Carlson: Maybe The COVID Vaccine "Doesn't Work"

[TexasTowelie]

“Experts say it is not entirely clear when it will be considered okay for people who are fully vaccinated to stop wearing masks. At some point, no one is asking this but everyone should be, what is this about?

“If vaccines work, why are vaccinated people still banned from living normal lives? Honestly, what’s the answer to that, it doesn’t make any sense at all. If the vaccine is effective there’s no reason for people who’ve received a vaccine to wear masks or avoid physical contact.

“So maybe it doesn’t work and they’re simply not telling you that. Well you’d hate to think that especially if you’ve gotten two shots but what’s the other potential explanation? We can’t think of one.” – Tucker Carlson, last night.

Video at https://www.joemygod.com/2021/04/carlson-maybe-the-covid-vaccine-doesnt-work/ .

[FBaggins]

1. Joemygod has that backwards

Carlson is criticizing the determination that we all need to keep wearing masks after most of us are vaccinated. Not that the vaccine doesn’t work, but that they’re asking us to act as though it doesn’t

[ExciteBike66]

14. Carlson is "just asking questions" saying "Maybe it doesn't work"...

The a**hat doesn't understand that the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting the virus, it just makes it so your body can fight it easier. You can still give the virus to others, which is why masks are still needed.

Anyone who has lived through the past several months and doesn't know that is either lying or incredibly stupid. Fauci has explained it in small words multiple times.

[FBaggins]

15. That does not appear to be correct

There are strong indications that once fully vaccinated (at least with the two that have been out long enough to evaluate) you are NOT likely to catch/transmit the virus.

The main problem with his stated opinion is that it’s too early to say that conclusively

[Claire Oh Nette]

19. "Long enough to evaluate"

The drug companies presented their data from clinical trials, three phases, for safety and efficacy. That's what clinical trials do.

Suggesting that the vaccines have been abound "long enough to evaluate" shows gross misunderstanding of how the FDA works with drug companies and the nature of adverse event reporting. Six out of 7 million does, and they paused. That is exactly how Adverse event reporting works. One off, two or three, coincidence, hey, we've got a pattern, and the CDC stepped in.

Adverse event reports continue for all medications even after they are approved, even after they are generic and available OTC.

NO ONE IS USING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS GUINEA PIGS to evaluate the vaccine now. Vaccines require even higher thresh holds for safety and efficacy precisely because they go into billions of arms, not just small target populations.

This is dangerous thinking, and this contributes to the idiots who say, well, I'll wait and see...

So, six women ages 18-48 suffered extremely rare blood clots, with one death. OUT OF 7,000,000, for an incident rate of .00004%.

Vaccines are safe. To suggest otherwise is delaying herd immunity.

[FBaggins]

25. Not sure what you thought you were replying to...

... but it sure wasn't the post you picked.

None of that was relevant to the conversation - which was not whether any vaccine had been evaluated long enough to tell whether it was effective.

The question was whether or not the vaccines protect you against transmitting the virus to other individuals - which is entirely different from whether it keeps you from getting significantly sick (or whether it's safe to use).

Post #14 assumed that the answer was "no". That they only protect you from serious illness but you can still "catch it" and transmit it to others. I replied that that's not where the current evidence points (just the opposite in fact), but that there hadn't been enough data yet to say with certainty. Which is why Carlson's position is, at best, premature.

Your reply is entirely misguided. The clinical trials did not include such an evaluation because it is not "what clinical trials do". In fact, it was the reporting on that fact when the vaccines were first OK'd for emergency use that caused so many people to assume as #14 above.

[Lovie777]

2. shithole is taking credit for the vaccines . . .

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Mister Ed]

3. Ignorant, deceitful, or just stupid?

We report, you decide.

[Blues Heron]

4. Isnt the issue that you could somehow be a carrier even fully vaxed?

i.e while your body is successfully fighting off the virus, you could spread it? Or is that not true, I don't really know.

[FBaggins]

8. I think that's part of it

Early indications are that at least two of the vaccines keep you from catching/transmitting the virus. In which case he’s probably correct that mask mandates should go away... but there’s a difference between “early indications” and “enough evidence to warrant changing public policy at this point”

[cinematicdiversions]

9. AS many articles have pointed out

The science is indicating that you cannot be a carrier if you are vaxxed.

[FBaggins]

10. That isn't a final conclusion at this point

It’s just what the early data shows for the two primary vaccines.

It almost certainly isn’t true for the J&J vaccine. Though even that will eventually be OK once enough people are vaccinated

[FalloutShelter]

18. It's important of the vaccinated to continue to MODEL mask wearing

because the anti-maskers and the COVID weary are itching to throw the masks down and declare victory before we get to the goal line.
We continue to wear masks to protect others who are still vulnerable...as we always have.

If millions of vaccinated suddenly take their masks off it gives the signal that this is over. It is not over.

[genxlib]

23. This is the reason

1000x this.

It is impossible to enforce a mask mandate in the best of times. Given the ability to have two classes of people it will legitimately be impossible

[cinematicdiversions]

24. At some point we have to stop though.

And that point might only be a month or two away. I see a remarkable hesitancy from some people to face the fact we are quickly getting back to normal.

There is another post asking if you are fully vaccinated would you go to a restaurant. I am shocked by the number of people who said no. It's as if they have no idea what the vaccine actually does.

[FBaggins]

26. My estimate is more than a month

The UK appears to be about a month ahead of us in vaccinations and is seeing a dramatic drop in infections and an even larger decline in hospitalizations/deaths. So much so that they've started to debate whether "herd immunity" has occurred or is perhaps right around the corner.

My guess is that they're premature, but getting closer. That arguments like Carlson's will be more mainstream in a bit over a month - but that the numbers won't justify it for another month after that.

[mucifer]

13. People are still dying from Covid after being fully vaccinated. VERY few people. But, the vaccines

are not 100% effective in stopping hospitalizations and deaths.

From The Chicago Tribune regarding Covid deaths in Illinois post full vaccination:

No vaccine is perfect, and that’s true of these three. In Illinois as of Wednesday, 581 fully vaccinated people had tested positive for the virus more than two weeks after their last dose, resulting in 21 hospitalizations and 12 deaths, according to the state health department.

While tragic, the fatalities statistically are rare, compared with the 2.5 million people fully vaccinated in the state.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/vaccine/ct-prem-covid-surge-vaccination-chicago-20210409-cq2qlvlvcna5vgls65dwx5h3sm-story.html

So 12 deaths in one state. That's why we need to reach herd immunity.

[DFW]

5. And maybe it's just that Fox, especially Carlson, lies

As long as we’re speculating, and all....

[samsingh]

6. maybe carlson is

a traitor
an idiot
slept with rupert murdoch
accepted money from china or russia
is a white supremist
a serial killer who gets off americans dying of covid
sex trafficker
has raped people before

just saying maybe
i'm not sure, but i've heard people ask those and other questions

[doc03]

7. To be honest I can't see why I can go in a

restaraunt and eat but have to eat in the parking lot at Wendys. I suppose there is some reason but I got my second shot a month ago. I guess we still have to go through this because of the idiots that won't get them will wear a mask and stop spreading the virus. The thing of it is the same people that refuse to wear a mask are the ones that won't take the shots either. The damn Republicans have made a virus into a political argument.

[FBaggins]

12. That's simple enough

Accepting that some people won’t do the sit-down restaurant either... the Wendy’s would have a much larger volume of customers passing through in a given hour. Not as hard to manage spread-out tables and no line for food than a constant flow of diners.

Looking at how one Chik Fil-A is working their drive-through plus mobile app pickup (plus door dash etc.) - a large portion of the seating area is taken up with staging those alternate channels.

[dsc]

11. The galling this is the man who signs his paychecks was among the first people vaccinated in the UK

and thus among the first vaccinated in the world.

[OneBro]

16. Um, vaccinated and unvaccinated people look alike.

Qnuts are already proudly faking the proof-of-vaccination cards, so it would be impossible for restaurants and retailers to know who has actually been vaccinated. Qnuts who now refuse to wear a mask would swear they’ve been vaccinated then share some real knee slappers about how they’re owning the libs.

A customer saying “I’ve been vaccinated so I don’t need a mask” is the equivalent of a one-night-stand saying “I don’t have any STDs, so we don’t need a condom.”

Wear a f*cking mask.

[jcgoldie]

17. I can think of an explanation Tucker

You and all your dumbass audience won't get the shot or wear a mask or do anything else for the public good because you just dont GAF so if you tell people they don't have to wear masks in public you will have a large amount of inoculated people who have done the right thing mixed with a bunch of stupid fox watching rednecks passing the disease around because they still wont do what they should have done. Or perhaps we could require people to present some proof of having had the shots to dine in restaurants or get on airplanes... oh nevermind that wont fucking work either because then we'd be liberal nazis taking away your freedumb or something...

[area51]

20. Or maybe Fscker Carlson's brain doesn't work.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

21. Fox, have you had him tested?

His IQ seems low, I'm saying.

[Johonny]

22. We all know Tucker and the rest of FOX news are vaccinated already.

[Initech]

27. The GOP is the only thing that doesn't work right now.

Hey o!!! Thank you I'm here all week!

[IcyPeas]

28. why isn't more being said about TRUMP getting the vaccine in SECRECY?

What does tucker have to say about THAT?