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Every woman's right to choose is protected for the next few years. (Original Post) Kath2 Apr 2021 OP
I hope you're right...but with *this* Supreme Court...? First Speaker Apr 2021 #1
Unfortunately, I agree... regnaD kciN Apr 2021 #9
Very well thought out Kath2 Apr 2021 #12
If they did make a "natural law" ruling and ban all abortions nationally... First Speaker Apr 2021 #22
Why isn't medical information about a woman's pregnancy covered by HIPAA? Walleye Apr 2021 #2
I thought it was. Kath2 Apr 2021 #3
Then how do they expect to enforce anti-abortion laws, is always my question Walleye Apr 2021 #4
Current federal rules are pro-choice. Kath2 Apr 2021 #5
But what do they expect to do? Investigate every miscarriage as a crime? Walleye Apr 2021 #6
That is exactly what the fanatics intend to do. They keep trying & trying to get those laws passed Hekate Apr 2021 #23
I can't figure out what hypothetical you're working on here. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #7
If a woman has a miscarriage how do they prove it's an abortion Walleye Apr 2021 #8
It depends on the laws, but it would require reporting from healthcare providers. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #11
I just think they want to make the laws and they haven't thought about enforcing them at all Walleye Apr 2021 #14
That's exactly what they do -- make laws and then hope they stick so they can go all the way WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #15
It is, but HIPAA can be overcome with a warrant dsc Apr 2021 #16
SCOTUS ruling on Roe v Wade challenge due in June Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #10
reproductive rights....... gun control IcyPeas Apr 2021 #13
Gun control got a big push when the Black Panthers started arming themselves. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #17
Absolutely perfect! Kath2 Apr 2021 #18
Not in all states and not in all medical settings and not by all pharmacists Hekate Apr 2021 #19
I am WOKE, my dear. Kath2 Apr 2021 #20
Good, then be aware of the shrinking number of local non-religious hospitals... Hekate Apr 2021 #25
Choice doesn't equal access. The one in five people of reproductive age and ability who are on WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #21
I think Texas closed down every abortion clinic in the state but one quite a few years ago... Hekate Apr 2021 #26
Some weird shit going on in this thread. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #27
Couple of threads, actually Hekate Apr 2021 #28
Agree. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #29
Unfortunate that's only part of the equation FreeState Apr 2021 #24

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
1. I hope you're right...but with *this* Supreme Court...?
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 08:14 PM
Apr 2021

...I think the whole issue is very volatile and uncertain.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
9. Unfortunately, I agree...
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 08:50 PM
Apr 2021

It might have been safe, if RBG had lived long enough to allow Biden to replace her. But, with Barrett now on the court, things are anything but sure. If the current court overturns Roe, even if they don't invoke "natural law" in their decision to declare that all "unborn children" have an equal status to the already-born (thus automatically making all abortions homicide) -- which I personally expect them to do -- you still won't be able to get any relief through federal law, as Republicans will be able to filibuster any such bill. That leaves it up to each state, and there are "pro-life" majorities in most state legislatures. And, even if your state isn't one of them, most states (unlike Washington, where I live) never bothered to codify abortion rights themselves, because Roe covered it for them. That means that, should Roe be overturned, the laws in those states will automatically revert to where they were as of 1972 which, in most cases, means that abortion would be re-outlawed unless the legislature enacts new ones. And you can count that, even in many "progressive" states, the Religious Right might be able to exert a strong lobbying effort to prevent such an occurrence, as a lot of state legislators, even if their personal position is pro-choice, might not want to allow themselves to be painted as a "baby-killer" in the next campaign.

So, yeah, I'd say "very volatile and uncertain" is probably an understatement, if anything.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
22. If they did make a "natural law" ruling and ban all abortions nationally...
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 11:05 PM
Apr 2021

...it would be the most divisive ruling since Dred Scott. It would pull the country apart, even more than it is now. I think it would lead to state governments in the blue states openly ignoring a Supreme Court ruling, and it would certainly be a major test for Biden. Conservatives would taunt liberals for hypocrisy, comparing them to the segregationists defying the Court after Brown v Board of Education. The possibility of mischief such a ruling would unleash is unimaginable. I personally feel the country might not survive the controversy--literally not survive. Returning it to the states would be bad enough. This would be a total disaster.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
23. That is exactly what the fanatics intend to do. They keep trying & trying to get those laws passed
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:49 AM
Apr 2021

If a woman who miscarries goes to her doctor, he is supposed to report it and to assign a “reason” for the miscarriage. HIPAA be damned — we are talking a potential murder charge here. She is to be investigated. The product of a miscarriage at any stage is to be cremated or buried, and the woman is to pay for it.

They are merciless, fanatical, and they mean it.

All those personhood laws that get passed in the heels of some awful crime where a pregnant woman gets shot in the belly — making it a two-fer on the murder charge — those are pretty much Step One.

Walleye

(31,022 posts)
8. If a woman has a miscarriage how do they prove it's an abortion
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 08:45 PM
Apr 2021

Wouldn’t they have to get her medical records.?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,337 posts)
11. It depends on the laws, but it would require reporting from healthcare providers.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 08:54 PM
Apr 2021

They would report a miscarriage, and then whoever is in charge of prosecuting would decide whether to order an investigation of the person who had a miscarriage. As with all restrictive laws, it would be exercised inequitably.

HIPAA also doesn't cover every healthcare provider.

Walleye

(31,022 posts)
14. I just think they want to make the laws and they haven't thought about enforcing them at all
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 09:10 PM
Apr 2021

When was the last time a woman was arrested in this country for having an abortion?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,337 posts)
15. That's exactly what they do -- make laws and then hope they stick so they can go all the way
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 09:12 PM
Apr 2021

to the Supreme Court.

But people have been incarcerated in this country for miscarrying.

dsc

(52,161 posts)
16. It is, but HIPAA can be overcome with a warrant
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 09:13 PM
Apr 2021

and if abortion were a crime then cops would get warrants to conduct investigations of it, just like they do with other crimes.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
25. Good, then be aware of the shrinking number of local non-religious hospitals...
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:53 AM
Apr 2021

The Roman Catholic church is stepping in to help, which is all well and good unless you are a woman in need of the full spectrum of female medical care.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,337 posts)
21. Choice doesn't equal access. The one in five people of reproductive age and ability who are on
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 10:47 PM
Apr 2021

Medicaid have a different kind of choice.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
26. I think Texas closed down every abortion clinic in the state but one quite a few years ago...
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:56 AM
Apr 2021

By now they have a Third World level of maternal mortality.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
24. Unfortunate that's only part of the equation
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:52 AM
Apr 2021

There are girls and women who now/soon can not get life saving healthcare in 19 states. Women’s healthcare and choice is more than just abortion rights. Any weakening of healthcare for women leads to more rights being taken.

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