I wonder if the cop who shot Daunte Wright was in some way

[raccoon]

Impaired. Lack of sleep, under the influence of alcohol, drugs, hung over?

Not that any of that would excuse what happened of course.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

2. Probably just the suspect diving in vehicle

After he broke away from attempt to put handcuffs on him, how could she know he was not attempting to get a weapon?

Really stupid thing she did but what would have happened if the young man would have simply let the officer cuff him?

Hmmm he would be alive.

I know not popular with all the "all cops murder crowd" but ehh

[Arazi]

3. There's absolutely no way to say he'd still be alive if handcuffed

In fact the evidence tends to trend the other way - once in handcuffs by the police, black men die

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

5. So they would have put him in custody

Then murdered him?

The problem is that type of thinking.

[uponit7771]

7. Yes that happened recently in NOLA, cops said the guy shot himself in the back handcuffed

[Arazi]

11. You realize the Chauvin trial is happening 10 miles away from Daunte's murder right?

Black men die in police custody all the time.

The problem is thinking this isn't happening. Jfc, why do you think there's an entire civil uprising called Black Lives Matter? It's because black folks are being murdered by the police, especially once they're handcuffed

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

12. Two totally different cases

[Arazi]

16. Both black men dead. Seems exactly the same kind of case to me

[yardwork]

21. Are you even aware of the Chauvin trial?

[Claire Oh Nette]

25. Um, no

Um, there's this guy up in Minesota, he was cuffed an din custody, and they killed him anyway.

Nope.

Just comply doesn't work when they're coming at you with guns drawn for expired tags and air fresheners.

[Amishman]

9. you're missing your sarcasm tag I hope

not sure what you are going for with such a blatantly incorrect statement.

2.6 million black arrests in 2019, I assume the overwhelming majority were handcuffed. I know the media isn't the best at reporting on police misconduct, but if you're statement was remotely true I think we would have noticed that many bodies...

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

[Arazi]

15. "They ruined his life"

Ok, maybe not dead but definitely fucked up forever.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/they-ruined-his-life-cops-who-held-lt-nazario-at-gunpoint-must-face-independent-probe-ex-police-chiefs-say/ar-BB1fwkNw

"It's unconscionable that they would do that to a compliant man who was serving his country in uniform. There's just no excuse for that," he added. "They just ruined his life. They have no idea. Army Lieutenant or not, they have no idea what it's like to go through that kind of experience."

[Amishman]

17. Again, 2.6 million times in a year. These types of incidents are not common

Doesn't make them right, doesn't mean reform isn't badly needed - but this inference that something bad would have likely happened to him by cooperating is completely absurd.

[Amishman]

4. all of that and likely some training deficiencies too

In those situations, the body is going by muscle memory, there is very little active thinking being done.

I'm wondering how many training hours and drills the officers log in a year relating to these scenarios? Perhaps a lot more hours practicing draw and fire with the pistol, resulting in that being the overriding response?

Also their taser should not have a grip and trigger like a gun; having something that is held differently would give a better chance of the mind realizing something is wrong in time to interrupt what the body is doing.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

6. I fully agree with this

Spot on

[uponit7771]

10. She was a training officer she didn't get it right the rest of them are screwed

[yardwork]

20. You don't seem to be aware of the facts in this case.

The officer immediately acknowledged that she didn't intend to shoot him. She meant to use her taser and somehow accidentally used her gun. How does that happen? I don't know but it does raise a lot of questions.

[ecstatic]

22. Except, cops are trained to use their gun if they fear a weapon

They don't reach for a taser to tase someone who they think is getting a gun. So that excuse is 100% bullshit.

[jcgoldie]

27. "what would have happened if the young man would have simply let the officer cuff him?..."

"Hmmm he would be alive."

Nice right wing talking point.

Fucking ridiculous argument. Blaming the victim. Should self delete.

[Phoenix61]

30. The arrest warrant was for having a gun.

She had every reason to think he still had it. I think she panicked.

[Arazi]

33. No, the warrant was a misdemeanor warrant for a court no-show

[Phoenix61]

37. For being in possession of a gun while out on bail. nt

[Arazi]

40. I was just giving you the facts - the warrant was a misdemeanor for failure to appear

A misdemeanor warrant does not merit getting slaughtered

[Phoenix61]

42. A warrant merits being arrested and nothing else.nt

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

32. George Floyd was fully cuffed and restrained...

and being videoed by multiple witnesses.

How'd that work out?

[BlueLucy]

35. Are you saying he deserved to be murdered?

Cops don't get to issue a death penalty without a trial.

[Politicub]

39. She says she didn't know that she had a deadly weapon in her own hand. So maybe she

isn’t the best judge of someone reaching for a weapon.

[Politicub]

41. You don't know he would be alive. You already are painting

people who can understand nuance with this brush of “I know not popular with the ‘all cops murder crowd’ but ehh.”

The airwaves are filled with people trying to cop-splain this away. That’s why the ideas in your post are not helpful.

[GoCubsGo]

8. From what I understand, she was training another officer,

and pulled this young man over to "demonstrate" a traffic stop. She was impaired alright, but I'm guessing it was her ego that impaired her.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

13. For conducting a traffic stop?

The thing 90 percent of patrol officers do?

Spare me

[GoCubsGo]

18. Spare you what?

You don't think she could have been showing off to a trainee and fucked up?

[dsc]

34. an exceptionally mickey mouse one

He was originally pulled over for having an item (air freshener) on his mirror (which is apparently not legal in MN). It would have to climb several levels to be merely mickey mouse.

[BlueLucy]

36. She initially pulled him over for air fresheners in his rear view mirror.

Would she have chose a white person for that?

[rickford66]

14. I think she did accidently fire

She was probably trying to scare him by threatening Taser with no intention of actually ever using her Taser. She knew she had her gun out. Still a murder.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. She was a cop, that's it.

[greenjar_01]

23. There was a whole lot wrong in that failed arrest

1) Why did they attempt to cuff him right next to the door rather than at the back of the vehicle?
2) Why didn't anyone close the damn car door?
3) Was the car still on? I mean, he actually did manage to drive away, even after having been shot! How did he get the car moving?

I'm not saying any of this was intentional, but good God this was as sloppy an arrest as I think I've ever seen. If they were attempting the cuff the guy right next to his open car door in a running car, the whole lot of them should be shitcanned for gross negligence.

Even cop friendly posters have to admit that this was bungled in some of the most jaw-dropping ways imaginable.

[rgbecker]

26. Good points all.

I thought it was standard practice to take the keys as soon as possible.

[joetheman]

24. Sure would like to know her history in law enforcement? Complaints against her, arrests,

court appearances, etc

[oasis]

29. Would a court ordered subpoena of her social media activity be helpful?

Current associations/motivation?

[cyndensco]

28. If anyone other than a cop had "accidentally" shot someone dead,

I'm sure a toxicology test would be administered. Oh, and not just for the dead man - for the shooter.

[marble falls]

31. You forgot drunk with power.

[Politicub]

38. Oh, a 'splain brainstorm to find an excuse other than systemic racism.

Might as well throw mental illness in there, too. Because, why not? Or she came out to a flat tire on her car. Too much caffeine, perhaps? Maybe it was aliens. Maybe she ate a Twinkie and was on a sugar high?

Should we continue thinking of ideas?

[LizBeth]

43. I think it was a hunter/prey, muscle memory. Thinking taser but in hunter/prey mode and grabbed gun.