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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,956 posts)
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 08:52 PM Apr 2021

Another cruise line will require vaccines; DeSantis says no

SilverSea Cruises became the second major cruise line to announce it will require COVID-19 vaccinations for all passengers when it resumes global itineraries on June 5.

The decision could set up a confrontation with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis when the luxury cruise line is scheduled to sail from Port Everglades in December.

DeSantis’ press office on Monday asserted that his recent executive order barring businesses from requiring proof of vaccinated customers extends to cruise lines operating in Florida.

“The Governor’s Executive Order provides that businesses in Florida are prohibited from requiring patrons or customers to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-transmission recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the business,” press secretary Cody McCloud said by email. “Therefore, the Executive Order prohibits cruise lines from requiring vaccine passports for their Florida operations.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/another-cruise-line-require-vaccines-012600407.html

Well I guess they'll operate out of a more accommodating state if that's the case.

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Another cruise line will require vaccines; DeSantis says no (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2021 OP
come to seattle.. I've cruised the heck out of Alaska..need a change of scenery.. samnsara Apr 2021 #1
O.K. then call it a vaccine report card. Or, a vaccine bumper sticker, tag, medallion, plate or... machoneman Apr 2021 #2
He's my governor Deuxcents Apr 2021 #3
Wonder how accommodating Florida is stillcool Apr 2021 #4
It's a big fat part of the economy... Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #23
This will get interesting. Wonder if cruise lines will challenge in court? FloridaBlues Apr 2021 #5
FUCK HIM My cruise from last year was postponed to this year. Last week got postponed to next yea demtenjeep Apr 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #7
It is hit and miss genxlib Apr 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #13
FDA Emergency Use vs full approval Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #25
Pharma Research Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #33
Why shouldn't a private company be allowed to implement reasonable safety measures? Bleacher Creature Apr 2021 #8
Doesn't sound like the free market. keithbvadu2 Apr 2021 #17
It's not the free market Volaris Apr 2021 #29
the 'free market' is a myth, for instance.... Celerity Apr 2021 #27
Free enterprise Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #31
Maybe the insurance carrier for the cruise line no_hypocrisy Apr 2021 #9
How could he enforce that? TxGuitar Apr 2021 #10
Aren't cruise lines private businesses? csziggy Apr 2021 #19
Their boat. Their rules. C_U_L8R Apr 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #26
There are other Southern cruise ship ports like New Orleans and Savannah Arazi Apr 2021 #14
Yep, pretty sure Mobile also has cruise ship ports Luciferous Apr 2021 #22
Wait until he finds out how many cruise lines are operated by foreign countries. Initech Apr 2021 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author drmeow Apr 2021 #21
we'll see about this.... bahboo Apr 2021 #16
planning a trip to ireland. want to cruise home. mopinko Apr 2021 #18
Hold it. He signed an EO banning businesses from running their business? underpants Apr 2021 #20
Where's the crowd bleating about how eExCuTIve oRdeRs aRE nOT lAw! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #30
Florida governor: sick passengers on cruise ship cannot be 'dumped' here (3/30/20) struggle4progress Apr 2021 #32

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
2. O.K. then call it a vaccine report card. Or, a vaccine bumper sticker, tag, medallion, plate or...
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 08:56 PM
Apr 2021

...another name. Problem solved!

Deuxcents

(16,197 posts)
3. He's my governor
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:01 PM
Apr 2021

He’s a t wanna be.. I hope he is not as important as he thinks he is. On the other hand..who..in their right mind wants to get aboard a floating Petri dish? What about ports of call?what are their requirements?

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
23. It's a big fat part of the economy...
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 10:43 PM
Apr 2021

The Cruise lines want this for their own liability. DeSantis can not ban a private company from protecting itself, its employees, or its customers. Is he going to ban the airlines using Florida airport from asking for proof of vaccination?

Once the vaccines are no longer just for Emergency use, and fully approved, they'll be required. Duke, Rutgers, and other universities are already insisting on vaccines for returning students.

He can't decide bars can't demand proof of age, or that police can't demand proof of ID, that Costco has to open to non members, too. Nope.

I already have almost zero interest in Florida. Not only would I never take a cruise out of Miami, I wouldn't fly through a Florida airport. The cruise lines will not become floating death pits for that clown.



FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
5. This will get interesting. Wonder if cruise lines will challenge in court?
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:08 PM
Apr 2021

This will hit them in pocketbook with minimal people wanting to sail with 2000 other people closed in the ship.
Why is this jerk doing this to business!
Perhaps this is why Florida is the highest in variant covid cases.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
6. FUCK HIM My cruise from last year was postponed to this year. Last week got postponed to next yea
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:12 PM
Apr 2021

Mama is NOT pleased in the least

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Response to genxlib (Reply #11)

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
24. FDA Emergency Use vs full approval
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 10:52 PM
Apr 2021

Methinks once the FDA has sufficient data, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and possibly the Astra Zeneca will be fully approved--not just for emergencies, but for routine disease prevention.

Then, public schools can mandate COVID vaccines like we do with MMR, chicken pox, polio, tetanus and other vaccines we get as babies and toddlers.

The six women with rare blood clots from the J&J vaccine are evidence that the CDC oversight and the drug company's phase 4 safety trials are working. Over six million doses, and just six adverse event reports involving blood clots. Whatever risk factors those women share can then be taken into consideration when choosing or recommending vaccines.

That we have more than one vax and options is a testament to science, not politics.

Response to Claire Oh Nette (Reply #24)

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
28. Pharma Research
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM
Apr 2021

Clinical Research Assistant for Syntex (later Roche), ALZA, and a biotech called Scios in Palo Alto, CA after college in the Clinton years. Interviewed with Don Francis at Genentech, he of "And the Band Played On" and AIDS research fame.

Lot of consent form language and investigator contracts and correspondence with the FDA on phase 2 and 3 clinical trials. And lots of time spent going to lunch in downtown Palo Alto.

I have weirdly esoteric knowledge clusters. I left pharma behind for the fame, fortune, and sheer glamour of middle school language arts.

Response to Claire Oh Nette (Reply #28)

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
8. Why shouldn't a private company be allowed to implement reasonable safety measures?
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:20 PM
Apr 2021

I'm so old I remember when the GOP used to pretend to be for free enterprise.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
29. It's not the free market
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM
Apr 2021

It's the market republicans want cause they think it will make they're re election numbers look better.

If I were the cruise line industry, I would build my own airport and dock ten miles north of the florida state line, and fuck this fool. He and his economy can wave as we sail right past their hotels and beaches and stores.

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
27. the 'free market' is a myth, for instance....
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM
Apr 2021
The Triumph of Conservatism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900-1916

https://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Conservatism-Reinterpretation-American-1900-1916/dp/0029166500

The Triumph of Conservativism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900 - 1916_, subtitled "A radically new interpretation of the Progressive Era which argues that business leaders, and not the reformers, inspired the era's legislation regulating business", published in 1963 by the Free Press, by economic historian Gabriel Kolko, is a radical new interpretation of the reforms of the Progressive Era which attempts to show that the leaders of big business and not the reformers sought to regulate business to counteract the effects of competition and economic decentralization and to achieve concentration and monopoly.

Gabriel Kolko (1932 - 2014) is a leading historian who has made an extensive study and reinterpretation of economic regulation and American militarism and was frequently associated with the New Left. Kolko's claims challenge the conventional wisdom which see business leaders as promoters of laissez-faire economics, by arguing instead that business leaders sought to regulate business so as to concentrate their power and avoid competition. This behaviour has been termed "corporatism", but Kolko defines it to be "political capitalism" in this work. This book will focus primarily on the role of such business leaders and the corporations in the furthering of their interests through the power of the state.

In another work, _Railroads and Regulation: 1877 - 1916_ (1965), Kolko focuses on the situation with the railroad monopolies so that is left out of this work. Kolko maintains that progressivism rather than being a fundamental movement for reform was actually a conservative movement aimed at furthering the goals of big business and for this reason he refers to the triumph of regulation as the "triumph of conservativism" and the "triumph of political capitalism". This book remains important for what it shows about the true nature of regulation and who really desires it. It can be seen that through regulation the corporations and monopolies are able to stifle competition and in that manner assure their continuing dominance.

snip

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
31. Free enterprise
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:33 PM
Apr 2021

another euphemism for build my fortune on free labor until they made me pay a minimum wage....

Free from tax liability, regulation, oversight, ethics, or responsibility of any kind.

GOP = Robber Barons = Slave holders = Royalists = feudal lords

Twas ever thus.

Democratic Party needs to do a massive education campaign about labor history (absent from the standards, oddly enough), marginal taxation, and economic policy so that poor people vote for their current economic situation and stop voting against their own interests in preparation for when they win the lottery or make their millions. Yes, there are almost 20 million millionaires. But 20/330 =

TxGuitar

(4,190 posts)
10. How could he enforce that?
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:22 PM
Apr 2021

Have cops arrest ship captains? Block the gangway so people can't get on? Absolute madness.
And anyone who would get on a cruise ship with unvaccinated passengers is nuts.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
19. Aren't cruise lines private businesses?
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:38 PM
Apr 2021

And can't private businesses set their own requirements on their own property? Besides, I don't think there is a single cruise lines that flies American flags or are owned by American corporations.

Now, the ports may be owned by Florida companies - but I believe they are leased by the cruise lines so see above.

DeSantis is shooting himself in the foot with this one - the Florida tourist industry is desperate for the business. Cruise lines are, too. But the cruise lines do not have to do what DeSantis says. They can always go to other ports to pick up passengers.

Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #12)

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
14. There are other Southern cruise ship ports like New Orleans and Savannah
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:29 PM
Apr 2021

Just because they've typically gone out of Florida doesn't mean they can't easily switch to another regional port.

Hope they play hardball

Initech

(100,068 posts)
15. Wait until he finds out how many cruise lines are operated by foreign countries.
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:31 PM
Apr 2021

And some of them might require vaccine passports on entry! Nobody tell him!

Response to Initech (Reply #15)

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
18. planning a trip to ireland. want to cruise home.
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:32 PM
Apr 2021

got my shots, but no way i would go halfway around the world in a petri dish til someone can prove to me it's safe.

underpants

(182,788 posts)
20. Hold it. He signed an EO banning businesses from running their business?
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:59 PM
Apr 2021

To placate Trump and pander to the cult?

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
32. Florida governor: sick passengers on cruise ship cannot be 'dumped' here (3/30/20)
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 01:58 AM
Apr 2021

Patrick Greenfield and Erin McCormick
Mon 30 Mar 2020 11.47 EDT

... Four people have died and dozens of people are sick with flu-like symptoms on the Zaandam cruise ship, which is currently traveling towards Florida after passing through the Panama canal with its sister ship – the Rotterdam – where asymptomatic passengers have been moved ...

The health of passengers and crew has worsened in the past week after several Latin American countries refused to let the Zaandam into port, with 189 people sick with flu-like symptoms as of Monday morning. Two people tested positive for Covid-19 onboard last week and four have died, although the causes of death are not known.

More than 1,200 passengers from the UK, the US and other countries have been confined to their cabins for over a week, with 73 guests and 116 crew members on Zaandam having reported influenza-like illness, according to the operator Holland America Line.

DeSantis told Fox ... “We cannot afford to have people who are not even Floridians dumped into south Florida using up those valuable resources. So, I’m in contact with the White House on this, I’m in contact with the local county officials in both Broward and Miami-Dade. But yes, we view this as a big, big problem and we do not want to see people dumped in southern Florida right now” ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/florida-governor-ron-desantis-cruise-ship-coronavirus-zaandam



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