aww, little Richard Haass, the neocon warmonger has the sadz on Morning Joe about Biden/Afghanistan

[Celerity]

He and his MIC mates are losing one their forever war piggy banks.



He can go fuck himself with a F-35

[PCIntern]

1. ...AND a cactus!

[snowybirdie]

2. These so called experts

Pontificating on the TV machine for decades have no creditability anymore. How many empires have tried to defeat Afghanistan and failed?

[Celerity]

5. at least 5,000 years of fail at the end of day for a multiplicity of invasions/erstwhile perm rulers

The Indus Valley Civilization starting around 3000 BCE or so kicked it off. Some of the invaders in the history of Afghanistan include the Maurya Empire, the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great of Macedon, Rashidun Caliphate, the Mongol Empire led by Genghis Khan, the Timurid Empire of Timur, the Mughal Empire, various Persian Empires, the Sikh Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and most recently a coalition force of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) troops, the majority from the United States.

[csziggy]

9. My husband contends that swords were invented to invade Afghanistan

And the inventors of the sword still failed.

[malaise]

3. I screamed at the TV

and turned it off - clearly owned my MIC.

[hlthe2b]

4. It is easy for these idiots to pontificate when we're dealing with lose-lose situation--decades-long

And I only point to my sig line to express my sadness because, yeah, Afghanistan WILL go to hell when we leave and women will become the collateral damage. The lessons of the Brits in Afghanistan-- but likewise through history, centuries before Genghis Khan, have not guided us nor been heeded.

It has been a lose-lose situation for far too long and there are no good solutions.

[brooklynite]

6. Funny how President Obama's Homeland Security Secretary was on the same show...

...and raised some of the same concerns. But didn't get called a neocon warmonger.

It may be the best of a bad set of options to pull out; simplifying it down to bromides about "endless wars" is the kind of thinking Donald Trump was offering us.

[Celerity]

7. So now I am leaning into Trumpian thought? How dare you imply that rot. I'm the one defending Biden.

[brooklynite]

8. I wasn't aware that Biden needed "defending".

He's made a policy choice. It has pros and cons.

[Celerity]

10. Stop trying to pettifog. You outrageously implied I was venturing into Trumpian territory.

shameful

[Celerity]

11. Biden: It's time to end the forever war

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/04/14/joe-biden-beau-biden-its-time-to-end-this-forever-war-sot-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/