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The Atlantic
@TheAtlantic
People who refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine will put themselves and the people around them at greater risk of sickness and death. They'll also cost the rest of us a bunch of money, @IsaacDovere reports:
Vaccine Refusal Will Come at a CostFor All of Us
People who refuse to get the COVID-19 vaccine will have higher health-care costs. The rest of us will foot the bill.
theatlantic.com
3:10 PM · Apr 10, 2021
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/04/vaccine-refusal-hesitancy-economic-costs/618528/
Imagine its 2026. A man shows up in an emergency room, wheezing. Hes got pneumonia, and its hitting him hard. He tells one of the doctors that he had COVID-19 a few years earlier, in late 2021. He had refused to get vaccinated, and ended up contracting the coronavirus months after most people got their shots. Why did he refuse? Something about politics, or pushing back on government control, or a post he saw on Facebook. He doesnt really remember. His lungs do, though: By the end of the day, hes on a ventilator.
Youll pay for that mans decisions. So will I. We all willin insurance premiums, if he has a plan with your provider, or in tax dollars, if the emergency room he goes to is in a public hospital. The vaccine refusers could cost us billions. Maybe more, over the next few decades, with all the complications they could develop. And we cant do anything about it except hope that more people get their shots than those who say they will right now.
If the 30 percent of Americans who are telling pollsters they wont get vaccinated follow through, the costs of their decisions will pile up. The economy could take longer to get back to full speed, and once it does, it could get shut down again by outbreaks. Variants will continue to spread, and more people will die. Each COVID-19 case requires weeks of costly rehabilitation. Even after the pandemic fades, millions of vaccine refusers could turn into hundreds of thousands of patients who need extra care, should they come down with the disease. Their bet that theyve outsmarted the coronavirus or their insistence that Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates were trying to trick them will not stop them from going to the doctor when theyre having trouble breathing, dealing with extreme fatigue, or struggling with other lasting effects of COVID-19. (A new study found that 34 percent of COVID-19 survivors are diagnosed with a neurological or psychological condition within six months of recovering from the initial illness.)
The economic costs of vaccine refusal arent yet a major part of the political conversation. Thats likely to change as we move past the first year of the pandemic. You have a liberty right, and that unfortunately is imposing on everyone else and their liberty right not to have to pay for your stubbornness. And thats whats maddening, Jay Inslee, the governor of Washington, told me. Inslee is 70, and fully vaccinated. The three-term Democrat was in a good mood because he was on his way to see his baby granddaughter, whom he hadnt hugged in a year. But after what hes gone through since early 2020the first American COVID-19 outbreak and the first explosion of COVID-denialist demonstrations were both in Washingtonhes angry and sad that so many people are refusing to get their shots.
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Hey, how are you doing? I heard you had some kind of health thing, good to see you here!
LisaL
(47,423 posts)We will be immune through vaccination, and anti-vaxxers will eventually get immune (or die) through infection.
dalton99a
(94,113 posts)BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)just heard on CNN.
If the cards are required to do just about anything and to go anywhere people will be in a hurry to get one. Stores, restaurants, gyms, movie theaters, airlines, parties/events, etc. should require them. Period.
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LisaL
(47,423 posts)Once it's fully approved, it can be made mandatory.
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luvtheGWN
(1,343 posts)Work on an mRNA vaccine was started after the SARS outbreak in 2003. Scientists were pretty certain after SARS that a major pandemic would occur, probably early in the 21st century. And we did have a minor one - H1N1, and then a scare about Ebola. There are so many rumours about the Covid vaccines, and the media haven't been very efficient in denouncing/correcting them.
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Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)I'm sure this country could find many vaccine administrators from gun enthusiasts.
Yes, I'm joking!
paleotn
(22,211 posts)paleotn
(22,211 posts)They're not experimental in the classical sense of the word. Stage III trails have shown them all to be about as safe as any officially approved vaccine. At any rate, at this point the benefits outweigh the risks to the point of being ridiculous.
brush
(61,033 posts)in the military. As for the rest of the hesitancy...I don't know. trump did a lot of damage to the nation and it's continuing.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Based on a case Doe vs Rumsfeld- (anthrax vaccine). When a vaccine has not yet gotten final approval from FDA, its against the law to require it for the military.
brush
(61,033 posts)and have been administered to millions of the public. That's no secret.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Easy to check this info out on web.
brush
(61,033 posts)its troops, who follow orders of their superiors, while it's vaccinating millions of the public per week who aren't under any obligation to follow orders?
That makes absolutely no sense.
marie999
(3,334 posts)and now we have veterans on VA disability because of the vaccines.
misanthrope
(9,495 posts)I don't know what the figure is for all branches.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)and it says the just the Marines too, not all branches.
I taught at a school that was just off of a Marine base and it was quite different from when the Navy was the branch that had been using the base before the Marines. The difference in their parents was noticeable.
misanthrope
(9,495 posts)The people I knew who went to Annapolis and West Point were smarter than average but the ones I knew who went to USAFA were pretty brainy.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)in my classroom. Over the years I got to know him fairly well. One day he couldn't make it to my class and the following week he told me why. Apparently a young marine saw a baby snake and wanted to play around with it. It turned out to be a Rattle Snake and the baby ones are more poisonous than the adults. I did not envy his job as a Marine trainer. I thought my 1st graders were difficult and tried my patience but I would never be able to do his job.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)I was bitten by a rattler so I researched all the facts - Contrary to popular belief, the bite of a baby rattlesnake is almost always far less serious than the bite of a larger adult rattlesnake. The notion that baby rattlesnakes cannot control the quantity of venom injected (referred to in the field of Herpetology as venom metering) is a myth that has been disproven multiple times through well-designed studies
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)allnews
(248 posts)Out of the emergency stage as it is now.
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)They work. They've been tested. Millions of folks have been injected.
The FDA has given emergency approvals, but they are approvals none the less.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)Like in school or military until a certain criteria was met.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Needs FDA final approval after all studies are completed.
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)That is one of the differences between an emergency auth and a normal one.
Military personnel cannot be ordered to take it because it is an emergency auth.
If it was a normal one, then orders could possibly be issued, though it would be an extreme situation for that to occur imo.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)They are waiting for second shot. Live in San Antonio which has had a lor of cases. My daughter can't wait for it to be ready for her teens 13 & 15 as they are back in school.
orangecrush
(30,252 posts)Get them the fuck out of the military.
We don't want these mental midgets in there.
orleans
(36,912 posts)womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Only After final FDA approval, can they make these vaccines mandatory for the military
orangecrush
(30,252 posts)Can be changed.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)They get there in the first place
nattyice
(341 posts)Dan
(5,179 posts)But, I would withhold any IRS federal tax refunds until one could provide proof of vaccination.
From what I understand, when you get vaccinated your information is updated on the States database. Crosscheck your federal return with the State where you indicated you were vaccinated. No information, no refund. Then impose a six month period to get the shot once available and then forfeiture of the refund it you havent received it.
But no tax ...
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Yet a whole nother way for manipulated stupidity and fear to weaken a nation 'they' say they want to make great again.
Thanks for the paragraph referring to Inslee. I love that governor.
Dan
(5,179 posts)My one GOP friend dislikes him, but he has kept her safe. I sometimes wonder if she would prefer a GOP governor, but then she does like the freedom that the GOP allows in their states.
Last night, she went to a concert and people were not maintaining the social distance that was required and boy was she complaining...
I give you credit for having a GOP friend. I've tried while living in FL but just can't -- polite, joking, transactional, but friends, no.
Freedom in the red states I've spent any time in, supports all kinds of silly, immature, anti-social, abnormal, don't ask-don't tell behaviors that are not-quite-illegal or civilized.
It's a kind of chimpy darwinian scofflaw freedom where microbes say, 'hold my beer.'
I hope things are healthy and safe in WA these days. That state took a hard hit, but I'm sure Inslee was straight and fair through the past year.
Dan
(5,179 posts)He lacks the charisma (did I spell that right) to be a national figure, but he is a straight shooter, no bullshit.
My friend is a product of her generation, a good heart, recently widowed, sort of influenced by her kids, and I'll leave it at that.
Since we live in the Puget Sound area (western Washington), we really don't have any hard core GOP nuts, a few, but not like Eastern Washington where they are stone cold crazy.
Back in 2008 I drove from Mt Hood, stayed in Portland, then moseyed up the coast (omg the Columbia River!), missed Tacoma to turn at Olympia up toward Port Angeles to ferry over to Vancouver Island (the Bouchert Gardens, wow). It was one of my favorite road trips. Where you live is so beautiful in spite of the crazies around the Spokane-Idaho area.
I hope WA keeps Inslee for a long time. Funny that you mention charisma. I thought he had it, which goes to show its variability, I guess. He was my primary candidate for president before Biden (I started the Inslee for President primary thread) and he had positive support around here, just not in numbers. During the debates I thought he acquitted himself well about climate and other issues, had the best national and international plans to undergird a green new deal, and his record with WA's projects, data and brainpower showed the operability of those plans. I hope, too, that Biden's climate team consults with him.
CaptainTruth
(8,199 posts)I remember a lot of them saying "I don't want to pay for your bad life choices."
Meaning, they thought when millions of people who had medical problems caused by their "bad life choices" got insurance, their rates were going to go up.
Look at where we are now. The situation is exactly reversed & it's going to be US who have to pay for THEIR "bad life choices" (their choice to not get vaccinated).
niyad
(132,440 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(12,217 posts)Let them work out what the likelihood of infection of an unvaxed individual, and what that's likely to cost. Then pass that on.
roamer65
(37,953 posts)That will start happening when the FDA promotes it up off from emergency approval.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,823 posts)Low IQ trump supporters should be prevented from infecting people
JudyM
(29,785 posts)FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)When they figure out that the un-vaxxed rubes are costing them, this is all going to change.
Suddenly it's going to be PATRIOTIC to get vaccinated asap.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)And would save lives to pay people to get the vaccine.