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The problem with Congress explained (Original Post) MoonRiver Apr 2021 OP
Good graph dmr Apr 2021 #1
Not sure. I took it from another site. MoonRiver Apr 2021 #3
What do these pie charts look like when you split out the parties? Probatim Apr 2021 #2
That would be interesting! MoonRiver Apr 2021 #4
AND split out DENVERPOPS Apr 2021 #24
Oh yes, that is an excellent point PatSeg Apr 2021 #32
But DENVERPOPS Apr 2021 #34
That would be very interesting indeed. I want to see... 3catwoman3 Apr 2021 #5
Women: 17 Democrats, 8 Rep in the Senate. 88 Dems and 13 Rep in the House progressoid Apr 2021 #12
gop or gop-leaning: 40% of US. GOP senators: 50%. nt wiggs Apr 2021 #14
Congress ain't representin' Blue Owl Apr 2021 #6
True! Not on this is chart but the biggest problem in Congress is campaign finance (bribes). Dustlawyer Apr 2021 #13
Doesn't need a chart. Just one word: REPUBLICANS emulatorloo Apr 2021 #7
One solution would be what is called "sortition" or "demarchy," politruk Apr 2021 #8
Imagine 100 MTGs in the Senate - that's nightmare fuel. Probatim Apr 2021 #9
Yep, the George Carlin principal applies here... Gregory Peccary Apr 2021 #19
Or 100 entitled white men. That's the current nightmare. erronis Apr 2021 #20
Even 10% MTGs would be a nightmare. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #23
so following that, you would essentially have a whole new House every 2 years yellowdogintexas Apr 2021 #26
biggest problem... Senate markie Apr 2021 #10
Yeah... SergeStorms Apr 2021 #17
That was the only way to get some of the smaller states to join the USA. erronis Apr 2021 #21
4 words are all you need Moostache Apr 2021 #11
That's not a graph, it's a pie chart. robbob Apr 2021 #15
The system was set up for, and by, men of propertied classes bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #16
I'd like to know... SergeStorms Apr 2021 #18
And where did their big wealth come from? It wasn't on the federal payroll. erronis Apr 2021 #22
It could be changed if we weren't so dumb Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #25
One part of the solution Zeitghost Apr 2021 #27
Agree the HOR should be expanded... Tommymac Apr 2021 #29
Wow, wow, wow. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2021 #28
That's a keeper! Thanks! liberalla Apr 2021 #30
I don't find the graph offers a good explanation as it is an attack Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #31
The number of women in Congress is only slightly better than that meme indicates. LudwigPastorius Apr 2021 #33

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
24. AND split out
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:49 PM
Apr 2021

the millionaires in just the Senate, which would be far more interesting than together with both house members and senate members.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
34. But
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 02:41 PM
Apr 2021

there are a bunch of Dem Senators also.......

I also would like to see a chart of how much their net worth was when they entered office, and what it is now....
THAT would be really revealing............The best government money can buy.........

LOL exactly what that frenchman said in the 1700's: "Democracy will work until people realize they can vote themselves money.."

3catwoman3

(23,950 posts)
5. That would be very interesting indeed. I want to see...
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 02:42 PM
Apr 2021

...the pie chart for Republican millionaires in congress versus Republican millionaires in not in congress.

progressoid

(49,951 posts)
12. Women: 17 Democrats, 8 Rep in the Senate. 88 Dems and 13 Rep in the House
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:03 PM
Apr 2021
https://cawp.rutgers.edu/women-us-congress-2020

I'm sure the rest is out there. I gotta get back to work.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
13. True! Not on this is chart but the biggest problem in Congress is campaign finance (bribes).
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:03 PM
Apr 2021

Gun reform did not happen after Sandy Hook despite over 90% approval rating with American citizens. The reason was the Donors and their $$$.

 

politruk

(88 posts)
8. One solution would be what is called "sortition" or "demarchy,"
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 03:19 PM
Apr 2021

that is, fill Congressional seats by random lottery, like jury duty. Then Congress would look like the general population in every way. Only, then we wouldn't have a Congress, we would have a focus group, qualified to do nothing but vote up-or-down on executive-branch proposals.

Gregory Peccary

(490 posts)
19. Yep, the George Carlin principal applies here...
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:18 PM
Apr 2021

Think about how stupid the average American is, then realize half of the population is even dumber than that.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
20. Or 100 entitled white men. That's the current nightmare.
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:20 PM
Apr 2021

Well, a few exceptions just to show there can be exceptions.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
26. so following that, you would essentially have a whole new House every 2 years
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 05:19 PM
Apr 2021

theoretically no one would have ever served before. and that would be utter chaos because no one would know how to do anything. Add to that 1/3 of the Senate every 2 years, with no experience.

The example of a Congress full of Louie Gohmerts or MTG types is horrifying.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
21. That was the only way to get some of the smaller states to join the USA.
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:21 PM
Apr 2021

(Coming from that wedge of a state in your avatar...)

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
11. 4 words are all you need
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:02 PM
Apr 2021

Rich

Old

White

Men


The thing I do not understand about them is this - they are all going to die far sooner than the consequences of their actions and inactions...surely some of them must care about legacies and the future? At least a few? History will judge them all exceedingly harshly and the family names of those clinging to power now will be forbidden from polite society by 2100.

The ultimate vanity and myopia combined.




robbob

(3,522 posts)
15. That's not a graph, it's a pie chart.
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:08 PM
Apr 2021

And it’s not ONE pie chart it’s four. Hate to nit-pick, but come on! 😂

bucolic_frolic

(43,063 posts)
16. The system was set up for, and by, men of propertied classes
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:12 PM
Apr 2021

independent of churches, Royalty, and pledged to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Which mean consumption in those days.

But back then, people owned businesses. The idea of corporations wasn't fully known beyond limited liability for shareholders of exploration companies - Dutch East India, Hudson's Bay, etc. They subdued and killed many native Americans, and plundered the land and forests for resources and made themselves and shareholders, and the crowns rich.

Which is my windy way of saying I blame the corporations. Too much power, greed, money, too many wannabe's trying to climb to the top.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
22. And where did their big wealth come from? It wasn't on the federal payroll.
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:25 PM
Apr 2021

I'm sure most of them have received multi-millions on "speaking engagements". Basically a nice dinner where you (Sen. McFillibuster) just needs to drone on for 15 minutes and get the funds deposited in some non-affiliated account. To pad the unreported earnings you get from overseas interests. Not saying that some of that isn't inserted into accounts by Vlad-The-Impaler.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,104 posts)
25. It could be changed if we weren't so dumb
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 05:12 PM
Apr 2021

Those graph numbers are caused by US.

And the fact that there isn't a cap on how much a candidate can spend to get elected.

Zeitghost

(3,850 posts)
27. One part of the solution
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 06:30 PM
Apr 2021

is to increase the number of Representatives in the House. Currently each Rep. serves ~750,000, increasing Congress by 10X or even better, 25X could drop that number to 1 Rep per 30,000. Then, at least one house of Congress would truly represent the people and they could be held responsible by their neighbors. You don't need a huge budget to campaign around your small town or neighborhood.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
29. Agree the HOR should be expanded...
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 09:03 AM
Apr 2021

but too many and it becomes totally unworkable - we'd have the same problem coming to a clear consensus as in the Senate due to too many committees and just the shear numbers needed.

I thin that if every House Seat represented between 200,000 and 250,000 it may be workable. I'd go as high as 500,000 to start with to see how that worked.

But it will not happen soon, in any case.

What really needs to happen is the Constitution needs to be overhauled in so many ways for the 21st Century way of life - but that is a scary thought in these uncertain times of Former Idiocy.

Demsrule86

(68,471 posts)
31. I don't find the graph offers a good explanation as it is an attack
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 12:08 PM
Apr 2021

on the entire Congress ...The Republicans are to blame for what is wrong with Congress. They refuse to do anything useful. This sort of graph lumps the parties together and gives the Republicans a pass...'the they all do it' sort of thing. So I actually think this is meaningless in terms of the real problem with Congress. And FDR one of the richest men to ever serve as president passed progressive policy we still have today...wealth alone is not a 'problem'. It can be depending on the person but not always.

LudwigPastorius

(9,110 posts)
33. The number of women in Congress is only slightly better than that meme indicates.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:05 PM
Apr 2021

It's 27%, according to Pew Research.

The number of women in Congress is at an all-time high. About a century after Republican Jeannette Rankin of Montana became the first woman elected to Congress, there are 144 women in the national legislature, accounting for a record 27% of all members across both chambers. (This includes six nonvoting House members who represent the District of Columbia and U.S. territories, four of whom are women.)

A record 120 women are currently serving in the House, accounting for 27% of the chamber’s total. There are 24 women in the Senate, one fewer than the record number of seats they held in the last Congress. In four states – Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire and Washington – both senators are women, down from six states in the previous Senate.

The House has seen slow but steady growth in the number of women members since the 1920s. Growth in the Senate has been slower: The Senate did not have more than three women serving at any point until the 102nd Congress, which began in 1991. And the share of women in Congress remains far below their share in the country as a whole (27% vs. 51%).


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/03/10/the-changing-face-of-congress/
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