attorney General has no plans to charge him with anything.

He gets off scott free with all his Federal crimes.

The only cases that are being developed are New York and Georgia.
Other than that all his crimes will be ignored.

[monkeyman1]

85. don't !

there's stuff going on behind the curtains that we don't no about . they don't publicize everything that go's on for simple fact you don't want to tip off your opponents what's coming . besides that the media has a known habit of lying their ass off & making crap up! i don't trust the media much at all!

[Kablooie]

127. I hope you're right but I still don't expect any Federal charges to be forthcoming.

They always yammer about setting a bad precedent for future presidents and so allow them to get away with anything.

[Fiendish Thingy]

81. What's the rush? Catch the small fish, get the bigger ones when conviction is certain

Justice takes time.

Trump is going to face multiple criminal and civil trials, no doubt.

The longer it takes, the more damage to the GOP when he finally goes down.

[NewJeffCT]

139. agreed - I just posted similar below

They get the little guys first, then they flip on their bosses, and then those small bosses flip on the big bosses.

[Jon King]

82. Totally disagree with the entire premise of this thread.

I think he will be charged in due time but.....

1. I pray he runs in 2024, which he absolutely has zero intentions of doing, so he can be utterly humiliated again.

2. He succeeded the first time through the power of twitter and facebook, both of which don't even allow his followers to post much about him. Without those platforms he has zero chance of organizing anything that matters.

3. His power is fading fast, despite what the GOP and the media wants us to think. Trump Corner, the busy intersection in Florida, that gathered his supporters for the past 5 years, before he was elected, every Friday during his Presidency, even the month after Biden was inaugurated, has not had even one person the past month. Not one. And these diehards were the leaders of the movement. I see no more Trump stickers or flags even here in Trump country.

4. All the true nuts that wanted to fight for him were there on Jan 6th and most are done and identified. There is no secret army of Trump supporters waiting to fight and start an insurrection.

[PortTack]

103. Thank you!!

[marmar]

109. Agreed. He can't even get ratings on Newsmax.

I think people are way overestimating his relevance.

[Stuart G]

84. Please see posts 55 and 66...New York Atty General will get him..

[Warpy]

91. Merrick Garland is very careful

and is meticulously working up the food chain to find out all the places it goes.

Dumdum continuing to scam the faithul is small potatoes.

[DallasNE]

92. I Agree

I think DOJ is deferring to Cy Vance. That is a mistake. While DOJ doesn't want to go on a witch hunt there should be plenty of things to charge him with - including the hush money he paid in 2016 and obstruction of justice while he was President. There should be plenty of things to charge the Trump family with as well. What about the meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower in 2016? Mueller made a decision to not follow up on leads that led to the Trump kids. More two tier justice and what rankles so many Americans.

[Beachnutt]

94. This may be helpful (link)

[link:https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/|

[George II]

95. I think he knows what he's doing.

[Evolve Dammit]

107. It makes DOJ look weak. Sorry, but it does. With little deterrent, they will plan more events.

[Snackshack]

110. I think.

Vance and Garland are looking at each saying you first.

Which is sad because America was attacked on 6 Jan and it citizens have been under attack for an entire year now with over 570,000+ Americans lost. Both of these attacks were perpetrated by the same individual.

DT’s incitement of the crowd on 6 Jan led to the death of at least 1 police officer and 4 other Americans. Plus the injuring of 140 more and millions in repairs costs to the Capitol.

DT’s criminal negligence (at best), 1st degree murder (at worst) if there ever was a conversation that COVID-19 is hitting Blue States hardest so slow down any response and his openly admitting to lying about how deadly the disease was. A disease that now to date has led to the deaths of 570,000+ Americans and infect 30,000,000+.

...and here we are April 10th and DT is holding a GOP fund raiser this weekend in FL. He has been living in his golf resort in FL since he snuck out the back door of the White House on 20 Jan, he didn’t even have the balls to met President Biden and First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. He golfs a lot, gives interviews and releases statements as if he is still president. He still gets a Secret Service detachment for security.

He claimed he made $1.6billion while in office and conveniently enough the Supreme Court rejected the cases they had been sitting on for several months concerning Emoluments violations. According to the Chief Justice I believe Trump is no longer in office so basically why bother with these.

This country has stood up to and defeated a long list of evils since its founding but apparently in DT it has met its match. Because the man still walks free and pretends he is President...

[Rhiannon12866]

111. I know justice is not necessarily swift in this country, but it's already been too long

And the fact that he's still free to spew his lies is totally unacceptable and, as you said, making the situation irrevocably worse.

[Rhiannon12866]

113. For those who are keeping track ( current Trump prosecutions):

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215323763

[Mad_Machine76]

119. I got into some arguments about this with some leftists on FB the other day

I'm gonna give Garland a little time before getting too impatient with him or to make a declaration that potential criminal activity by the Trump WH is just going to be ignored and that no effort to prosecute him is even going to be made. He practically just got confirmed, Trump left a huge mess in his wake and substantially delayed the transition process (likely to give him time to cover up and obstruct any criminal investigations). Garland is also committed to running a de-politicized DOJ. To the extent that he himself pursues criminal charges against Trump, I would expect that he will be cautious and only follow where the leads take him and the DOJ. And to the extent that he may be pursuing investigations of Trump and his associates, how much would we-the public- really know at this point?

[kentuck]

123. Everyone makes really excellent points.

But, my questions are:

Do you think Trump will be the nominee of the Republicans in 2024?

Do you think he would defeat Biden or Harris?

He might not be the nominee and, if he was, he might not win?

But, how much more division and turmoil can our country take?

Would we make it thru another Trump term without violence? Or another crisis equal to or similar to the pandemic we have all suffered thru? There will be nothing smooth or predictable with another Trump presidency.

In my opinion, it would be worthwhile to keep him busy with something other than the "politics" of running for the presidency again.

Whether or not he was found "not guilty" on all the charges against him, the process could possibly take us thru the next electoral cycle? If charges are made, he would have to respond.

There will come a time when the evidence is so blatant that there may be no other option but to charge him. What happens then?

[llashram]

134. NOTHING is going to hapen

to trump. Period. If I'm wrong I will celebrate when seeing him humbled and hopefully destroyed politically. His king of mean 4 years cost hundreds of thousands of needless deaths among Americans. With the hardest hit in minority communities. This "move on" shit is for the birds.

[Generic Brad]

135. I don't think that's how investigations work

If we arrest without hard evidence, we are no better than the "Lock Her Up" crowd.

[Hotler]

137. For the sake of healing the country.......... And notice...

that there seems to be a slow walk of setting up a 9/11 type commission for the 1/6 coup attempt.

[NewJeffCT]

138. The guy has been in office for a month - give him an f-ing break

the way federal prosecutions typically work is that they go after the low level people first - the rioters in the insurrection, the career people in the various government agencies, etc - and those people flip on the higher level people to get a lesser charge/lighter sentence, then they go after the next tier (riot organizers, senior cabinet officials, DeJoy, etc) and then they try to get those people to flip on the senior people - Trump, the funders of the riot, the Cabinet secretaries, etc

These things don't happen overnight - it took several years to take down John Gotti and he didn't have 3 hand picked SCOTUS justices on his side.

[Grasswire2]

152. It took Gerald Nadler six months to get Barr under oath.

Even Congress has moved slowly on the traitors.

[EleanorR]

140. Justice lacks a Deputy and Associate AG because of repubs and Garland has been in for all of 30 days

Any impending crisis can be laid squarely at the feet of the GOP, not Garland.

[SayItLoud]

141. Absolutely right. Once he declares he's running....he has:

--a NATIONAL media platform to further his lying agenda.

--the ability to SCREAM "it's political". "trying to deny the people a candidate". (just what his Cult wants to rally around)


AND he will appeal any indictments to the SC.


The longer the DOJ and NY etc wait to charge him the more he builds his base. Once he declares he's running..... it's OVER imo, he once again will prove he's above the law.

[kentuck]

142. Everyone should read this article in the Mother Jones magazine :

(with comments from National Security experts)

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/02/trump-stochastic-terrorism-us-capitol-mob-incitement/

(snip)
Trump did more than just invite supporters to a rally. He also repeatedly shared a slickly produced video, titled “The Plot to Steal America,” that warned ominously of a Chinese communist scheme involving Biden, the Democrats, and the news media, and called for Trump supporters to mobilize. “We know that our rights don’t come from the government, but from God,” declared the narrator, an Ohio jewelry buyer formerly employed by the pro-Trump propaganda outlet the Epoch Times. “And we will fight to the death to protect those rights.” In a tweet the day after Christmas, Trump suggested that if the Democrats were in his position, the “Rigged & Stolen” presidential election would be considered “an act of war, and fight to the death.”

This drumbeat all built toward the cold gray morning in early January when thousands of fervent Trump supporters gathered for a “Save America” rally outside the White House. “We’re coming for you,” vowed Donald Trump Jr. from the stage, targeting members of Congress who didn’t support overturning the November results. “Let’s have trial by combat,” said Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal attorney, adding, “I’ll be darned if they’re going to take our free and fair vote.” “Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass!” shouted Alabama congressman Mo Brooks. “Our ancestors sacrificed their blood, their sweat, their tears, their fortunes, and sometimes their lives…Are you willing to do the same?”

(snip)
Trump strode to the podium for the finale. “We will never concede,” he said. “You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.” As he urged supporters to march on the Capitol and “stop the steal,” he slipped in a line about making their voices heard “peacefully and patriotically.” But the majority of his speech was steeped in the language of betrayal and belligerence. “You’ll never take back our country with weakness,” he told the increasingly agitated crowd. “You have to show strength.” And: “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

The mob assault on Congress that left five people dead, scores injured, the Capitol building desecrated, and American democracy deeply shaken was the culmination of a campaign of terrorism. It was led by the president of the United States.

[Tiger8]

143. Trump could be President again.

Several nightmare scenarios could return Trump to the WH.

They’ve got to open him up like a soft peanut, and then squash him like a bug. Subpoena him to testify for 12 hour stretches. Grill him, and grill him good. Bump up the heat and watch him sweat on national TV, like a pig.

[kentuck]

144. He would be a dictator - not a president.

We should not underestimate this possibility.

Pollyannish thinking that believes we have all the time in the world to fix this is dangerous for us all.

[Tiger8]

156. Exactly! It's pedal to the metal time

January 6th was their official declaration of war.

A Trumper told me liberals should all be killed, organs harvested, prison camps, etc. and they were looking to hang Pence.....so what does that tell you?

This has all been years in the making. Republicans put together the plan for minority rule and fascism - which is bad enough - but Trump is the sociopathic cult leader who has taken it over, and if he gets back in power, nobody will stop him.

[druidity33]

166. Trump won't make it to 2024... he's really not well. nt.

[Trueblue1968]

145. CHARGE HIM !!! CHARGE HIM!!!!! #LockTrumpUpNow !!!!

[kentuck]

150. One possible reason they have not charged him....

...it could very possibly start a civil war.

It must be handled very adroitly and carefully. Public sentiment is everything, as Nancy is fond of saying.

[Grasswire2]

151. agree -- tempus fugit

And the longer the delay, the less accountability for the traitors.

Slap them upside the head.

[OldCicero]

153. I'd like to know when "he thought his goose was cooked"?

He's never seemed to act that way.

[kentuck]

154. He was like a recluse for a couple of months...

...before he finally went on FOX.

I think he was scared shitless that he was going to be charged with sedition. When he saw that nothing was happening, he came out of his hole down in Mar-a-Lago.

[Silent3]

157. I don't know how it works in other countries, but I've never seen anything so big...

...go any faster. Look at the Chauvin trial. That should be a lot simpler a case, but it's taking place now a full year after George Floyd's murder.

[Martin68]

159. There are a number of serious criminal investigations going on right now. They have far more chance

of a successful resolution than charging him with inciting an insurrection.

[Meowmee]

164. And as expected

The media are helping him again by covering his every move. I was disgusted when early this morning I saw two reporters who seem to be excited about all of this ...these people will never learn.

[Lucinda]

165. FFS - He just started the job... n/t

[CatWoman]

168. ....

Link to tweet

?s=20

[spanone]

170. Fuckin A kentuck