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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLooking for thoughtful responses re Chauvin trial: How do you think it is going?
I think the state has done a good job. I think the defense is doing the best they can with very little with which to work.
Chauvin taking the fifth, I think, is seen widely as indicative of guilt even though, legally, it should not.
There's no telling what a jury will do and people are paid great sums to help predict where any single jury will go. With that, I am leaning to conviction of the more serious charges and serious jail time. In part, this is because things are changing and because the video of Chauvin doing what he did is so powerful all on its own.
Siwsan
(26,308 posts)Something about the prosecution coming close to bringing in some lab results that the judge said can not be admitted.
Nevilledog
(51,237 posts)Prosecution wanted to admit the results in rebuttal case, judge said he can't refer to the lab results.
I think this issue is a total red being by defense. Doesn't matter if carbon monoxide was a contributing factor because Chauvin is the one who put Floyd in the position to breathe exhaust fumes.
Plus, if the fumes were so bad Chauvin would have been hearing them in also.
Siwsan
(26,308 posts)I'll have to tune right in to catch up.
bdamomma
(63,941 posts)is really reaching to let him off or mistrial. We all saw Chauvin kill a human being.
RobinA
(9,898 posts)are not related.
hlthe2b
(102,448 posts)That said, I think the evidence is overwhelming and well presented. I think Chauven is very unlikeable--even without testifying Pleading the fifth will only confirm the impression among those already predisposed to convict. But their feelings and opinion of the case from the evidence may well be strong enough to convince any reluctant to convict.
iemanja
(53,093 posts)Largely because the testimony of all those cops was devastating.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)a trumper that may have slipped in?
Jim__
(14,090 posts)The problem is that many people will not accept that a policeman answering a call can commit a crime. I see the charges being against a policeman as the wildcard in this.
Johnny2X2X
(19,213 posts)Everyone had seen the video, the video shows clear as day a murder occurring. So you have seated jurors that only got seated because they can see a clear murder on their screen and say they aren't sure about it.
That being said, this is an easy case and the prosecution made a great case.
sarisataka
(18,839 posts)And will get a conviction.
I don't think the jury will buy the sudden-but-totally-unrelated-heart-stoppage defense. That is enough for a manslaughter conviction.
2nd degree murder requires the jury to believe there was an intent to kill. I am not nearly as confident the entire jury will see it that way, so it would be a mild surprise if they convict on that charge.
The 3rd degree being reinstated gives the jury another opportunity. They can consider that Chauvin was trying to intentionally injure Mr Floyd and death resulted, though not intended. I see this as much easier to convince the jury and expect they will vote guilty.
Whatever guilty verdict(s) ate handed down there will undoubtedly be an appeal.
Stuart G
(38,454 posts)After appeals, Chauvin will spend lots of time in jail..
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)doubt. However, it only takes on voter who refuses to accept the evidence for any reason. This would be jury nullification and cause a mistrial. So we shall see.
Toorich
(391 posts)1) Every guilty sumbitch that Project Innocence has helped free had tons of evidence that convicted them.
2) Every guilty sumbitch deserves the absolutely best defense that he can get.
3) We are Americans who believe in the " Code of the West " - Give 'em a fair trial, then hang 'em!
4) A jury, if properly selected, will usually arrive a justice.
5) When Aaron Burr was tried for treason ( conviction requires confession in open court or 2 witnesses
to an overt act) he wouldn't confess and the government could only find one witness to any act.
Justice Marshall asked the prosecutor, " Is that all you have ?" When told yes, Marshall gave the case
to the jury. They came back with a verdict that read- " Not Guilty - based on the evidence we were
allowed to consider."
6) If every guilty sumbitch doesn't get a fair trial with the best Defense possible, then none of us will.
Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)Project Innocence helps the wrongly convicted Innocent.
The police unions, the prosecutors, the judges, and the juries help free guilty cops who kill in broad daylight on camera.
https://innocenceproject.org/
Crunchy Frog
(26,694 posts)Our justice system frequently fails, especially for black people.
msfiddlestix
(7,287 posts)Job, and I really look forward to their closing statements.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)No chance Chauvin is acquitted. Small chance some rube hangs jury.