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'Constantly rubbing dirt in our face': GOP senators complain Biden keeps passing bills without them
https://www.rawstory.com/joe-biden-senate/
A handful of the Senate's more moderate Republicans thought they would be at the center of legislative negotiations with President Joe Biden, but instead find themselves on the sidelines as Democrats push ahead with a sweeping agenda.
Members of the so-called G-10 say they're eager to negotiate deals with the White House, after steering COVID-19 relief under former president Donald Trump, but they're instead largely irrelevant and unable to shake the GOP reputation as obstructionists, reported Politico.
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Staffers complain that the White House is "constantly rubbing dirt in the face of Republicans" by inviting them to White House meetings as Senate Democrats push through legislation with their narrow majority through reconciliation.
"If you get an invitation to the White House, you go to the White House," said another G-10 staffer. "But regardless, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. When you go to the White House meeting you risk being used in a feigned attempt at bipartisanship. If you don't go then it's, 'Oh, Republicans won't even meet with me.' It all pivots on whether it's a genuine offer from the White House or just part of their messaging strategy."
The senators -- including Susan Collins (R-ME), Mitt Romney (R-UT), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) and Bill Cassidy (R-LA) -- may not like the situation, but they grudgingly concede that Biden's White House has firmly grabbed control of the narrative.
"Everything they support is defined as either COVID relief or infrastructure, and everything they oppose is like
Jim Crow voter suppression and evil," said a G-10 aide, "and you constantly just feel like you're in this gaslighting chamber of insanity. But it's working."
East-A-Squared
(14,505 posts)agingdem
(7,849 posts)Dems are in control now...all those long years of forced invisibility "learned us" one thing...playing nice is ok if you're in pre-school but not ok when dealing with the putrid Mitch/Ted/Mario/Josh/Lindsey et al...those sniveling little weasels want a seat at the table...fine...but it's the children's table...get used to it and don't throw your food...
Trueblue1968
(17,217 posts)un·at·trac·tive
/ˌənəˈtraktiv/
adjective: unattractive
*** not pleasing or appealing to look at.
*** having no inviting or beneficial features.
iluvtennis
(19,852 posts)Faux pas
(14,672 posts)they've been rubbing their asses in our faces for decades. Eat shit and live assholes.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)Im surprised they didnt see this coming. Joe is an old hand at the political game. Plus, when your goals are overwhelmingly popular its a lot easier.
crickets
(25,969 posts)All of the unfounded fears and complaints expressed here are exactly how Republicans behave. They're projecting themselves all over the place, right down to claiming that reality is gaslighting. It's absurd.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)by their blatant projection, gaslighting, and hypocrisy. On every single issue.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Was really pathetic this morning, blaming Democrats for everything. It was pitiful coming from Mitch.
Grins
(7,217 posts)maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)Looking for a way to crash the plane.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)speak easy
(9,245 posts)Worthless dirtbags.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)Who exactly are these 10 people? On the best of days in a wild fantasy, we MIGHT get Romney, Collins, and Murkowski. Who are the rest? Maybe we should ask Joe Manchin to identify them for us, because there hasn't been 10 cooperative Republicans collectively over the last 30 years.
Chellee
(2,096 posts)The G-10 senators are: SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO of West Virginia, BILL CASSIDY of Louisiana, SUSAN COLLINS of Maine, JERRY MORAN of Kansas, LISA MURKOWSKI of Alaska, ROB PORTMAN of Ohio, MITT ROMNEY of Utah, MIKE ROUNDS of South Dakota, THOM TILLIS of North Carolina and TODD YOUNG of Indiana.
I don't know on what planet Todd Young is considered a moderate.
essaynnc
(801 posts)Always abides by the company line.........
smb
(3,471 posts)...they might as well have listed them as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Zorro, the Tooth Fairy, Batman, the Great Pumpkin, Jack Frost, the Great Gazoo, Casper the Friendly Ghost, and Bugs Bunny.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)This made my day.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Hotler
(11,420 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)For it ...
aggiesal
(8,914 posts)then turn off the mics when they don't like what they're hearing.
All of which actually happened!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)That whole "majority rules" thing is a real bear, ain't it? Maybe if you came up with some ideas about the proposals that are presented to you, you could get some of what you want. But if all you bring is "no," then you're going to get shut out of the process. Too bad, so sad. Elections (or so I've heard) have consequences, at least when Democrats lose. Why shouldn't there be consequences when Republicans lose? Suck it up, buttercup.
aggiesal
(8,914 posts)That all went away when the (R)'s took over since 1980.
Now they're pi$$ed because the (D)'s are practicing what the (R)'s taught us and now using.
These G-10 are used to getting their way, and have never experienced
conversations, negotiations and compromises.
Suck it up, buttercup.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)dalton99a
(81,475 posts)WarGamer
(12,440 posts)tanyev
(42,552 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,412 posts)Is Biden really in charge if he doesnt sit around toilet tweeting insults and playing golf all day?!
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Is helping a little. He has been all over TV. No one asks Mitch. He is old news.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)At least we're not cackling and throwing beer parties when we do it.
Talitha
(6,584 posts)nolabear
(41,960 posts)modrepub
(3,495 posts)Actions speak louder than words. Push through the judges Biden nominated without delays as a show of good faith. Offer constructive criticism (in the background, not through the media). Show some humility for crying out loud.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Collimator
(1,639 posts)Those two words could be used to describe 75% of Trump and Co.'s MO.
How terrible it must be for them to face the fact that Biden's people can communicate clear ideas to the American populace and that the populace can see with their own eyes that Biden's efforts will help them.
Quelle horreure!
RussBLib
(9,008 posts)The Dems got thru Covid relief, and what else?
What with the Chauvin trial and constant Covid focus, I have not heard about any of these bills being rubbed in their faces.
Can anyone list a few bills? I have looked and don't find anything. Lots of plans. Lots of cage rattling. But what bills have been passed?
jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)Sorry, pardner, those things aren't fashionable any more. I get what you're saying though. In a better world we wouldn't be reduced to bragging about phantoms while listening to others cry over manufactured crises, enumerated ad nauseum by 24/7 fantasy in lieu of a plain speaking media. Who could have guessed that when pamphleteering became digital and wireless, general knowledge would degenerate to propaganda? But I digress.
Nope, I haven't seen or heard of any bills get through both houses either except the relief bill.
tavernier
(12,383 posts)They along with Manchin continue to obstruct any progress that America wants.
That wailing is just pure bullshit that they hope will stick.
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)GopherGal
(2,008 posts)I'm sure he'll be real sympathetic, given their history of bipartisanship under previous administrations.
Mad_Machine76
(24,412 posts)But complaining about being shut out? And they think that being invited is some kind of trap? Geez.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)That's what they came to DC to do.
Caliman73
(11,736 posts)and they think that it entitles them to dictate legislation to the majority. They will continue to whine because unless Biden is passing a conservative agenda, it isn't bipartisanship.
Also, almost anything can be considered something having to do with infrastructure. Physical infrastructure (roads, bridges, electrical grid, rail, ports, etc...) Social Infrastructure (programs for homelessness, unemployment benefits, child care to allow people to work, and education). Since Reagan, Republicans have allowed both types of infrastructure to rot.
Republicans do not want government to be involved in providing for any of it. They want it all to be private and FOR PROFIT. If someone can't get filthy rich off of it, then it isn't any good to Republican society.
They are playing games. It is time the media stop coddling them and make them answer tough questions, like why they have no apparent interest in fixing any of the problems in the country.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,611 posts)I urge you to post this as a stand-alone OP. It is That Good!
JHB
(37,160 posts)If a profit can be made from doing something, government shouldn't do it because it is unfairly competing with the private sector.
If a profit cannot be made from doing something, government shouldn't do it because it is unproductive, inefficient, and wasteful.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)bringthePaine
(1,728 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Is carry water for McConnell.
And - give stupid ideas for feedback.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Gee isnt it the other side of the coin from when they wouldnt let any bills come to the floor?
Fuck them. bipartisanship is over.
niyad
(113,284 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)bdamomma
(63,845 posts)No bills came to the floor they were in Mitch's scrap pile. I have no pity for the insurrectionist party.
The Democratic leadership should just plow them down. The Repigs have been doing it to us for decades. Let's trickle on them.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)He wants to make a positive difference.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)go public with their support of said legislation. And bury frump once and for all.
Not holding my breath.
intheflow
(28,463 posts)The GOP characterized Dems as babykillers, pedophiles and delusional during the last four years. If these asshats want bipartianship, they could have worked to that end during 45's evil reign. Also, it's only gaslighting if it's a lie.
liberalla
(9,243 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 14, 2021, 01:57 PM - Edit history (1)
Just ridiculous!
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ETA: and yet so deeply satisfying!
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)For any Republican, moderate or not, to talk about being trapped in a gaslighting chamber is beyond ridiculous.
I would suggest if they do not want to be labeled with Jim Crow monikers, then they should be speaking out against voter suppression that their own party is pushing. If they want to be considered relevant, then they should be out there criticizing the neo-Nazi stance of a Tucker Carlson, replacement theories that are poisoning the minds of their own electorate.
The victimization tune marks them indelibly as current members of the GOP. Evil is as evil does. They want to be free of the moral complications? Leave the Republican Party and come into the light.
CaptainTruth
(6,589 posts)"Everything they support is defined as either COVID relief or infrastructure, and everything they oppose is like Jim Crow voter suppression and evil," said a G-10 aide, "and you constantly just feel like you're in this gaslighting chamber of insanity. But it's working."
That describes what Republicans have been doing for decades & it reached a peak under Trump.
eppur_se_muova
(36,261 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)So...
raccoon
(31,110 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)irisblue
(32,971 posts)snip-The G-10 senators are: SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO of West Virginia, BILL CASSIDY of Louisiana, SUSAN COLLINS of Maine, JERRY MORAN of Kansas, LISA MURKOWSKI of Alaska, ROB PORTMAN of Ohio, MITT ROMNEY of Utah, MIKE ROUNDS of South Dakota, THOM TILLIS of North Carolina and TODD YOUNG of Indiana.
snip-"In the span of a few months, the G-10 has gone from the center of politics in DONALD TRUMPS Washington to the policy sidelines in President JOE BIDENS.Back to the nightmare. It starts with what they see as some hardwired media narratives they cant shake: that Biden is a reasonable, deal-making moderate and that Republicans talk about compromise but really just want to obstruct. Its a perception that has given the White House all the leverage.
While these senators mostly despised Trump, they were the engine of policymaking for his final Covid relief bill. While they mostly respect Biden, they have so far been irrelevant to his legislative push despite his inaugural promise of unity.
suffer GOP senators you danced with the devil.
JHB
(37,160 posts)Or how you lost because of "people who just want stuff."
NoMoreRepugs
(9,417 posts)assholes they are by Biden and Democrats doing what is BEST for the country IMO.
spanone
(135,830 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)These fuckers behave a thousand times worse when they controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. They can take their whining and complaints and shove them up their hypocritical asses.
Midnight Writer
(21,753 posts)So Joe gets the bus back on the road and moves forward.
That's kind of how life works, guys.
colorado_ufo
(5,733 posts)They are lucky if he doesn't back it up, looking for them.
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)lame54
(35,287 posts)How I long for the level-headed days of Trump
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)So yeah, in yer faces, GOP Senate Whiners. Turnabout is fair play.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)If these republicans want 'bi-partisianship', they can FIRST acknowledge 3 things
1 they're in the congressional minority
2 they're free to offer USEFUL addendums to Democratic Ideas
3 MAYBE they'll be allowed half of what they suggest.
Oh, did I mention they're IN THE CONGRESSIONAL FUCKING MINORITY?
if they want to bitch about this, no wonder biden isnt paying attention to them.
Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)They are 1 president late to the dance to come up that bullshit.
ananda
(28,858 posts)It really beggars belief, but that's how those greedy,
degenerate deplorables are.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)to pass Trumpist legislation, which they still won't vote for.
As your side said, kids..."Fuck your feelings"!
Are the bad Democrats keeping them from torturing us with their sadistic policies?
tavernier
(12,383 posts)You posted my exact Awww.
PatrickforB
(14,572 posts)debate and compromise with the Democrats, instead of refusing to cooperate and then sitting back and simply accusing the Democrats of rolling over them.
Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)govern?
efhmc
(14,725 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)niyad
(113,284 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts).
niyad
(113,284 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I never look.
niyad
(113,284 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Lokee11
(235 posts)[link:
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Grokenstein
(5,722 posts)When they don't, it's "You have to give us everything we want as consolation."
They're trumpkins.
Fuck their feelings.
And clean more of them out come next election.
area51
(11,908 posts)DanieRains
(4,619 posts)And destroying the environment by destroying protections, I can see their point.
I guess we aren't interested....
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)popular with the "American People" they represent then possibly consider voting YES for the good of the people they work for. Instead they vote no because they are afraid of Mitch and trump and Fox news. Spineless and weak.
calimary
(81,238 posts)Seems to me its ABOUT DAMNED TIME we had a messaging strategy!!!
Im glad we do! And if theyre complaining, it means 1) its effective, and
2) theyre not used to our side having one and they dont know what to do about it.
Ill take either one, or both!
Destabilize the enemy. In ANY way(s) possible!
Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)then were talking turkey. Senators have to walk the walk. If they want to contribute, then START CONTRIBUTING! They dont need to be led around by the nose. Theyre big boys and girls.
kairos12
(12,858 posts)on everything.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)...starting when both sides could actually talk to each other down to the degraded conditions Obama had to try to negotiate.
Biden, like Obama, is a gentleman, but 8 years of watching Obama get screwed over and then watching the entire country get screwed over for 4 years he knows what kind of monsters hes dealing with.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)politruk
(88 posts)Biden seems to have learned that those are impossible luxuries when the GOP is determined to be the party of obstruction above all else.
NH Ethylene
(30,811 posts)Biden doesn't need to learn that lesson. I love the combination of reaching out for bipartisanship but quickly moving ahead when it doesn't come. He doesn't waste his time on the GOP's drama.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Are now on the Senate Floor reading Martin Luther Kings letter from the Birmingham jail. Sherrod Brown started. It is really heartwarming to see the 2 parties join.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Apparently you've completely forgotten about the gaslighting that's gone on since Reagan, more or less unabated. And bipartisanship? Oh, golly.
It seems a case could be made that, to your part, bipartisanship is a situational concept to be trotted out in the middle of a difficult scene of your psychodrama. Remember these?
"The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat." (retweet)
"Do you identify as a Democrat, or an American?" (survey question)
The violent mobs... they're Biden people, they're Biden states and cities, they're Democrat states, and, of red states of red states, we're doing great and we don't have crime and we don't have this violence.
The current American political scenario is not about the Left vs. the Right; it is about the Left vs. common sense.
I'm sure I could go on all day, finding and pasting these quotes about sincere intentions and bipartisanship, but there seems to be no point. I submit that, your claims to the contrary, your view of bipartisanship needs a little refocusing.
ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)We forgot that feelings don't matter unless they're GOP feelings. How inconsiderate of us. Our bad!
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JUST KIDDING!
How does it feel to be on the losing team, loooozers? Enjoy your stay. Meanwhile, we Democrats will be very busy MAKING THINGS HAPPEN!!!
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)too bit loser's getting what they deserve !! 5 yr's of their Putin style of gov. guess what ? bernie madoff is dead today in prison . mr. trump & his con -job's are next for him !! exactly what's in store for him. think about it !!!
karin_sj
(808 posts)It's not like anyone has consulted the Democrats in Congress THE ENTIRE TIME the orange slug was in office. Screw them.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)right along with them, no matter how moderate you think you are.
Republicans were consulted on the ACA and some of their input was included but not a single one voted for it.
And now they wonder why nobody bothers with them any more.
While Collens, Murkowski and Romney have voted against the most egregious excesses of the GQP bloc, their votes can't be counted upon for moderate legislation. They have no one to blame but themselves.
It must be shocking to realize the Democrats have finally fired up their own steamroller. It's past due.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,688 posts)or horseradish, in my Jewish case.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)what they've been rubbing their faces in for the last four years.
wryter2000
(46,039 posts)He can only do it, though, because of their party's total inflexibility.
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Cha
(297,196 posts)soldierant
(6,857 posts)no one would be able to rub it in ... not that anyone is. actually.
But if they would clean up their act there would not be any dirt on them to rub in.
(Like that would ever happen.)
Marcuse
(7,479 posts)"Everything they support is defined as either COVID relief or infrastructure, and everything they oppose is like Jim Crow voter suppression and evil," said a G-10 aide, "and you constantly just feel like you're in this gaslighting chamber of insanity. But it's working."
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colorado_ufo
(5,733 posts)Rebl2
(13,498 posts)apnu
(8,756 posts)The Senate can only use Reconciliation once per budget. Because the Republicans failed to pass a 2020 budget, this Senate gets two budget bills in the year. Thats it. Thanks to the filibuster, this is all that will happen this year.
Doing it twice because the previous Senate was stupid isnt rubbing the face
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)barbtries
(28,789 posts)it's major league projection.
i guess it could be both. it is very republican.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Its apparently OK when the Republicans do it I guess Mitch?
Skittles
(153,160 posts)FUCK, FUCK, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
peppertree
(21,627 posts)It is the GOPee way.
LudwigPastorius
(9,139 posts)Maybe if those guys hadn't decided to go all-in with that fat, orange fascist, they wouldn't have lost the House, Senate, and White House.
bdamomma
(63,845 posts)STFU.
Rebl2
(13,498 posts)dont like being treated the way they treated Democrats all those years. Dont know what they expected.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,599 posts)Pinback
(12,154 posts)Ive got 10 years worth of dirt in my eyes.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)There are extreme corporate supporters, extreme trump supporters, and then Requilicans who are lying about not being one of those.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)you let a criminal in the White House off the hook two times....go to hell GOP!!!
Botany
(70,501 posts)pecosbob
(7,538 posts)ShepKat
(383 posts)when they were in charge, the bills would be stalled. This way, shit gets done.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)KY....... ..........
eggplant
(3,911 posts)Zambero
(8,964 posts)Expecting a positive outcome through bipartisanship. ACA for example. Compromises made, amendments included, with much time expended -- and to a number they STILL stabbed him in the back when it came time to pass legislation. To Biden's credit, he learns from history, avoids repeating the same mistakes, and proceeds accordingly.
dlk
(11,561 posts)The fact, alone, these senators are whining about not being able to call the shots demonstrates they have no actual interest in bipartisanship or compromise. My way or the highway is their only approach.