The Hullabaloo over J&J injections is ridiculous.

[NoMoreRepugs]

If you are afraid of a one in a million chance shouldn’t you be TERRIFIED of a one in six hundred of death from covid? (556,000 dead -/- 326,000,000 population = 586 - the numbers don’t lie.)

[Fullduplexxx]

1. Viagra kill 500 men and there was no such concern and caution

And having covid is an even bigger risk of blood clots

[FalloutShelter]

2. Ridiculous...dangerous and entirely counterproductive

to the vaccination effort. The media has really screwed the pooch I the coverage of this story.

[LisaL]

4. Media likes to scare people.

NT

[bamagal62]

3. I agree.

I got the J&J vaccine last week and I would do it again. And, actually, my brother, who lives overseas, got the AstraZeneca and he has had no problems.
It’s important that they state the risks. But, I think the media freaked out unnecessarily.

[LisaL]

5. We have two vaccines that don't cause the blood clots.

How would that justify to continue using a vaccine that likely causes blood clots (however rare those clots might be) and has lower efficacy?
When J&J vaccine came out, we were told it has less side effects than the other two.
Add to that, there were plans to vaccinate college students with J&J (one dose is easier than two), a group full of young females of reproductive age, which are at low risk for covid complications?

[lagomorph777]

7. We have three vaccines that each cause problems. And each can save millions of lives.

Comparing a one-in-a-million chance of serious problems from a vaccine, vs one in 600 chance of dying from COVID...hmmm...hard choice...

[LisaL]

8. The change of dying in young women is going to be a lot less than one in 600.

Which is why in Europe, many countries stopped giving AstraZeneca to younger people.
So get a clue, please.

[lagomorph777]

11. I will choose my vaccine (if there's any choice) based on my own status.

Same as any person should do. I don't happen to be a young woman. I hadn't heard that J&J was specifically hurting young women more than other groups - but I've largely stopped watching the news in the last couple of months. Thanks for the info.

[LisaL]

12. All the six persons who got those unusual clots in US were women between ages 18 and 48.

NT

[lagomorph777]

16. I wonder whether they were also using artificial hormones (e.g. birth control pills).

Artificial hormones are dramatically more toxic than natural ones; clots being one of the main side effects.

[LisaL]

18. Like I said, the clots from the vaccine are not the same as from birth control pills.

The clots from the vaccine are very unusual clots, they form in the brain and are accompanied by low platelets. It appears to be a similar issue to AstraZeneca.

[In It to Win It]

9. I think the point is that 6 people out of nearly 7 million isn't exactly what we would call "likely"

6 people out of nearly 7 million doesn’t tell much of a story to say that the root cause is the J&J vaccine.

[LisaL]

10. Well, you can go right ahead and get vaccinated with it.

I sure wouldn't. Th blood clots caused by the vaccine are very rare and unusual (they are accompanied by low platelet count). So when six people got them soon after being vaccinated, it's pretty clear what caused them.

[In It to Win It]

13. That's fine. It's anyone's choice if they want to get it.

The J&J vaccine was given to my elderly aunts, who are at least 79 years old, specifically because it’s a one-shot vaccine. I understand that the clotting issue is with younger women so far. For now, they are perfectly fine. That’s not to say they will remain fine but hopefully they will.

[LisaL]

14. Clots happened in days 6-13 after vaccination.

So if your aunts are fine and it's been longer than 2 weeks, likely they will remain totally fine.

[Phoenix61]

21. Her Aunts are over 79 years old. They weren't at risk for clots. nt

[lagomorph777]

6. Innumeracy kills.

My wife suffers from this particular symptom of innumeracy. She is afraid of me getting vaccinated - she should be VERY afraid of me NOT getting vaccinated.

[Habitation]

15. The most important part of the story is being overlooked

which is the reason for the pause is to educate medical professionals on how to avoid the harm to these patients incurred from providing them blood thinners for these rare clots. Also there is no similarly with the blood clots from birth control other than that they are both blood clots only one of the six was on birth control. So yes the pause was needed to educate medical professionals on how to properly identify these rare clots and properly treat them and this higher level of vigilance and surveillance is required because of the heightened requirements required for these emergency use vaccines. It would be irresponsible to allow a new product to come to market without requiring the use of that new product to be paused to educate as new knowledge is gained to prevent harm to patients.

[Ms. Toad]

24. Precisely. n/t

[Victor_c3]

17. It's even more likely than you stated

Roughly 32 million have been infected and 577,000 dead = 1.8% chance of death or a little worse than a 1 in 55 chance of dying.

Yeah, I’m going to stay away from the vaccine....

(Too late, I already got vaccinated)

[JuJuChen]

19. I got my J&J two weeks ago and shockingly I am fine

these 6 women are an almost invisible margin compared to the what? 7 million, myself included?

[Johnny2X2X]

20. I've gotten my J&J, this stoppage is not unusual

The FDA is following established protocol, they're required to look at things when there is an issue, it will be back in use ina week or so, it is not a huge deal.

[LAS14]

22. I was glad to hear an assistant CDC official on The Newshour explain that the pause...

... was, in part, so the medical professional community could be educated about how to spot these clots and how to treat them. Treating them in the normal way, with a blood thinner, could make them worse. They are unusual in that they are accompanied by a low platelet count. Sound very rational and responsible to me.

I agree with you about the irrationality of fearing a 1 in a million vs one in six hundered. Then there's the clot threat of one in 100,000 that comes with birth control pills.

Logical, the U.S. population ain't.

[Ms. Toad]

23. This is a new risk of a rare, but deadly, kind of blood clot - which becomes worse

if the traditional treament for clots is used. The disorder is very similar to one caused by heparin (the drug most frequently used to treat clots)

The pause is needed to create warnings (so people can make informed decisions), to determine (to the extent possible) who is at risk for this disorder (e.g. people who have PF4 antibodies, people who have experienced the heparin-induced disorder, or other things we don't know about yet), and to develop information that practitioners can rely on to identify and treat the disorder.

I was alerted 6 years ago that I fell into the category which might develop a very rare, very aggressive, very deadly cancer (50% survival at 5 years). I was alerted based on a test I demanded the doctors run, and based on my own research into the implications of the results of that test (when my ex-doctor initially refused to run the test, refused to request additional details from the pathologist, and basically told me I was worrying about nothing). I have made different health care decisions over the past 6 years than I would have made, had I not been aware of the risk.

I have now been diagnosed with that cancer, much to the surprise of more than one doctor who thought my concern was silly because it was a 1 in a million chance. Fortunately, because I knew of the risk, I found it at a much earlier stage than 90% of the people diagnosed with it and have a pretty good chance of dying of something other than this cancer.

People deciding which vaccine to have a right to that information, to the extent it is known, so that they can choose a different vaccine - or (if they are willing to take the risk) can be prepared with solid information as to the symptoms, the connection to the vaccine, and that the routine treatment for clots is ilkely to be deadly.

The choice isn't between getting COVID or getting J&J. There are two other vaccines in the US that are not associated with this risk (it is specific to the adenovirus vector vaccines). Personally (had I not already been vaccinated) it's just another reason to choose Pfizer or Moderna over Johnson & Johnson.

[EndlessWire]

25. I think they should pause

I'm okay with that. They see something happening and they paused to investigate it. We got all these vaccines up and running in record time, so some of the work is occurring in the field. I think there should not be criticism of their caution.

I think I'm going to end up with Moderna. I think enough people have been successfully vaccinated to ease my mind. I'm definitely gonna take one of the vaccines, but haven't gotten there yet. I qualify now and can seek the shot. But, not the J&J. I plan to start with my left arm, then have the second one put into my right arm. I'll stock up on water, snacks, etc. after I get it. Then, if I become temporarily too sore or tired to walk, I'll have everything near me.

I'm also planning to have animal feed so they will not suffer from the situation.

I remember standing in lines to get shots and sugar cubes in my childhood. I am one of the lucky ones who has a scar from the smallpox vaccination. I can still remember seeing a boy who had had polio and recovered to walk crookedly. So, there's no way I am passing up an opportunity to get vaccinated against Covid 19. I will still wear a mask, etc., but I haven't been out in weeks, and I am used to the lifestyle.

We are going to beat it. No, no, not that! Beat as in winning! Everyone on the planet should get a shot.

[Chautauquas]

26. My 16 y.o. grandson just had his appointment for the J and J cancelled

now he will have to wait, however long, to get vaccinated.