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Just so you know, Ammon Bundy's been arrested again (Original Post) jmowreader Apr 2021 OP
State and DOJ should have thrown all the Bundy Ranchers in jail years ago. Hoyt Apr 2021 #1
I know that as well as you do jmowreader Apr 2021 #2
Good point about the Founding Fathers. I kinda think the laughed their rears off Hoyt Apr 2021 #7
A prosecutor can also request a change of venue, no? soldierant Apr 2021 #26
He can be arrested on federal charges DENVERPOPS Apr 2021 #27
He has been arrested on federal charges, and walked jmowreader Apr 2021 #39
The way they always seem to get away with it puzzled me. summer_in_TX Apr 2021 #30
I wonder how the good people of Emmett ID feel about this asshole after his stunt ribrepin Apr 2021 #35
And this fool probably thinks he is some kind PatSeg Apr 2021 #42
You don't mess with parents and their kids and their kids' sports. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #51
+IKR So tired of these same trespassing assholes luckone Apr 2021 #3
Someone needs to look into who's funding his actions and helping him coordinate them. Ford_Prefect Apr 2021 #4
But the bail amounts are so low, it might not be Tumbulu Apr 2021 #6
After multiple arrests.. SergeStorms Apr 2021 #22
How about DENVERPOPS Apr 2021 #43
Its whatever he's been running on since the trial. He has connections to an ALEC front group Ford_Prefect Apr 2021 #24
Surprised he wasn't with the rest of them at the Capitol. summer_in_TX Apr 2021 #31
I agree except that he's more sly than that. Ammon likes to have others do his work. Ford_Prefect Apr 2021 #36
Charles Koch and his fellow travelers, I suppose? summer_in_TX Apr 2021 #37
like something called the "sagebrush rebellion" in the 1980s? DBoon Apr 2021 #48
Yes. Now under ALEC's rubric it fronts for multinational extraction companies (mining, oil & gas). Ford_Prefect Apr 2021 #52
He just gets released again and again and nothing happens. Tumbulu Apr 2021 #5
So he's like Ottis the drunk. kacekwl Apr 2021 #8
And Ottis didn't break any laws except for RCWUI Elwood P Dowd Apr 2021 #11
Andy let him sleep in jail so he wouldn't break any laws jmowreader Apr 2021 #17
Fantastic ! kacekwl Apr 2021 #38
His group are a lot more dangerous than some in the press make out. Ford_Prefect Apr 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Ford_Prefect Apr 2021 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author kacekwl Apr 2021 #9
Put this federal land resource freeloader in jail. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2021 #10
I am so sick of that family n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2021 #12
Twitter video DesertRat Apr 2021 #13
You see that little hand truck they had him on? jmowreader Apr 2021 #16
Wow! DesertRat Apr 2021 #18
What happened to the "three strikes and you're out" thing? Hasn't he had something like 9 strikes? George II Apr 2021 #14
Someone in-and_out of out jail like this ain't going to get better. Nt VarryOn Apr 2021 #20
Wrong race for that to kick in Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #34
There's a little something going on with the brain on that boy. brush Apr 2021 #15
Not enough deterrent to make a difference in behavior. Isn't that the point of "criminal justice"? Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #19
Ammon "No bin Snackin" arrested? Awesome. Purrfessor Apr 2021 #21
Federal agents in Oregon and Nevada blew it. Thunderbeast Apr 2021 #23
The Bundys get away with repeatedly flaunting laws because of the color of their FailureToCommunicate Apr 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius Apr 2021 #32
Wouldn't surprise me to see him denied bail after that stunt. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #33
Any relation to TED? TigressDem Apr 2021 #40
No. jmowreader Apr 2021 #41
clearly, the man is genius. That is all. Trueblue Texan Apr 2021 #44
At least The Oath Keepers will have something to do Dreampuff Apr 2021 #45
It is called jury nullification. The Jungle 1 Apr 2021 #46
There's an expression that comes to mind PJMcK Apr 2021 #47
Loud-mouthed crackpot. Maybe he's just trying to stay on the news. Martin68 Apr 2021 #49
This idiot likes being locked up LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #50
The epitome of privilege.... RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2021 #53
Exhibit A of white male Q privilege nt spooky3 Apr 2021 #54

jmowreader

(50,522 posts)
2. I know that as well as you do
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 08:20 PM
Apr 2021

Problem is, in the areas where that clan lives there are plenty of people who think they’re just wonderful, and you’ve got to build a jury out of them.

I sometimes wonder: if the Founding Fathers could have seen into the future, would the Constitution read the way it does?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Good point about the Founding Fathers. I kinda think the laughed their rears off
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 08:57 PM
Apr 2021

while signing that thing.

DENVERPOPS

(8,781 posts)
27. He can be arrested on federal charges
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 10:29 PM
Apr 2021

would that move it to some other jurisdiction??????

This asshole and his friends are making an absolute mockery of the law, and have for years and years.

The are all laughing their asses off, which encourages others to do criminal acts also.....

When is this all gonna end?????????

jmowreader

(50,522 posts)
39. He has been arrested on federal charges, and walked
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:15 AM
Apr 2021

Federal courts will try you as near to the scene of the crime as they can.

ribrepin

(1,723 posts)
35. I wonder how the good people of Emmett ID feel about this asshole after his stunt
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 11:29 PM
Apr 2021

last October.
Bundy, who appeared at the Friday night contest without a mask, refused to wear a mask or leave Caldwell High property. He may face criminal charges for trespassing, according to Caldwell Police Department spokesman Joey Hoadley.

“A small group of visitors refused to follow the safety requirements, including wearing face coverings, and were denied admittance to the game,” district spokeswoman Allison Westfall wrote in an email to parents that was also provided to the Idaho Statesman. “They were told they could watch from Brothers Park. Instead, they continued to loiter on the property and became disruptive.”

“Canyon County dispatch began receiving multiple calls from unidentified callers threatening acts of violence at the game stemming from the dispute over masks,” Hoadley clarified Saturday morning, “at which time the decision was made to cancel the game for the safety of students and fans.”

Bundy was told before the game was stopped that he could cost Emmett a win and potentially a playoff spot.

Some angry parents confronted Bundy as they left the stadium. He was asked if the game stoppage involved him, and he said he thought it did.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/canyon-county/article246192555.html

I know I would be furious if that maskhole cost my kids a chance of the playoffs. Emmett was winning 35 to zip when the game was stopped.

PatSeg

(47,205 posts)
42. And this fool probably thinks he is some kind
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 12:24 PM
Apr 2021

of hero on a mission, fighting for liberty and willing to suffer the consequences of his illegal actions. In his pitiful little brain, he is a martyr for the cause, but his persistent behavior suggests that he is mentally deranged.

NH Ethylene

(30,802 posts)
51. You don't mess with parents and their kids and their kids' sports.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:31 PM
Apr 2021

He may find future jury pools to be a little less friendly if he is not careful.

Ford_Prefect

(7,865 posts)
4. Someone needs to look into who's funding his actions and helping him coordinate them.
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 08:55 PM
Apr 2021

He's far from the lone ranger type he pretends to be, and someone ELSE is paying his bills and bail. Likely Koch who have big investments in the movement for selling off federal and state lands.

Tumbulu

(6,268 posts)
6. But the bail amounts are so low, it might not be
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 08:57 PM
Apr 2021

much of a funding stream.

Just discouraging, the whole matter.

SergeStorms

(19,123 posts)
22. After multiple arrests..
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 09:50 PM
Apr 2021

they should deny bail. If he can't behave himself and keeps having contempt for the law, they should deny bail until his trial. I get a feeling the judicial system in that area is tilting slightly Bundy's way.

DENVERPOPS

(8,781 posts)
43. How about
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 12:27 PM
Apr 2021

the judge giving him a million dollar cash bail ????

Then, when he jumps bail, he loses the million bucks.

I'm sure who ever is funding him might get tired of that after awhile.

Ford_Prefect

(7,865 posts)
24. Its whatever he's been running on since the trial. He has connections to an ALEC front group
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 10:24 PM
Apr 2021

which puts him in the Koch shadow. He's been a very busy boi over the last year organizing a rather large group of followers and sympathizers. He is potentially a dangerous fellow and has plans to expand his influence.

His followers have shown up armed to protest at the judge's home and other places. They ARE dangerous. If this wasn't in Idaho I suspect it would be more seriously resisted by law enforcement and the Feds.

More at the Southern Poverty Law Center:

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/09/25/ammon-bundy-launches-new-antigovernment-organization-takes-coronavirus-restrictions

summer_in_TX

(2,703 posts)
31. Surprised he wasn't with the rest of them at the Capitol.
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 10:56 PM
Apr 2021

He seems like a natural for a little insurrection!

Ford_Prefect

(7,865 posts)
36. I agree except that he's more sly than that. Ammon likes to have others do his work.
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 11:52 PM
Apr 2021

He gets them riled up and lets them loose like Trump does. He's just not as obvious a psychopath.

What he has set up is the idea that he's somehow a victim of government oppression. His followers have been lead up the garden path in a manner similar to the MAGA crowd but they have always been headed there. The whole Sovereign Citizen movement is a fake cause got up and paid for by the same fools who brought us the John Birch Society.

summer_in_TX

(2,703 posts)
37. Charles Koch and his fellow travelers, I suppose?
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 12:03 AM
Apr 2021

I'm not usually consumed with fantasies about the destruction of a terrorist organization like that, but confess to having some about those enemies of America.

DBoon

(22,336 posts)
48. like something called the "sagebrush rebellion" in the 1980s?
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:20 PM
Apr 2021

A cute folksy name for a front group of corporations drooling over Federal lands

Ford_Prefect

(7,865 posts)
52. Yes. Now under ALEC's rubric it fronts for multinational extraction companies (mining, oil & gas).
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 07:25 PM
Apr 2021

Ammon is building a new group to coordinate actions across the country:

Antigovernment extremist Ammon Bundy, known for his participation in multiple armed standoffs against the U.S. government, has a new venture. The group appears to be aimed in part at what Bundy considers government restrictions on personal liberties.

People’s Rights seeks to build a nationwide network of right-wing, often antigovernment activists that can be called upon to quickly mobilize against perceived threats, according to the group’s website and the descriptions by its national and regional leaders.

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The group’s message, which has been shared across social media platforms, is that the U.S. government poses a great threat to the freedom and liberties of “the people,” who need to be armed and ready to fend off these supposed tyrannical forces. The group has already staged several protests at government meetings, shutting down at least one proceeding.

********
For Bundy, whose prior acts of extremism have been grounded in his belief that the government is tyrannical, the need to fight it is already here. People’s Rights is his newest vehicle to do so.

People’s Rights has approximately 22,000 followers on social media. The group hasn’t been linked to specific violent incidents, but Bundy’s history and the organization’s rise in the midst of an increase in right-wing backlash to public health policies as well as uncertainty during a pandemic may feed fears that could erupt.


While Ammon has his own version of Sovereign Citizens thinking he is known to be connected to GOP leaders and legislators in several western states as well as ALEC. Whether we call them Brown Shirts or "Brown Hats" it seems clear he's getting tacit support for his actions and his attitude. It is also very clear that he believes he is connected and protected. He may be right, as well as Right Wing.

Whatever the immediate outcome in Idaho will be, it seems he's off the FBI/DOJ radar for now.

Tumbulu

(6,268 posts)
5. He just gets released again and again and nothing happens.
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 08:55 PM
Apr 2021

And the bail amounts are ridiculously low.

No wonder he thinks that he is immune from any and all consequences.

Wow, so discouraging.

kacekwl

(7,009 posts)
8. So he's like Ottis the drunk.
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 08:59 PM
Apr 2021

Just locks himself up and lets himself out. He should be denied bail at this point and be locked up under the jail. This guy and his whinny group of snowflakes really get my blood up.

jmowreader

(50,522 posts)
17. Andy let him sleep in jail so he wouldn't break any laws
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 09:20 PM
Apr 2021

You know you have no crime when you have two cells in the county and one of them is reserved for the town drunk.

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jmowreader

(50,522 posts)
16. You see that little hand truck they had him on?
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 09:17 PM
Apr 2021

They bought it just for him. The first time they had to haul him off, they had to use cargo straps to secure him to an office chair.

brush

(53,724 posts)
15. There's a little something going on with the brain on that boy.
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 09:13 PM
Apr 2021

How many times does it take for him to be on the wrong side of history to finally get that he's not something special?

Evolve Dammit

(16,689 posts)
19. Not enough deterrent to make a difference in behavior. Isn't that the point of "criminal justice"?
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 09:40 PM
Apr 2021

He has found his hobby. Defying government restrictions of all types for contributions. Another grifter subsidized rancher. High Plains Grifter. Hopefully some judge will apply a meaningful sentence at some point.

Thunderbeast

(3,397 posts)
23. Federal agents in Oregon and Nevada blew it.
Sat Apr 10, 2021, 10:16 PM
Apr 2021

Federal Marshalls overstepped legal authority, and prosecutors went to trial full of hubris. The Bundys walked and were emboldened.

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jmowreader

(50,522 posts)
41. No.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 12:23 PM
Apr 2021

Ted Bundy was born Theodore Cowell and was later adopted by a Johnny Bundy, who had married his mom.

Cliven Bundy started out with that name.

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
45. At least The Oath Keepers will have something to do
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:00 PM
Apr 2021

Recently read an article stating that the Oath Keepers got much of their Fame because of that crazy man. They were originally started by someone from Boston and these are the kind of causes they get high on. It also said they claimed to have tens of thousands of followers, but in reality it's only about five thousand. Sorry, I kind of ended up changing the subject. But let's watch because they might intervene for him.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
46. It is called jury nullification.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:29 PM
Apr 2021

Bundy goes on trial and all it takes is one person on the jury to agree with his wild interpretations of law and he walks.
The thing to remember is that we can do the same thing if they say make abortion illegal. It is why Prohibition failed.
Jury nullification is the citizens final word. All law can be nullified by juries. This is why plea deals are popular with prosecutors.
The trials of the treasonous terrorists who attacked our capital will be interesting. It only takes one repuke on the jury.

PJMcK

(21,985 posts)
47. There's an expression that comes to mind
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:42 PM
Apr 2021

One definition of insanity is to do the same things over and over while expecting different results.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,663 posts)
53. The epitome of privilege....
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 07:31 PM
Apr 2021

Over and over again. I would bet he would stop if he was tazed and beaten and arrested immediately

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