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Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 01:11 PM Apr 2021

Now theyre saying the shooting of a 20 yr old black man in Minneapolis was accidental.



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Now theyre saying the shooting of a 20 yr old black man in Minneapolis was accidental. Supposedly they believe the officer was going for his taser & grabbed his gun instead

I just can’t

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Now theyre saying the shooting of a 20 yr old black man in Minneapolis was accidental. (Original Post) Nevilledog Apr 2021 OP
"Taser taser taser!...Oh shit, I just shot him." WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #1
No way you can mistake a gun for a taser once it's in your hand Nevilledog Apr 2021 #4
Psychology may have an answer to that. NutmegYankee Apr 2021 #23
Base that on what? Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #29
Size, shape, weight... Nevilledog Apr 2021 #33
If a cop can't tell the difference between a taser and a gun iemanja Apr 2021 #2
This particular officer is a woman. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #5
No words malaise Apr 2021 #3
Someone just asked the police chief if the officer has since commited suicide agalisgv Apr 2021 #6
Yes, there are rumors that she has. (She has not.) WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #9
If she mistook her gun for that Head-On stuff, then probably. Aristus Apr 2021 #14
they lost any credibility lots of dead people ago... stillcool Apr 2021 #7
If I had a nickel for every time.... I wouldn't have ANY nickels, FFS!!! Comfortably_Numb Apr 2021 #8
Fruitvale Station Sneederbunk Apr 2021 #10
Aren't guns and tasers a lot different in their grip? Takket Apr 2021 #11
Right? Nevilledog Apr 2021 #12
Of course. The weight difference alone should have been a huge tipoff. nt crickets Apr 2021 #15
If police officers can't tell the difference agalisgv Apr 2021 #20
Revolvers don't have a safety and many semi autos doc03 Apr 2021 #16
Now that's a versatile excuse! struggle4progress Apr 2021 #13
that last one is a keeper stillcool Apr 2021 #19
My guess is that the police are watching the Chauvin trial.... TheRealNorth Apr 2021 #17
The body cam shows him yelling taser taser taser before firing Cicada Apr 2021 #18
She did not mean to shoot him, the video makes it clear. nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #21
It was the police chief who said this is what he believed malaise Apr 2021 #22
Other then the officer's body cam audio recording. Kaleva Apr 2021 #25
You mean Oh shit I shot him malaise Apr 2021 #26
"I'll Tase you! I'll Tase you! Taser! Taser! Taser!" Kaleva Apr 2021 #27
I agree 100% with what you're saying here. sammythecat Apr 2021 #36
It's similar to "buck fever" which happens to some deer hunters Kaleva Apr 2021 #37
A lot of things can happen during a stressful situation Kaleva Apr 2021 #24
Women without the physical strength to subdue male suspects should not be patrol cops. Klaralven Apr 2021 #28
I would love to hear how you're going to decide that. Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #30
Have them subdue a fit, 6' 2", 220 lb unarmed combat training officer. Klaralven Apr 2021 #31
Really really stupid idea! Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #32
If police cannot use weapons, then they need to be highly proficient in martial arts. Klaralven Apr 2021 #34
Ridiculous, you would never get enough people to meet that criteria. USALiberal Apr 2021 #35
That 6'2" 220 lb combat training officer should be fired Kaleva Apr 2021 #38

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
23. Psychology may have an answer to that.
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:10 PM
Apr 2021

Similar to several plane crashes caused by pilots pulling the wrong lever or shutting down the wrong engine, sometimes the brain ignores information when it is overloaded. Her focus could have been on whether a gun would come out from the car interior and muscle memory grabbed the wrong object.

The airline industry has several examples of this type of mistake. A young man is still dead, but I can understand how this might have not been intentional.

Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
33. Size, shape, weight...
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:36 PM
Apr 2021

Taser has a digital screen, safety mechanisms are different.

Plus, you'd have to crossdraw to get the taser.



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Comments are interesting, also:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2021/04/12/a-quick-word-on-what-we-know-about-the-police-shooting-of-daunte-wright/?updated=1618261360#comment-8140066

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
2. If a cop can't tell the difference between a taser and a gun
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 01:13 PM
Apr 2021

He's incompetent and therefore unfit for duty.

agalisgv

(148 posts)
6. Someone just asked the police chief if the officer has since commited suicide
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 01:16 PM
Apr 2021

Odd question to ask if it is not true. Guess there are a lot of rumors going around.

Aristus

(66,369 posts)
14. If she mistook her gun for that Head-On stuff, then probably.
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 01:36 PM
Apr 2021

If one can't tell a gun from everything else that isn't a gun, one is not long for this world.

Unfortunately, neither is anyone who comes within shooting distance...

Takket

(21,568 posts)
11. Aren't guns and tasers a lot different in their grip?
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 01:18 PM
Apr 2021

If you grabbed a gun wouldn’t you know by the feel it isn’t a taser? And wouldn’t you have to release a safety on the gun before firing it?

Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
12. Right?
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 01:21 PM
Apr 2021


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How the fuck do you even mistake your own gun for your taser?

Location on hip - different
Weight - different
Grip - different
Visual shape - different
Color scheme - different
Lethality - irreversibly DIFFERENT!

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@eriatarrka
An officer shot and killed a 20 year old black man thinking she grabbed her taser.

Holy shit, Minneapolis. Stay strong.
10:16 AM · Apr 12, 2021

agalisgv

(148 posts)
20. If police officers can't tell the difference
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 07:47 PM
Apr 2021

then changes definitely need to be made to tasers. How about a fuzzy handle? Color of bright neon pink? The possibilities are endless. Unless they want them to look exactly like guns for intimidation tactics.

doc03

(35,337 posts)
16. Revolvers don't have a safety and many semi autos
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:44 PM
Apr 2021

don't have a safety. I bet it is much more likely the taser had a safety than a gun.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
13. Now that's a versatile excuse!
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 01:31 PM
Apr 2021

"I was in my car, reaching for my license and registration, and I accidentally pulled out my gun and shot the highway patrol"

"I was in the park, reaching for some spare change, and I accidentally pulled out my gun and shot the pan-handler"

"I walked up to the urinal in the men's room, reached down, accidentally pulled out my gun, and shot the guy standing next to me"





TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
17. My guess is that the police are watching the Chauvin trial....
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:55 PM
Apr 2021

And they realize that days of getting a friendly prosecutor are over (at least while Keith Ellison is AG), and their best bet is to go with incompetence.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
18. The body cam shows him yelling taser taser taser before firing
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 03:06 PM
Apr 2021

Humans make errors. That’s why my friend Dave said Left knee, left knee, left knee.... before his anesthetics knocked him out.

malaise

(268,998 posts)
26. You mean Oh shit I shot him
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:05 PM
Apr 2021

Guns kill and if she didn't know which was which she shouldn't have that job - a reckless homicide from any angle.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
27. "I'll Tase you! I'll Tase you! Taser! Taser! Taser!"
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:14 PM
Apr 2021

"“I’ll Tase you! I’ll Tase you! Taser! Taser! Taser!” the officer is heard shouting on her body cam footage released at a news conference. She draws her weapon after the man breaks free from police outside his car and gets back behind the wheel.

After firing a single shot from her handgun, the car speeds away, and the officer is heard saying, “Holy (expletive)! I shot him.”"

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minnesota-police-shoot-kill-man-traffic-stop-incident-77013203

My guess is that the officer did not receive adequate training or possibly was not up to the task even with training. Sadly, often the only way one finds out a person is incompetent after training is when bad shit happens.


Several things can happen during a stressful situation:

Tunnel vision

Auditory exclusion

Sensory exclusion

I'm only guessing here but it may be that sensory exclusion came into play and the officer couldn't tell she was holding her service pistol instead of her taser. Something that extensive training most likely would have prevented from happening. But I'm just guessing.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
36. I agree 100% with what you're saying here.
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:20 PM
Apr 2021

Why some here can't seem to understand this is totally beyond me. Things like this can happen. The victim is dead, there is no fixing that, and the "perpetrator" is devastated. Just a horrible tragedy.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
37. It's similar to "buck fever" which happens to some deer hunters
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:33 AM
Apr 2021

A worst case situation is where a hunter confuses another hunter wearing orange with being a big buck and shoots the other hunter.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
24. A lot of things can happen during a stressful situation
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:50 PM
Apr 2021

Tunnel vision

Auditory exclusion

Sensory exclusion

It's why i don't carry out in public. I have neither the desire or see the need to become so highly trained to the point where I'd feel that there would be almost no chance of me making a bad decision with a gun in a stressful situation.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
34. If police cannot use weapons, then they need to be highly proficient in martial arts.
Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:39 PM
Apr 2021

They need to have better foot speed and better hand-to-hand combat skills than the suspects.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
38. That 6'2" 220 lb combat training officer should be fired
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:36 AM
Apr 2021

If any PO on the street can physically subdue him.

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