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Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 05:56 PM Apr 2021

after CA town setup tent city despite fierce objections of residents, something remarkable happened

MUST READ Article... about how they setup to the homeless tent village for success



From May to November, Santa Rosa spent $680,000 to supply and manage a tent city at a popular neighborhood community center. The six-month experiment charted a new course for the Northern California city's approach to homeless services. (Angela Hart/KHN/TNSAngela Hart/TNS

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/We-can-t-just-keep-saying-no-What-other-16092380.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-Editors-Picks


The backlash was fierce. For three hours on a Thursday evening in mid-May, Santa Rosa officials defended their plans as hundreds of residents flooded the phone lines to register their discontent. “This is a family neighborhood,” another fumed. “How can we feel safe using our park?” others pleaded.

In Santa Rosa, like so many other communities, strenuous neighborhood objections typically would drive a stake through a proposal for homeless housing and services. Not this time. Elected officials were not asking; they were telling. The project would move ahead.

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Within days, the spacious parking lot at the Finley Community Center was cordoned off with green mesh fencing. Inside, spaced 12 feet apart, were 68 blue tents, each equipped with sleeping bags and storage bin. A neat row of portable toilets lined one side of the encampment, and it was fitted throughout with hand-washing stations and misters for the summer heat.

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Santa Rosa’s tent city opened May 18. And, not too long after, something remarkable happened. Finley Park residents stopped protesting and started dropping off donations of goods — food, clothing, hand sanitizer. The tennis and pickleball courts, an afternoon favorite for retirees, were bustling again. Parents and kids once more crowded the nearby playground.

Several area residents said they changed their mind about the project because of the way the site was managed.

“I was amazed I never saw anything negative at all,” said Boyd Edwards, who plays pickleball at the Finley Community Center a few times a week.

“I thought they were going to be noisy and have crap all over the place. Now, they can have it all year round for all I care,” said his friend Joseph Gernhardt.

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after CA town setup tent city despite fierce objections of residents, something remarkable happened (Original Post) Demovictory9 Apr 2021 OP
who would have thought that caring for your fellow citizens would create a better community... Layzeebeaver Apr 2021 #1
+1! tecelote Apr 2021 #38
Sending this to some city people that I know. JanMichael Apr 2021 #2
What's the water main thing? lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #41
This is a version JanMichael Apr 2021 #45
Oh wow - those would resist fire, flood, earthquake... lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #46
way cool. AllaN01Bear Apr 2021 #3
OMG!!! You mean homeless people are actual Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #4
We are way overdue for stopping the NIMBY folk getting in the way of progress. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2021 #5
Great news! Thanks! Karadeniz Apr 2021 #6
Maybe we should try all other things Jesus talked about in His Sermon on the Mount. rickyhall Apr 2021 #7
Blessed are the Cheesemakers... Probatim Apr 2021 #42
This is good news.. mountain grammy Apr 2021 #8
The City just north of me here in Oregon leftieNanner Apr 2021 #9
The article is inspiring sheshe2 Apr 2021 #10
The most urgent thing homeless people need is a place to go to the bathroom. SunSeeker Apr 2021 #11
It's so simple. Delmette2.0 Apr 2021 #13
California beach city I lived in, all the businesses put up "bathroom broken" signs to thwart Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #15
Yup, in my beach city, businesses call the cops on the homeless. SunSeeker Apr 2021 #32
Great point. I so hope other communities learn from this LymphocyteLover Apr 2021 #26
indeed. a little compassion goes a long way Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #40
K & R for loving our neighbors malaise Apr 2021 #12
Isn't it amazing that the RW moans about democrats endlessly, and others such as the SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #14
K&R MustLoveBeagles Apr 2021 #16
Doing the right thing SAVES MONEY! Mopar151 Apr 2021 #17
Sonoma County in Northern California. Probably won't happen in Orange County.... RussellCattle Apr 2021 #18
Example of what happens when government funds something rpannier Apr 2021 #19
Those who dropped off donations weren't the same ones who protested FakeNoose Apr 2021 #20
Only partly true soldierant Apr 2021 #31
Sounds like the bulk of the money is going to "management" TexasBushwhacker Apr 2021 #21
That's great! Thanks for sharing! nt reACTIONary Apr 2021 #43
I believe (and maybe I'm naive) that governments must fund, equip and supervise some lindysalsagal Apr 2021 #22
Amazing what can happen Mr. Evil Apr 2021 #23
This is Heartwarming.. TY! Cha Apr 2021 #24
Happy it worked out Tree Lady Apr 2021 #25
I actually stopped and watched this place for awhile one day Sympthsical Apr 2021 #27
must have been cool to witness Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #39
The homeless situation in this country must be addressed.... Upthevibe Apr 2021 #28
Kick and Rec berniesandersmittens Apr 2021 #29
The Republican Jeebus would not approve nt. Pluvious Apr 2021 #30
The homeless were there all along DBoon Apr 2021 #33
What an uplifting story! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #34
More info from the local paper NullTuples Apr 2021 #35
Thank you.for the additional info Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #37
This speaks well of Santa Rosa. byronius Apr 2021 #36
The 8pm curfew... cannabis_flower Apr 2021 #44

JanMichael

(24,885 posts)
2. Sending this to some city people that I know.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:14 PM
Apr 2021

Last edited Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I was pushing for something like the French (Paris?) river bank shelter or 6' or 8' water main with a coded key door program years ago. That's a fixed unit version of this.

Great idea and thanks for posting.

JanMichael

(24,885 posts)
45. This is a version
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:04 PM
Apr 2021
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/238127899017144150/

Somewhere in France they buried these about halfway into the side of a river bank and have digital keys that homeless people can just get the code and spend as much time as they want in them. They are very durabl.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
46. Oh wow - those would resist fire, flood, earthquake...
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 10:05 AM
Apr 2021

Cool!

Might want to add some insulation, and could really take it in a few directions....

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
4. OMG!!! You mean homeless people are actual
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:24 PM
Apr 2021

human beings? Who would’a thunk? Glad leadership actually led and pushed this through. Nice the community responded in kind.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,588 posts)
5. We are way overdue for stopping the NIMBY folk getting in the way of progress.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:27 PM
Apr 2021

This town figured it out!

Good for them.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
7. Maybe we should try all other things Jesus talked about in His Sermon on the Mount.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:33 PM
Apr 2021

And The Buddha had some great ideas even before that.

Probatim

(2,525 posts)
42. Blessed are the Cheesemakers...
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:43 AM
Apr 2021

I think he meant producers of dairy products in general.

One of the best scenes from the Life of Brian. The immediate interpretations of the "literal words" of Jesus is missed on a lot of people.

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
9. The City just north of me here in Oregon
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:36 PM
Apr 2021

Has a terrible homeless problem. Drugs, filth, fires, crime, and two murders recently. Wish they would do something like this.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
11. The most urgent thing homeless people need is a place to go to the bathroom.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:39 PM
Apr 2021

This tent city gave them that.

Unfortunately, many places restrict use of bathrooms to paying customers, and parks are closed dusk to dawn. So homeless people are left with no choice but to urinate and defecate wherever they can, in alleys and doorways. But if you treat the homeless like human beings, they act like human beings. Because they are human beings


Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
15. California beach city I lived in, all the businesses put up "bathroom broken" signs to thwart
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:53 PM
Apr 2021

the homeless. which meant they concentrated around the mcdonalds who employed a security guard to check the bathrooms.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
32. Yup, in my beach city, businesses call the cops on the homeless.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 10:47 PM
Apr 2021

So it forces the homeless to live like animals, peeing behind bushes, etc. And it turns into a vicious cycle, they get arrested for public urination, they get a record, making it even harder to get a job, so they can never afford an apartment.

Voltaire2

(13,009 posts)
40. indeed. a little compassion goes a long way
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:32 AM
Apr 2021

but our society has decided that compassion signals weakness and must be avoided.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
14. Isn't it amazing that the RW moans about democrats endlessly, and others such as the
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:53 PM
Apr 2021

setting of camps like this, all to help fellow Americans, and be christian? Somehow among all of the name calling, all of the hypocrisy, the republicans had morphed into the party of hate, especially against immigrants, who helped create the US/America to begin w/?

This tent city story is amazing and has such a feel good about humanity aura about it.

Clearly shows that good things happen when people reach out to help one another, instead of one party mocking and moaning about what democrats are doing, to help their fellow citizens.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
20. Those who dropped off donations weren't the same ones who protested
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 07:57 PM
Apr 2021

I feel bad that those "tent people" are having to sit in tents that are out in the hot sun. Why couldn't the tents be set up in a cooler shadier area of the park? But be that as it may, this is a humanitarian effort that the entire community can and should support.

Nice job, Santa Rosa!

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
31. Only partly true
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 10:25 PM
Apr 2021

As least one resident specifically stated he thought there would be a lot of bad things happening, and specifically donated because bad things didn't happen.

And not everyone is capable of admitting in words that they were wrong.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,174 posts)
21. Sounds like the bulk of the money is going to "management"
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 08:07 PM
Apr 2021

$680K for 68 tent set ups and some porta potties. That's $10K per tent. While I commend anyone for actually DOING SOMETHING to help the homeless, this seems like a lot of dough for a temporary solution. That is fine, but the needs of the temporarily homeless and the chronically homeless are very different. I like what they are doing in Austin for the chronically homeless.

https://mlf.org/community-first/

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
22. I believe (and maybe I'm naive) that governments must fund, equip and supervise some
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 08:12 PM
Apr 2021

kind of living situation for everyone. But it requires supervision, and it requires that participants follow community rules.

They need basic food, shelter, and sanitary facilities.

I'd assume it would be best if there were family locations where adults would bring their kids, and adults without kids would go elsewhere, making a safe place for kids, and also providing transportation to school.

I'd like to see young adult facilities for those who still need help getting jobs and training, They should be staffed well so hopefully those people can leave the system.

We should also have addiction treatment available.

Tree Lady

(11,451 posts)
25. Happy it worked out
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 08:27 PM
Apr 2021

I am from there, asked my grandson on our chat and he didn't know about it but lives in another side of town. I used to take my kids then grandkids there. Its a nice park with 2 swimming pools and great area for BBQ and volleyball.

They must have used one of the two parking lots. Both sides can be full in summer so some might have been upset about that.

Looks like they are keeping it clean.

Sympthsical

(9,072 posts)
27. I actually stopped and watched this place for awhile one day
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 08:58 PM
Apr 2021

My partner had work stuff to do in Santa Rosa for several hours, and I was bored and went along. We were right by this place. It took me awhile to figure out exactly what it was. It was very clean and organized. It also had security and what looked like social services moving around, handing things out, organizing, etc.

Santa Rosa's having problems. As the Bay Area gets more gentrified and real estate values go sky high with limited land and the vast wealth of Silicon Valley, more and more poor and working class families have been forced to move farther and farther away. Santa Rosa has had quite an influx of people the last few years who need all kinds of help. That's why the city is grappling with solutions and trying to implement new ideas.

They have to at this point. Too many people need help, especially with the pandemic aggravating what was already a fairly significant migration of the lower incomes.

Upthevibe

(8,038 posts)
28. The homeless situation in this country must be addressed....
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 09:11 PM
Apr 2021

I don't know if this would work in all the various areas of homelessness in Los Angeles but something needs to be done.

Thank you for the uplifting post and story.

DBoon

(22,356 posts)
33. The homeless were there all along
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 10:48 PM
Apr 2021

The tent city did not create a homeless camp. There always was a homeless "camp", just not so visible.

Amazingly, you treat the homeless like human beings most will respond like human beings.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
34. What an uplifting story!
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 10:53 PM
Apr 2021

Our local governments, in partnership with senior levels of government are spending MILLIONS to buy, renovate and furnish whole apartment buildings and motels. Their aim is not to keep the homeless in a holding pattern, albeit much more comfortably, but to HOME them.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
35. More info from the local paper
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 11:31 PM
Apr 2021

39 people showed up (that's not bad):
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/city-sponsored-homeless-camp-at-finley-community-center-draws-dozens-of-res/

The county opened a second site out in Guerneville (geographically, a completely different area) for a total of 5:
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/camp-for-homeless-opens-in-guerneville-offering-refuge-to-25-people-during/

They were also housing about 75 people at a local hotel & had plans to move the people at Finley to a 70 bed shelter:

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/santa-rosa-plans-new-shelter-for-60-people-at-samuel-jones-hall/

When it closed, 51 went from Finley to the hotel (and plenty more details of the year):

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/santa-rosa-on-track-to-spend-more-than-7-4-million-on-sheltering-homeless/

And there's been an ongoing campaign to vaccinate them:

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-county-health-providers-launch-mobile-vaccination-campaign-for-homel/

Flip side, they've also been clearing out all the ad hoc homeless encampments (not everyone is able to live in a regimented, structured environment):

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-county-human-rights-panel-condemns-homeless-camp-sweeps/

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/joe-rodota-trail-closed-to-clear-new-homeless-encampment-west-of-santa-rosa/

And near year end there was a bit of an implosion:
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-countys-regional-homeless-agency-reboots-after-governance-setbacks/



cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
44. The 8pm curfew...
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:57 PM
Apr 2021

might keep a lot of people from taking advantage of this program. When I was about 27 I had to live in a shelter for about a month. Then I got a job where I had to work until 11. I wasn’t really ready to move out but I couldn’t take the job without moving out. I ended up in a situation that was less than ideal. I hope the curfew has some exceptions to allow people to get jobs.

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